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PAIN.

welch wrote:Too early to guess a result. We'll know more about this year's team after the first real game.

The point of the thread is to guess a result for the first real game.

Deadskins wrote:

welch wrote:Too early to guess a result. We'll know more about this year's team after the first real game.

The point of the thread is to guess a result for the first real game.

OK, his method may not be insightful, but he will get the right answer...

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

welch wrote:Too early to guess a result. We'll know more about this year's team after the first real game.

The point of the thread is to guess a result for the first real game.

OK, his method may not be insightful, but he will get the right answer...

lol. You both are killing me this morning.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

welch wrote:Too early to guess a result. We'll know more about this year's team after the first real game.

The point of the thread is to guess a result for the first real game.

OK, his method may not be insightful, but he will get the right answer...

Per Gruden:

"It’s going to be very important for him to get the ball out of his hands. The longer he pats the ball back there and gives those great pass rushers in Houston or Dallas or New York or Philadelphia – any pass rushers, for that matter – time to get after him, it’s not going to be good. So the whole intent of this offense is when we do pass it, we know where our quick elements are, we get the ball to our players out in space and let them do the work for him."

Makes me think there are going to be a ton of screens and slants called on Sunday.

I predict a close game and one that will not go our way. Their defense is a lot better than our offense right now and our defense is a little better than their offense. Remember, they have some playmakers on the offensive side of the ball. Our back end will be exposed.

Houston 17
Redskins 10

It's funny that people keep saying our offense is "behind" when we haven't seen one thing our offense is really going to be doing, or that RG did, in fact move the ball halfway decently. But, ok.

I'm reserving judgment until gametime, but it's not like people shouldn't have cause for concern or skepticism...we were a 3-13 team last year AND our first string offense failed to score a touchdown in all four preseason games. Yes it was preseason and yes it was vanilla play calling, but still. It's ok to admit they weren't that good (in the preseason). But I'm still hopeful that we'll be able to put together some nice drives. I still expect a very close, low scoring game. Unless of course good Ryan Fitzpatrick shows up. Then we're kind of screwed.

Starters didnt play the 4th game.
and moved the ball just fine but made dumb mistakez.
2 first and goals and a hand down ob before both feet could have very well been 3 tds..

I think we will see a first quarter very similar to what Seattle is running right now.
Notice Wilson isnt being asked to do a whole whole lot and he is just geting the ball to his play makers.

Take notes Gruden

Wilson has had a lot of help in making the transition ... that release time was awesome - Griffin is just beginning the process ...

we will see Griffin becoming more comfortable as time goes on - he's a better athlete than Wilson, he needs some time to show that he's a better QB and leader

Not saying that Griffin will become a better QB than Wilson but let's give him time to become as good as he can be



this will be a tough start but I really think that we will see a better game from our offense than many believe ...

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Starters didnt play the 4th game.
and moved the ball just fine but made dumb mistakez.
2 first and goals and a hand down ob before both feet could have very well been 3 tds..

Yeah the whole "our first team offense didn't score a TD in the preseason" thing is pretty meaningless to me. We had that first and goal from the 1 yd line where Gruden tried to pound it in on the ground four straight plays and didn't get in. Would it have made some huge difference if he'd called an RGIII bootleg and we scored the TD instead?

riggofan wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Starters didnt play the 4th game.
and moved the ball just fine but made dumb mistakez.
2 first and goals and a hand down ob before both feet could have very well been 3 tds..

Yeah the whole "our first team offense didn't score a TD in the preseason" thing is pretty meaningless to me. We had that first and goal from the 1 yd line where Gruden tried to pound it in on the ground four straight plays and didn't get in. Would it have made some huge difference if he'd called an RGIII bootleg and we scored the TD instead?

Agree with everything but the highlighted portion.

Deadskins wrote:

riggofan wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Starters didnt play the 4th game.
and moved the ball just fine but made dumb mistakez.
2 first and goals and a hand down ob before both feet could have very well been 3 tds..

Yeah the whole "our first team offense didn't score a TD in the preseason" thing is pretty meaningless to me. We had that first and goal from the 1 yd line where Gruden tried to pound it in on the ground four straight plays and didn't get in. Would it have made some huge difference if he'd called an RGIII bootleg and we scored the TD instead?

