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It's not too early for the team but it's kind of silly here because we have enough to look at and consider ...

btw - if the next draft is managed by the same people that brought in RG3, we're in a world of trouble ...

It's now been revealed that Snyder and GM Bruce Allen made the decision to trade up with the Rams against Mike Shanahan's objections

it's also a fact that in that draft we we're the #6 pick - we could be there again with the same guys in control and the same 'ammunition'

they could make an even bigger mistake by drafting to the #1 spot as the current franchise at that position is looking to trade out

now that will be a lot of fun to consider ... can you imagine Dan Snyder thinking that he could pull this off twice

there's no way ANY franchise wants the FSU QB - that guy is a coach killer - but when you have Dumb and Dumber 2 in play

A QB in next draft? Not only NO, hell NO. The current QBs may never become superstars but I think any of the 3 could become an adequate QB with some support from an improved line and being coached up by Gruden and his staff. I remember this is the hand that worked for Joe Gibbs coached teams.

SKINS#1 wrote:A QB in next draft? Not only NO, hell NO. The current QBs may never become superstars but I think any of the 3 could become an adequate QB with some support from an improved line and being coached up by Gruden and his staff. I remember this is the hand that worked for Joe Gibbs coached teams.

you CLEARLY do not understand - Bruce Allen and Snyder are in charge here - now Allen may lose his job (he should) but the fact remains that Snyder is still 'involved' - until that little twit stops interfering and hires a GM and gets away from all things to do with the players and the coaching, we are not going to have a real plan for success here

if Snyder is a part of the NFL draft in 2015, it really does not matter who we draft - there is no plan

Dan Snyder's plan for this franchise is to maximize $ - that's it - there is no plan

SkinsJock wrote:
there's no way ANY franchise wants the FSU QB - that guy is a coach killer - but when you have Dumb and Dumber 2 in play

Yep you have been brainwashed by ESPN.....the Fsu Qb is the best qb in the draft....mariota will be another rg3 in the making....Jamies is the best pocket qb in the draft.....how is he a coach killer?

If Winston is the first QB taken in the draft it means that GMs across the league do not care that this FSU QB does not and will not accept responsibility - he's an accident looking for a place to happen

that's not even worth discussing and you cannot really think, after all that has happened here, Dan Snyder is going to take Winston

are you by chance a FSU fan?

I wouldn't want Winston for one reason: if you thought the media was tough on Griffin, you're in for a rude awakening.

funsho2 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:there's no way ANY franchise wants the FSU QB ...

Yep you have been brainwashed by ESPN.....the Fsu Qb is the best qb in the draft....mariota will be another rg3 in the making....Jamies is the best pocket qb in the draft.....how is he a coach killer?

OK - thought I'd watch "the best pocket QB in the draft ..." oh boy -

3 INTs in the first qtr - are you family or something?

No. Do NOT draft a QB with the first round pick. Draft Ol, then DL, then OL. Grind the opponents into dust. Just for the pure evil pleasure of having 30 first downs and about 45 minutes time of possession. Just for the gory (not so much the glory) of getting the ball with ten minutes to play and a 10 point lead, and knowing that the other guys won't get the ball back.

I have no problem with "looking for a QB in the next draft" if you mean looking in the late rounds for someone who might have potential but who would be holding a clipboard for at least 2-3 years. But in Washington "looking for a QB in the next draft" usually means using a first round pick on the next savior of the franchise.

The Skins should invest in the defense and OL in this draft and the next before worrying about drafting a QB. Maybe McCoy or Cousins can develop into a quality starter. I haven't McCoy play much I haven't formed an opinion, Cousins would be a decent QB if he reduced his picks. Improve the OL and defense and see we are in a couple of years.

welch wrote:No. Do NOT draft a QB with the first round pick. Draft Ol, then DL, then OL. Grind the opponents into dust. Just for the pure evil pleasure of having 30 first downs and about 45 minutes time of possession. Just for the gory (not so much the glory) of getting the ball with ten minutes to play and a 10 point lead, and knowing that the other guys won't get the ball back.

