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Many have Alabama safety Landon Collins penciled in as the Redskins’ pick at No. 5 overall, assuming that the junior decides to declare for the draft. He’s a very good player but he strictly an in-the-box safety who sometimes plays more like an extra linebacker. In last night’s Sugar Bowl he stayed down a couple of times after making tackles and if he struggles with the physicality of the Buckeyes he could have issues in the NFL. Yes, the Redskins desperately need two safeties but you can’t reach for need, especially not at that point in the draft.

Countertrey wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:Sean Taylor #21 was our pick at Round 1, Pick #5

Could Landon Collins be our Round 1, Pick #5 for 2015...? I think the Oline and Dline are the greater need though.

Collins is no Taylor. He is a beast in the box, and will remind of Taylor there.. But Taylor was also dominant in coverage, as well... Collins has not shown strong skills in coverage. He is a risk that we probably should not take. If we draft from our current position, it MUST be a home run.

First off, it's very rare for a strong safety to be taken this high in the draft, but Landon Collins is not your normal strong safety. He's built like a linebacker, but has the fluidity of a corner. I have watched a lot of film on Collins recently, and a few things stick out to me. One, he is a violent tackler, who can make plays inside the box, one-on-one on the outside, or deep down the field in the passing game. When he hits a player, they go down! Two, the kid is always around the football. Alabama defensive coordinator Kirby Smart uses Collins talents in so many ways, that offenses can't scheme against him. Smart will walk Collins down to be his 8th man in the box, flex him out to cover the tight end, bring him on a blitz off the corner, or sit him back in deep coverage. It is this versatility that makes him such a unique player to NFL scouts. Finally, when Collins is back in coverage, and the ball is in the air, he makes up a lot of ground in a hurry. This is exactly what you look for in a safety prospect, and I believe his ability to do this will not limit him to simply a strong safety in the NFL. Landon Collins is the new hybrid breed that every NFL defensive coordinator covets.

riggofan wrote:Note on Collins post OSU game:

Many have Alabama safety Landon Collins penciled in as the Redskins’ pick at No. 5 overall, assuming that the junior decides to declare for the draft. He’s a very good player but he strictly an in-the-box safety who sometimes plays more like an extra linebacker. In last night’s Sugar Bowl he stayed down a couple of times after making tackles and if he struggles with the physicality of the Buckeyes he could have issues in the NFL. Yes, the Redskins desperately need two safeties but you can’t reach for need, especially not at that point in the draft.

http://realredskins.com/2015/01/02/need ... -solution/

CanesSkins26 wrote:

riggofan wrote:Note on Collins post OSU game:

Many have Alabama safety Landon Collins penciled in as the Redskins’ pick at No. 5 overall, assuming that the junior decides to declare for the draft. He’s a very good player but he strictly an in-the-box safety who sometimes plays more like an extra linebacker. In last night’s Sugar Bowl he stayed down a couple of times after making tackles and if he struggles with the physicality of the Buckeyes he could have issues in the NFL. Yes, the Redskins desperately need two safeties but you can’t reach for need, especially not at that point in the draft.

http://realredskins.com/2015/01/02/need ... -solution/

I wouldn't draft Collins at #5, but that analysis is nonsensical. Collins is a tough, physical player and the reason he stayed down a few times is because he came into the game with a shoulder injury and played through it. He also is by no means a strictly in-the-box safety and actually does have good coverage skills.

tribeofjudah wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:Sean Taylor #21 was our pick at Round 1, Pick #5

Could Landon Collins be our Round 1, Pick #5 for 2015...? I think the Oline and Dline are the greater need though.

Collins is no Taylor. He is a beast in the box, and will remind of Taylor there.. But Taylor was also dominant in coverage, as well... Collins has not shown strong skills in coverage. He is a risk that we probably should not take. If we draft from our current position, it MUST be a home run.

A case for Landon Collins:

First off, it's very rare for a strong safety to be taken this high in the draft, but Landon Collins is not your normal strong safety. He's built like a linebacker, but has the fluidity of a corner. I have watched a lot of film on Collins recently, and a few things stick out to me. One, he is a violent tackler, who can make plays inside the box, one-on-one on the outside, or deep down the field in the passing game. When he hits a player, they go down! Two, the kid is always around the football. Alabama defensive coordinator Kirby Smart uses Collins talents in so many ways, that offenses can't scheme against him. Smart will walk Collins down to be his 8th man in the box, flex him out to cover the tight end, bring him on a blitz off the corner, or sit him back in deep coverage. It is this versatility that makes him such a unique player to NFL scouts. Finally, when Collins is back in coverage, and the ball is in the air, he makes up a lot of ground in a hurry. This is exactly what you look for in a safety prospect, and I believe his ability to do this will not limit him to simply a strong safety in the NFL. Landon Collins is the new hybrid breed that every NFL defensive coordinator covets.