Agree with everything but the highlighted portion.

hah. If only the refs had agreed, everybody would be feeling so much better about our offense this week!!!

hah. If only the refs had agreed, everybody would be feeling so much better about our offense this week!!![/quote]


I doubt it, people always find something to bitch about. I can only imagine a board like this in 91 when we lost every preseason game and the starters played like five minutes total.

HogHeaven1983 wrote:I sure hope (and would love it if) I am wrong ...

Houston 27
Washington 20

Redskins D plays pretty good but 3 turnovers by RG3 (2 ints and 1 fumble) lead to 17 Houston points and the skins lose a close one.

Hey new guy, lie if you have to but in your future predictions can you please always have us winning? I'm not in the mood for your "realistic" crap.
With that said I have our REDSKINS getting the victory (no surprise right?).

REDSKINS- 24
texans- 16

Morris has 2 TDs and runs for 120-125 yards. Reed has 1 TD and 88 yards. Garcon gets 11 catches for 130 yards and DJax gets 8 catches for 86 yards. Also, DJax scores a TD that was called back for holding... on Helu.

Truth.

I couldn't be bothered with the "Is the Houston Game a Must Win" thread. Obviously the first game isn't really a "must win". You can lose week one and still win your next fifteen games and go to the super bowl.

I do think its a really big game though. Just coming off the terrible 2013 season, not being especially impressive through the pre-season. Getting a win this weekend would really take a lot of the pressure off RGIII. I always want to win of course, but I'm really hoping the team starts off strong this weekend and takes this first game.

chiefhog44 wrote:I predict a close game and one that will not go our way. Their defense is a lot better than our offense right now and our defense is a little better than their offense. Remember, they have some playmakers on the offensive side of the ball. Our back end will be exposed.

Houston 17
Redskins 10

This is reasonable and defensible but a bad day at Chez Griff is better than almost anything Fitz will serve up ... I think.

I think we can expose our back end and all Fitz will be able to to is drool.

DarthMonk wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:I predict a close game and one that will not go our way. Their defense is a lot better than our offense right now and our defense is a little better than their offense. Remember, they have some playmakers on the offensive side of the ball. Our back end will be exposed.

Houston 17
Redskins 10

This is reasonable and defensible but a bad day at Chez Griff is better than almost anything Fitz will serve up ... I think.

I'm thinking you're right on that. Houston just traded for Ryan Mallett. Not thinking they have a ton of confidence in Fitz.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

welch wrote:Too early to guess a result. We'll know more about this year's team after the first real game.

The point of the thread is to guess a result for the first real game.

OK, his method may not be insightful, but he will get the right answer...

Right. It's much easier to predict the past than the future

SkinsJock wrote:Wilson has had a lot of help in making the transition ... that release time was awesome - Griffin is just beginning the process ...

we will see Griffin becoming more comfortable as time goes on - he's a better athlete than Wilson, he needs some time to show that he's a better QB and leader

Not saying that Griffin will become a better QB than Wilson but let's give him time to become as good as he can be



this will be a tough start but I really think that we will see a better game from our offense than many believe ...

100% agree that RGIII is a better athelete than Wilson --- and it isn't close. That being said, RGIII isn't even in the same ballpark as Wilson when it comes to maturity, poise, patience, and leadership by example. Those are the qualities that make Wilson a "special" QB, IMHO; not his athletic capabilities.

And Wilson has had help in the transition, but so has RGIII. I don't think Wilson has had more "help". The major advantage Wilson has had in his transition is 2 consecutive healthy seasons....... Which proves another advantage for Wilson ---- he knows how to avoid contact and/or slide.

RGIII needs to learn how to play more like Wilson. If he can come close to avoiding contact in a similar fashion to Wilson, he will have a good season. I truly believe that.

markshark84 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Wilson has had a lot of help in making the transition ... that release time was awesome - Griffin is just beginning the process ...

we will see Griffin becoming more comfortable as time goes on - he's a better athlete than Wilson, he needs some time to show that he's a better QB and leader

Not saying that Griffin will become a better QB than Wilson but let's give him time to become as good as he can be



this will be a tough start but I really think that we will see a better game from our offense than many believe ...

