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Right decision I think, but man, what a shame
Would I make the trade over again? Yes.

If Gruden didn't make a change at QB he might have had a mutiny. It's pretty obvious RGIII is "lost". He has no confidence; look at his eyes; he looks sullen; has been all year. Now the key issue will be if Dan the Small Man realizes he needs to COMPLETELY REMOVE HIMSELF from the football decisions. If he does then we might have a chance to improve. If he doesn't and continues to act like a spoiled fan then we will see this franchise decline to the level of the Oakland Raiders.

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Why not Colt? We won 3 Super Bowls with 3 different QBs........so why not Colt?

So Bob got Shanahan fired? So he thought he could usurp Jay too......? Nope, you go be the bench warmer Bob. Toughen you right up...we hope. Ya ain't winning games, you go to the bench.

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StorminMormon86 wrote:

(d)oink wrote:I am surprised -even here- to find an opinion of being "impressed" by Gruden's handling of the QB situation. He has made it far worse than it needed to be. RGIII has played poorly but Gruden has been beyond poor in his handling of the situation.

How has he been beyond poor? He spelled it out in his presser: if you don't play well, you lose your job. Griffin hasn't played well over 3 games therefore he lost his job. And McCoy never really did anything to lose the job in the first place, therefore he's starting again.

His well known public criticism of his QB for one.

Jay is only saying what millions of people are saying (in their heads)....LOL

Hip Hip Hooray.........for Jay

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Irn-Bru wrote:I just listened to Gruden's Q&A, and it sounds like that was a big part of his reasoning. "We're looking for answers on offense," "hopefully Colt gives us a spark," etc. It sounds like he's sending the right message to the team to me. Frankly, I've been very impressed with Gruden's handling of what is one of the hottest potatoes in all of professional sports: the Redskins' quarterback position.

I am surprised -even here- to find an opinion of being "impressed" by Gruden's handling of the QB situation. He has made it far worse than it needed to be. RGIII has played poorly but Gruden has been beyond poor in his handling of the situation.

Uh, dude, Brian Mitchell — known as an opinionated commentor and often critical of the Redskins — has praised Gruden for how he's been handling the team and specifically the quarterback situation. You may need to get out more if you haven't heard anyone else point out that Gruden is doing a good job.

I agree FFA - I like the way Gruden is coming across to the media/fans and the players

this franchise needs to understand that Gruden is in charge & despite what the media & some fans think he's going to run things his way

I also think it's key that he's making RG3 the #2 for this week and stating that RG3 is a part of the franchise's plans for the future

StorminMormon86 wrote:I don't understand why Griffin is #2 on the depth chart. Do we really want a QB who's been that ineffective to play if McCoy gets injured?

I don't have any problem with it. Griffin has been getting all of the first team reps the past few weeks, not sure how much preparation Cousins would have been getting.

Whether you believe it or not, they've been saying Griffin is still part of the team's plans. If that's the case (or even if you just want to create that perception), seems like he should be the #2.

Irn-Bru wrote:

(d)oink wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I just listened to Gruden's Q&A, and it sounds like that was a big part of his reasoning. "We're looking for answers on offense," "hopefully Colt gives us a spark," etc. It sounds like he's sending the right message to the team to me. Frankly, I've been very impressed with Gruden's handling of what is one of the hottest potatoes in all of professional sports: the Redskins' quarterback position.

I am surprised -even here- to find an opinion of being "impressed" by Gruden's handling of the QB situation. He has made it far worse than it needed to be. RGIII has played poorly but Gruden has been beyond poor in his handling of the situation.

Uh, dude, Brian Mitchell — known as an opinionated commentor and often critical of the Redskins — has praised Gruden for how he's been handling the team and specifically the quarterback situation. You may need to get out more if you haven't heard anyone else point out that Gruden is doing a good job.

I'm just wondering what the comparison is. Shanahan got completely steamrolled by that QB last year. I don't know if Griffin is part of Gruden's long term plan or not, but I think Gruden has made it clear this is his team.

Last year Dan the Small Man coddled RGIII and castrated Shanahan. Can't do that this year.

If rg3 goes to dullass and brings rings to them behind their beast oline.. ill lose my *sh$t*.
Jerruh already released an article supporting him and recalls the Turkey day beat down of 2012...

I know redskins nation is hungry for Ws, and rightfully so.. I was amoung a small minority supporting the McCoy signing this off-season, but to put all our eggs in THAT basket is just as nuts as trying to fix Griffin imo. McCoy might be Brady- but has NEVER shown that he has the skills. Robert otoh has.. but sadly is far from his tearing it up ways of the past.

I guess SJ and I are amoung the few who are actually sad to see reports of rg3 leaving this off-season. . I for one reserve hope that he can be coached up. What a waste.. what a shame.

McCoy is someone I can root for too- guy looks like Rory Mcilroy and is a Mc like myself... the line still has me skeptical, especially if Trent doesn't magically return to protect him.

