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emoses14 wrote:Are we assuming that our drafting Seastrunk is somehow RGIII's doing?

Aparently, he was texting Gruden during the draft to pick Lache.

Deadskins wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:How did they draft Murphy who was a projected third rounder in the second?

Projected by who? Obviously, not our FO. And that's the only projection that matters.

Im not knocking Murphy. I think Murphy is a fine player. I also think he is probably worthy of a 2nd round pick.

I am trying to point out that we had huge glaring needs in other positions. ILB,S, OL and DL.

But whats your argument DS? You cant seriously think our F.O. is one of the best in talent evaluation. I would say our F.O. is about mediocre in evaluating talent. Thats all I am saying.

I am happy we acquired some talent. But this is the fourth year of Allen who I do like. I just think that the whole scouting department needs to keep improving.

Seattle is consistently taking late round picks and hitting on almost all of their draft picks. That is the level our F.O. needs to be at in order for us to win another SB. From top to bottom.

I have seen a huge improvement over Vinny and that I am thankful for. But its been four years now since Vinny has been gone and we need to see more improvement. I know its the first year of Jay.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Overall I thought our F.O.s approach was strange. How we didnt draft an ILB has me scratching my head.

I have always thought that if we have a solid starter in one position we should find starters in other positions of need before we look for depth.

That's a great way to be a constantly mediocre team

I already know you prefer the pick the best player available approach. Which is fine with me. Problem is I dont think our F.O. does that approach well.

For me its not about draft philosophy. Best player availble vs drafting for position of need.

Its about executing the plan you have to the utmost. Which I feel was not done. You have teams who can draft for need like Pittsburg consistently does.

How is Seattle turning late round picks into Pro Bowlers? At the same time filling the whole roster with talent.

Dont get me wrong guys. I have seen improvement from Vinny Cs time. But its been four years now. We need to see more improvement from the scouting department and in the draft.

Alfred Morris is probably the best late round pick we have had in recent drafts. We need to see more. Its critical that we start hitting on a majority of our draft picks. While RG3 and Alf are young.
Theres more work to be done. Hail to the Redskins.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Overall I thought our F.O.s approach was strange. How we didnt draft an ILB has me scratching my head.

I have always thought that if we have a solid starter in one position we should find starters in other positions of need before we look for depth.

That's a great way to be a constantly mediocre team

Just wanted to point out that there are teams who successfully execute both philosophies. Best player available vs drafting for need. Some teams do a mixture of both.

HEROHAMO wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Overall I thought our F.O.s approach was strange. How we didnt draft an ILB has me scratching my head.

I have always thought that if we have a solid starter in one position we should find starters in other positions of need before we look for depth.

That's a great way to be a constantly mediocre team

I already know you prefer the pick the best player available approach. Which is fine with me. Problem is I dont think our F.O. does that approach well.

For me its not about draft philosophy. Best player availble vs drafting for position of need.

Its about executing the plan you have to the utmost. Which I feel was not done. You have teams who can draft for need like Pittsburg consistently does.

How is Seattle turning late round picks into Pro Bowlers? At the same time filling the whole roster with talent.

Dont get me wrong guys. I have seen improvement from Vinny Cs time. But its been four years now. We need to see more improvement from the scouting department and in the draft.

Alfred Morris is probably the best late round pick we have had in recent drafts. We need to see more. Its critical that we start hitting on a majority of our draft picks. While RG3 and Alf are young.
Theres more work to be done. Hail to the Redskins.

My philosophy is to draft the player who will help the team the most. With 2 PB OLB's on roster, that is not likely to be an OLB.

HEROHAMO wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:How did they draft Murphy who was a projected third rounder in the second?

Projected by who? Obviously, not our FO. And that's the only projection that matters.

Im not knocking Murphy. I think Murphy is a fine player. I also think he is probably worthy of a 2nd round pick.

I am trying to point out that we had huge glaring needs in other positions. ILB,S, OL and DL.

But whats your argument DS? You cant seriously think our F.O. is one of the best in talent evaluation. I would say our F.O. is about mediocre in evaluating talent. Thats all I am saying.

My argument is that you say he was a projected third rounder, and I just want to know who's projecting him as such. If the people making these projections were as good or better at this that the 32 FOs in the league, then they would probably be working for one of those 32 instead. Certainly teams reach for players all the time, but maybe that's because they think someone else is going to snag the player before they can. Our FO obviously thought Murphy was a 2nd round talent, and had him ranked higher than Moses, who a lot of these "projectors" wanted us to take with the 34th pick.

yupchagee wrote:My philosophy is to draft the player who will help the team the most. With 2 PB OLB's on roster, that is not likely to be an OLB.

What do we need Jordon Reed for? We have Fred Davis as our pass catching tight end. Wasting a fourth rounder on Kirk Cousins? Wow, what a waste of a pick.

On the other hand, wow, we needed receivers. Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas were serious need picks at tight end.

You win with strengths, not mediocrity.

Deadskins wrote:My argument is that you say he was a projected third rounder, and I just want to know who's projecting him as such. If the people making these projections were as good or better at this that the 32 FOs in the league, then they would probably be working for one of those 32 instead.

Yep, the whole "he was a projected X rounder" becomes worthless 2 minutes after the draft is complete unless you place more value in the opinion of Todd McShay than of Jay Gruden.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:My philosophy is to draft the player who will help the team the most. With 2 PB OLB's on roster, that is not likely to be an OLB.

What do we need Jordon Reed for? We have Fred Davis as our pass catching tight end. Wasting a fourth rounder on Kirk Cousins? Wow, what a waste of a pick.

On the other hand, wow, we needed receivers. Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas were serious need picks at tight end.

You win with strengths, not mediocrity.

You make some valid points, however, there were better WR's available than those we picked (1 of whom we recently signed). Kelly & Thomas had MAJOR durability issues. I don't know how much they knew about durability & off field issues before making some of these picks.