100% agree that RGIII is a better athelete than Wilson --- and it isn't close. That being said, RGIII isn't even in the same ballpark as Wilson when it comes to maturity, poise, patience, and leadership by example. Those are the qualities that make Wilson a "special" QB, IMHO; not his athletic capabilities.

And Wilson has had help in the transition, but so has RGIII. I don't think Wilson has had more "help". The major advantage Wilson has had in his transition is 2 consecutive healthy seasons....... Which proves another advantage for Wilson ---- he knows how to avoid contact and/or slide.

RGIII needs to learn how to play more like Wilson. If he can come close to avoiding contact in a similar fashion to Wilson, he will have a good season. I truly believe that.

I hear your points. . But id like to raise it... had griff had that D where would we have gone? MUCH less has been asked of Wilson his entire career.. last night was bubble screens and short passes, he didnt even break 200 yards but got the W. I cant picture one game last year that RGiii puts those numbers up and it being enough to win. I like Wilson, but hes had a much better TEAM around him to become who he is- which still isnt a great passer.

He gets down, ob, and throwes the ball away much better then Griff has- but in the past Griff had to go all out to have a chance. Remember the 4th down play vs nyg? Both of them? Then the should be td to moss? Followed by a crappy D failing him.

markshark84 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Wilson has had a lot of help in making the transition ... that release time was awesome - Griffin is just beginning the process ...

we will see Griffin becoming more comfortable as time goes on - he's a better athlete than Wilson, he needs some time to show that he's a better QB and leader

Not saying that Griffin will become a better QB than Wilson but let's give him time to become as good as he can be



this will be a tough start but I really think that we will see a better game from our offense than many believe ...

100% agree that RGIII is a better athelete than Wilson --- and it isn't close. That being said, RGIII isn't even in the same ballpark as Wilson when it comes to maturity, poise, patience, and leadership by example. Those are the qualities that make Wilson a "special" QB, IMHO; not his athletic capabilities.

And Wilson has had help in the transition, but so has RGIII. I don't think Wilson has had more "help". The major advantage Wilson has had in his transition is 2 consecutive healthy seasons....... Which proves another advantage for Wilson ---- he knows how to avoid contact and/or slide.

RGIII needs to learn how to play more like Wilson. If he can come close to avoiding contact in a similar fashion to Wilson, he will have a good season. I truly believe that.

Griff does need to learn to play more like Wilson. I'd like to point out other major and, perhaps, bigger advantages Wilson has had in transition:



and



Frankly, I'm jealous.

PS - I guess crazyhorse1 was just being crazyhorse1 when he said we should save the picks and draft Wilson.

C'mon, Griff. C'mon, 'Skins. Step up. I'm pulling for you.

Wilson benefitted from being better prepared to play in the NFL by his coaches when he started in 2012

Griffin has only just started to get the proper preparation and coaching for the NFL - let's see where he's at September of 2016

he could be even better than Wilson is at this time

SkinsJock wrote:In 2013 Texans were ranked 7 in total D - 3 against the pass and 25 against the run - they managed only 2 wins with Watt & Cushing

the Texans were 31 in scoring offense and the Redskins were 31 in scoring defense

they have not gotten a lot better offensively and I believe we have improved our defense

this is a case where the team with the better play from the QB wins the game

As far as HOU's D, Cushing was hurt for most of last season. And the Texans were KILLED by injuries last year. Defensively Cushing, Manning, Joseph, and Reed were placed on IR (or for Reed, injured then cut). On paper their D, IMHO, is actually worse than last year (before injuries).

I honestly don't see their offense being that much better this year since Foster is overrated and Fitzpatrick is just plain bad. They have a decent OL, very good WRs and a solid TE, but no one to get them the ball. That being said, Fitzpatrick is still a pro football QB and if the HOU OL gives them time our D isn't good enough to hold down Hopkins and Johnson for very long. Those guys will get open and make plays if our DL doesn't get to Fitzpatrick. The key will be to get pressure on Fitzpatrick. If we can do that consistently, we'll hold them to under 10 pts --- but if we don't, I wouldn't be surprised to see them put up 20+ pts.

Agree with your last statement re QB play. While I hope that we can establish the run early, RGIII will ultimately determine whether we win or lose this game ------ and honestly, if he doesn't, RGIII didn't play well. HOU's D has some serious holes and a good QB would pick it apart.