Idk.. this damn team is let down after let down.. hopefully who ever is behind center can take the broom to dullass- at least

^^^^^

The only "skills" Griffin has were displayed in a Baylor-For-The-NFL offense that Kyle Shanahan designed for Griffin specifically. That ship has sailed.

^ it was fun, tho, wasnt it?
Winning streaks.. breaking records.. being feared.. sweeping the pukes.. PLAYOFFS!!!
Being relevant again...

His playing skills were also highlight reel ready at Baylor- obviously. Colt didnt even have the gimmick year in CLE, and quite frankly has never been "The Dude". Maybe thats going to change.

I HOPE he does well.. and I think he will have bits of "good".. with his sack rate at 12% to roberts 17% - but having TW insyead of a rook and vs a much softer dullass D as opposed to SF and Minny.. I dont see the qb play getting drastically better with a Cleveland retread behind center.

Maybe I just need a hug lmmfao

GoSkins wrote:Last year Dan the Small Man coddled RGIII and castrated Shanahan. Can't do that this year.

There it is.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I know redskins nation is hungry for Ws, and rightfully so.. I was amoung a small minority supporting the McCoy signing this off-season, but to put all our eggs in THAT basket is just as nuts as trying to fix Griffin imo.

Man, I hope nobody is putting any eggs into that basket. I would love to be surprised by McCoy but I'm not overly optimistic about him by any stretch. If he proves to be a guy who can just be "ok" while we get the rest of this mess straightened out, I'd actually be happy with that.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I guess SJ and I are amoung the few who are actually sad to see reports of rg3 leaving this off-season.

I am massively disappointed, my friend. And I feel bad for Robert about how this is going down. If you went back through this forum, you'd see I've been 100% behind RGIII... right up until the Bucs game. He just lost me there finally.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:McCoy is someone I can root for too- guy looks like Rory Mcilroy and is a Mc like myself... the line still has me skeptical, especially if Trent doesn't magically return to protect him.

That's cool. I think for 99% of the fans we're going to support whoever is at QB once the game starts.

I like the fact that the club has sat RG3 down this week, althought i dont believe that Colt is the awnser to anything , RG3 has just looked terrible most of the last 2 years. I would like to win a game again this year and i dont think RG3 can win in the NFL at right now. What I will say and most of you more than likely noticed, when this team concentrates on running the ball as they did Sunday, we can remain in most football games. Some where along the line they got away from Redskin football.

Irn-Bru wrote:

(d)oink wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I just listened to Gruden's Q&A, and it sounds like that was a big part of his reasoning. "We're looking for answers on offense," "hopefully Colt gives us a spark," etc. It sounds like he's sending the right message to the team to me. Frankly, I've been very impressed with Gruden's handling of what is one of the hottest potatoes in all of professional sports: the Redskins' quarterback position.

I am surprised -even here- to find an opinion of being "impressed" by Gruden's handling of the QB situation. He has made it far worse than it needed to be. RGIII has played poorly but Gruden has been beyond poor in his handling of the situation.

Uh, dude, Brian Mitchell — known as an opinionated commentor and often critical of the Redskins — has praised Gruden for how he's been handling the team and specifically the quarterback situation. You may need to get out more if you haven't heard anyone else point out that Gruden is doing a good job.

Ok. B. Mitchell said Gruden's doing a good job. Case closed.

Gruden has made some tough decisions. I admire that. I wish him nothing but the best. I hope he is the answer at the head coaching position. But I don't see how someone can say he hasn't added to the chaos around the team. I get it-- He's a rookie head coach. There are bound to be growing pains. There have been mistakes. There are certainly some veteran head coaches in the league who would have handled this situation differently if only keeping quiet regarding his public critique of Roberts poor individual performance.

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Irn-Bru wrote:Uh, dude, Brian Mitchell — known as an opinionated commentor and often critical of the Redskins — has praised Gruden for how he's been handling the team and specifically the quarterback situation. You may need to get out more if you haven't heard anyone else point out that Gruden is doing a good job.

Ok. B. Mitchell said Gruden's doing a good job. Case closed.

No, that's not my point.

You said that you were surprised to find anyone, even among the most optimistic fans, saying that Gruden is doing a good job handling a sticky situation. You seem to think that opinion is so obviously wrong that no one would assert it. I'm just pointing out that there are many people, even among vocal critics, who are saying that Gruden is handling things well.

Does that prove that Gruden is in fact doing a great job? No. But it does prove that you were wrong, which is all I wanted to do.

I know there are a few people on this board absolutely delighted with the benching of RG3. That's a really bad viewpoint to have, imho, because what it means overall from a franchise perspective.

I personally think the benching was due as RG3 was abysmal the past few games, but that still doesn't mean I'm happy about how this whole situation did not work out.

Because essentially our options are now a career backup QB who couldn't cut it in quarterback starved Cleveland, or a former 4th round pick who falls completely apart in crunchtime and was leading the NFL in turnovers while he started. Is anyone convinced they will be the QBs to lead us in the future? Because if you are, you're wearing rose tinted glasses when you gaze at them with your loving eyes.