Oh, I wish. There are few here who recall what that looks like... and probably think such play is a myth... but, I remember, and I agree.

we have to get as many draft picks as we can and draft OL and DL and DBs and ... and we need to do that for 4 or 5 years

then we can find a QB .. until then we're not doing squat except HOPEFULLY winning the off season title

Countertrey wrote:

welch wrote:No. Do NOT draft a QB with the first round pick. Draft Ol, then DL, then OL. Grind the opponents into dust. Just for the pure evil pleasure of having 30 first downs and about 45 minutes time of possession. Just for the gory (not so much the glory) of getting the ball with ten minutes to play and a 10 point lead, and knowing that the other guys won't get the ball back.

Oh, I wish. There are few here who recall what that looks like... and probably think such play is a myth... but, I remember, and I agree.

For those that doubt: the playoffs leading to SB 17.

Also the teach-em-a-lesson factor. Saw the replay in which a Colts DB is brushed from behind, looks for Desean Jackson, and purposely hits Jackson just below the knee. Next play would have been Riggins sweep toward that DB's side. Even if a blocker had already hit the Colt, Riggins would have turned to run directly over the guy. Hit CB's so many times that they didn't seem as eager to play close to the line.

before we get to the draft we will hopefully not let the same 2 guys who made the trade in 2012 also be in charge of this draft

SkinsJock wrote:

funsho2 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:there's no way ANY franchise wants the FSU QB ...

Yep you have been brainwashed by ESPN.....the Fsu Qb is the best qb in the draft....mariota will be another rg3 in the making....Jamies is the best pocket qb in the draft.....how is he a coach killer?

OK - thought I'd watch "the best pocket QB in the draft ..." oh boy -

3 INTs in the first qtr - are you family or something?

Yep....like peyton manning never threw 4ints or more in a game before

We not fam....mariota will probably the first qb taken.....so we are left with winston....which to me is the best pocket passing qb in college right now....

StorminMormon86 wrote:I wouldn't want Winston for one reason: if you thought the media was tough on Griffin, you're in for a rude awakening.

I think with gruden as coach....he keeps his qb in their place....he doesn't let any player feel they are bigger than the team...he lets them know who is the boss here.....RG3 learnt his place after last week.... ...

Remember a guy named Rodgers up in GB? He sat behind some guy named Favre for a few years: learning and watching and observing.

BUT OH WELL........... ain't gonna happen now for BobGee3

welch wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

welch wrote:No. Do NOT draft a QB with the first round pick. Draft Ol, then DL, then OL. Grind the opponents into dust. Just for the pure evil pleasure of having 30 first downs and about 45 minutes time of possession. Just for the gory (not so much the glory) of getting the ball with ten minutes to play and a 10 point lead, and knowing that the other guys won't get the ball back.

Oh, I wish. There are few here who recall what that looks like... and probably think such play is a myth... but, I remember, and I agree.

For those that doubt: the playoffs leading to SB 17.

Also the teach-em-a-lesson factor. Saw the replay in which a Colts DB is brushed from behind, looks for Desean Jackson, and purposely hits Jackson just below the knee. Next play would have been Riggins sweep toward that DB's side. Even if a blocker had already hit the Colt, Riggins would have turned to run directly over the guy. Hit CB's so many times that they didn't seem as eager to play close to the line.

While I personally prefer the older style of play, I'm afraid that rule changes and the modern game simply don't allow for that to be a sustainable strategy long-term. The game is too specialized and geared toward passing offenses. Run-dominated strategies simply can't keep pace.

I agree with those who want Ol and not to draft a QB again. We have sufficient skill position players. We need the Ol and DL.

If you look at what TTit has done this season. They have improved mainly because they now have a good OL. What a difference.

Rule changes or not we need a good OL regardless. We already have a pro bowl left tackle. All the rest or the positions need to be upgraded especially right tackle. We need at least one more solid guard and tackle. Depth can come later but we need starters first.