No one can replace Sean, but this sounds "Taylor-esque" to me

HogHeaven1983 wrote:The Redskins have the worst scouting dept in the NFL ... by a mile. Plus Dan Snyder thinks he's a scout and he gets a 1/3 vote on who we draft. Then he tells his puppet Bruce Allen (who is the dumbest GM in the NFL by an eon) and since Allen is clueless who to draft, he defers to Snyders wide-eyed six-year-old candy-store eyes wishes. Then Jay Gruden who is probably the stupidest coach in the NFL weighs in with his absurd and dull thoughts. So we end up drafting busts in rounds 1-2-3-4-5-6-7. Redskins continue to SUCK for the next several decades as this scenerio repeats itself year after year. Bottom line: Start rooting for the Seahawks or Ravens or Patriots ... anybody but this loser franchise.

Prowl33 wrote: Tell us how you really feel... lol. Dont know where this opinion of Jay comes from though. I actually like him a lot and he seems to be the only one that has his head on straight.

Prowl33 wrote:I think with the talent we have currently hes kind if limited. Often times our QBs dont have time and just arent quick enough to make a decision on those 3rd and longs so they just check down rather than go with an option up the field. Griffin is famous for this, colt wasnt much better.

Ive listened to almost every press conference Gruden has done, I like the way he talks. He does so with confidence and no hesitation. He doesnt seem to care about the opinions of the media, and seems strong willed when it cones to those above him (bruce and danny) and why not be, he got his 5 year contract.

HogHeaven1983 wrote:

Prowl33 wrote:I think with the talent we have currently hes kind if limited. Often times our QBs dont have time and just arent quick enough to make a decision on those 3rd and longs so they just check down rather than go with an option up the field. Griffin is famous for this, colt wasnt much better.

Ive listened to almost every press conference Gruden has done, I like the way he talks. He does so with confidence and no hesitation. He doesnt seem to care about the opinions of the media, and seems strong willed when it cones to those above him (bruce and danny) and why not be, he got his 5 year contract.

Just curious ... what has Gruden done on the field (in terms of gameplanning) that makes you think the Redskins have found their juggernaut coach? There is nothing I have seen from him this year that makes me think he has a brilliant offensive mind -- or even an average nfl offensive mind. The redskins have looked badly out-coached to me all season.

HogHeaven1983 wrote:

Prowl33 wrote:I think with the talent we have currently hes kind if limited. Often times our QBs dont have time and just arent quick enough to make a decision on those 3rd and longs so they just check down rather than go with an option up the field. Griffin is famous for this, colt wasnt much better.

Ive listened to almost every press conference Gruden has done, I like the way he talks. He does so with confidence and no hesitation. He doesnt seem to care about the opinions of the media, and seems strong willed when it cones to those above him (bruce and danny) and why not be, he got his 5 year contract.

Just curious ... what has Gruden done on the field (in terms of gameplanning) that makes you think the Redskins have found their juggernaut coach? There is nothing I have seen from him this year that makes me think he has a brilliant offensive mind -- or even an average nfl offensive mind. The redskins have looked badly out-coached all season.

HogHeaven1983 wrote:

Prowl33 wrote: Tell us how you really feel... lol. Dont know where this opinion of Jay comes from though. I actually like him a lot and he seems to be the only one that has his head on straight.

Gruden is just plain dumb. Just look at this face -- that tells whole story.

HogHeaven1983 wrote:

Prowl33 wrote: Tell us how you really feel... lol. Dont know where this opinion of Jay comes from though. I actually like him a lot and he seems to be the only one that has his head on straight.

Gruden is just plain dumb. Just look at this face -- that tells whole story.



Is this the face of a tower of intellect? He looks more like a petty small time criminal who has spent most of his life in and out of prison. Dull witted and uninspired -- with no thoughts in his head.

I see NO innovation on offense ... never adjusts anything at halftime ... never designs an offense to fit the skill set of his players. He is as bad as Jim Zorn. Have you guys ever seen a more inept offense ? Yes, it's 3rd and 15 ... lets call a 5 yard out pattern. Then punt. He is pathetic. So of course he was hired to a 5 year contract.

Snyder likes to hire incompetent people at key positions (like head coach and GM) so he feels smarter and more powerful. Why do you think Cerrato was GM for so many years? Snyder is a typical low-self-esteem "little man". He feels inept and emasculated by his shortness (a psychological condition called "little man complex") -- so he's always trying to "prove himself" as powerful and important. Snyder never grew up and has all the emotional and mental maturity of a 5 year old. Would you put a 5 year old in charge of a professional NFL team? No. So of course, the Redskins are doomed to failure as long as it's being run by an adolescent, immature, and spoiled rich little 5 year old boy.

Go watch that movie "Foxcatcher" about another rich "little man" with low self esteem ... and you will see the Dan Snyder dynamic perfectly captured.

5 Washington
Randy Gregory
Nebraska
OLB34
Reach/Value: +0 Height:
6'5"
Weight:
255 Alternate Pick #1
Vic Beasley
Alternate Pick #2
Dante Fowler Jr
Randy Gregory is an athletic freak as an outside linebacker. Since he is a lanky 6'6", many scouts believe he can add up to 40 pounds to his current playing weight of 245 lbs. Gregory was slowed in the national spotlight against USC (Holiday Bowl), but the Trojans had three (THREE!) offensive players assigned to Gregory on each play. If an NFL offense is going to need that much help stopping Gregory's lightning-quick first step and uncanny awareness, then Ryan Kerrigan will feast on single blocks in 2015 and beyond