Realize that with RG3 not working out, we are now starting all over from ground zero at the QB position. Can you not recall this is where we usually are, and how it's never, ever worked out?

We're back on the rotating QB carousel of: old cast off vet QBs like Tony Banks, Jeff George, Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman; young QBs who don't pan out like Pat Ramsey or Jason Campbell; or the complete shot in the darks like Danny Wuerffle, Shane Matthews, John Beck.

This is a total mess. And for the first time in a few years, I have no hope that this team is going to be anything more than it has been. One of the joke franchises in the NFL.

^ im reserving hope that he can develop and that his run is yet to be concluded. . The realist in me knows that its a long shot for him to ever be successful in burgundy and gold- and thats just hard to swallow. Like everything you posted its sadder for the franchise then just my love for rg3. Back to the carousel- that has NEVER worked. AND the biggest draft trade disaster of all time.
Now we are at the raiders level of suckass, but worse since Carr seems promising.

Giving up on rg3 is essentially admitting we are the laughing stock of the NFL and doomed to mediocrity.

I agree the benching was necessary, but agian I reserve some hope that he bounces back stronger and uses this as motivation instead of his downfall.

It is what it is........

"we got a lemon"
"there's a QB recall...........they want Bob back for defective parts?"

PulpExposure wrote:I know there are a few people on this board absolutely delighted with the benching of RG3. That's a really bad viewpoint to have, imho, because what it means overall from a franchise perspective.

I personally think the benching was due as RG3 was abysmal the past few games, but that still doesn't mean I'm happy about how this whole situation did not work out.

Because essentially our options are now a career backup QB who couldn't cut it in quarterback starved Cleveland, or a former 4th round pick who falls completely apart in crunchtime and was leading the NFL in turnovers while he started. Is anyone convinced they will be the QBs to lead us in the future? Because if you are, you're wearing rose tinted glasses when you gaze at them with your loving eyes.

Realize that with RG3 not working out, we are now starting all over from ground zero at the QB position. Can you not recall this is where we usually are, and how it's never, ever worked out?

We're back on the rotating QB carousel of: old cast off vet QBs like Tony Banks, Jeff George, Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman; young QBs who don't pan out like Pat Ramsey or Jason Campbell; or the complete shot in the darks like Danny Wuerffle, Shane Matthews, John Beck.

This is a total mess. And for the first time in a few years, I have no hope that this team is going to be anything more than it has been. One of the joke franchises in the NFL.

I respectfully disagree. I think the Griffin benching signals two positive things. One, even Daniel Snyder recognizes Griffin is a bust and it's time to move on and two, Gruden gets a chance to run the team now. There may be a third positive from this if the Skins spend the next couple of drafts improving the defense up and expect less from the QB position.

Irn-Bru wrote:

(d)oink wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Uh, dude, Brian Mitchell — known as an opinionated commentor and often critical of the Redskins — has praised Gruden for how he's been handling the team and specifically the quarterback situation. You may need to get out more if you haven't heard anyone else point out that Gruden is doing a good job.

Ok. B. Mitchell said Gruden's doing a good job. Case closed.

No, that's not my point.

You said that you were surprised to find anyone, even among the most optimistic fans, saying that Gruden is doing a good job handling a sticky situation. You seem to think that opinion is so obviously wrong that no one would assert it. I'm just pointing out that there are many people, even among vocal critics, who are saying that Gruden is handling things well.

Does that prove that Gruden is in fact doing a great job? No. But it does prove that you were wrong, which is all I wanted to do.

I thought we were debating whether Gruden has done a good job or not regarding the quarterback situation, not the fact that there is the possibility of at least one human being on the planet who has stated that he is. I suck at this.

There's few thoughts I want to share

Gruden has handled this well and been very fair.

Gruden is clearly making the decisions here.

If in fact RG3 cannot play another down this franchise is in a lot of trouble going forward

There are a number of fans here that are astute enough to recognize this for what it really is

Dan Snyder made the decision to give up the picks and as we've recently learned that trade was a HUGE risk and another bad mistake

I fully supported the trade at the time but I did not understand as apparently Mike S and others did that the risk was not worth it

if RG3 is not playing QB here next season and that looks like being the case - we're in a world of trouble

Dan Snyder has truly ruined this franchise and his mistakes and interfering are continuing to hurt this franchise

SkinsJock wrote:There's few thoughts I want to share

Gruden has handled this well and been very fair.

Gruden is clearly making the decisions here.

If in fact RG3 cannot play another down this franchise is in a lot of trouble going forward

There are a number of fans here that are astute enough to recognize this for what it really is

Dan Snyder made the decision to give up the picks and as we've recently learned that trade was a HUGE risk and another bad mistake

I fully supported the trade at the time but I did not understand as apparently Mike S and others did that the risk was not worth it

if RG3 is not playing QB here next season and that looks like being the case - we're in a world of trouble

Dan Snyder has truly ruined this franchise and his mistakes and interfering are continuing to hurt this franchise

IMO it is far from clear who is making any decision in the organization.

Also you state there are a number of fans who see this for what it is. What is it? Not sure what you're getting at there and would like your take.