A nice nose tackle or would be nice as well. We have plenty of LB talent. Also our secondary just needs to be coached up and Haslett has to go. He just keeps proving game after game that he sucks.

I'd have no problem taking o-line with the first pick. I think what I'd really like to see though is the most insanely talented guy we can get on defense. It doesn't seem like we've had one of those playmakers on D in a long, long time. Somebody who can put some fear into opposing offenses and the team can get behind. I don't know if that guy is in the draft this year, but that's what I'd like to see. JJ Watt was the 11th pick in his draft class.

QB is always going to be the most important position. If Gruden sees somebody he likes in the second or third round who isn't expected to play right away, I would be ok with that. (He took Dalton in the second.) Its not a horrible approach. The problem is that this is DC, and you know it would only be three or four games before everybody is yelling for the rookie to start playing before he's truly ready and it ends up being a wasted pick. Catch-22.

Snout wrote:I have no problem with "looking for a QB in the next draft" if you mean looking in the late rounds for someone who might have potential but who would be holding a clipboard for at least 2-3 years. But in Washington "looking for a QB in the next draft" usually means using a first round pick on the next savior of the franchise.

I honestly think that is what it means for most teams. Because the QB position is so important, teams take anyone with even a remote possibility of success in round 1. If we want a QB (which I wouldn't recommend for this upcoming draft), the best chance of success is taking someone in round 1. The only problem is that the skins GM (ie, Snyder) is just horrible and can't pick a QB to save his life ---- see Ramsey, Campbell, and RGIII.

The overwhelming majority of non-bubble starting QBs were taken with one of the first 36 picks in the NFL draft:
- ATL Ryan
- AZ Palmer
- BAL Flacco
- CAR Newton
- CHI Culter
- CIN Dalton
- DEN Manning
- DET Stafford
- GB Rodgers
- IND Luck
- JCK Bortles
- MIA Tannehill
- NOL Brees
- SF Kaepernick
- KC Smith
- NYG Manning
- PIT Roeth
- SD Rivers

Only
- Brady (2000, 6th round),
- Foles (2012, 3rd round),
- Romo (2003, undrafted),
- Wilson (2012 3rd), and
weren't taken with a top 36 pick. and 2 of them (Brady, Romo) were drafted (or in Romo's case, signed) over a decade ago, at a time when the QB position was vastly different in terms of drafting. So really, you are only looking at Foles and Wilson --- which both have incredible supporting casts (which the Redskins don't).

markshark84 wrote:

Snout wrote:I have no problem with "looking for a QB in the next draft" if you mean looking in the late rounds for someone who might have potential but who would be holding a clipboard for at least 2-3 years. But in Washington "looking for a QB in the next draft" usually means using a first round pick on the next savior of the franchise.

I honestly think that is what it means for most teams. Because the QB position is so important, teams take anyone with even a remote possibility of success in round 1.

That's a good point and you sure did back it up.

funsho2 wrote:Marriota and Winston are the two most talk about.....but I really think winston is better....and the media is just overblowing his issue. Trade rg3 to the raiders ....cousins to the titans....start this over.

NO WAY can I believe we would bring Winston here - NO WAY

SkinsJock wrote:

funsho2 wrote:Marriota and Winston are the two most talk about.....but I really think winston is better....and the media is just overblowing his issue. Trade rg3 to the raiders ....cousins to the titans....start this over.

NO WAY can I believe we would bring Winston here - NO WAY

I cannot believe anybody would actually suggest that guy. Blows my mind.

Call me crazy but I'm beginning to think QB is the least of our problems.

I have this overwhelmingly horrible feeling that if Dan Snyder traded all assets outside the front office and coaching staff with any of EAG, PAC, 49R, SEA, PAT, PIT, or RAV (feel free to add to this list), in 3 years the staff with our guys would be winning while our staff with their guys would be watching ...