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Deadskins wrote:

SKINS#1 wrote:I think there are members that think RG3 has to be the starter because of what is invested. Let me ask, if you pay to go see a movie and ten minutes in the movie you realize is is awful, do you stay because you have already paid or do you move forward and invest your time is something more productive.

My point is, some investments work and some don't. Decisions should be based what is best for the present/future and nothing is sacred just because of past investments.

First, I have never walked out of a movie in my life, so I don't really understand the reference, but if I did decide to leave, I would go into another movie at the same theatre, so that I got at least some of my money's worth. That said, I would never leave 10 minutes in, that's not nearly enough time to make a sound judgement on the quality of the film. My point is, while I agree that some investments don't pan out, you don't ditch at the first downturn in the market. That would be the surest way to lose on every investment you ever make.

StorminMormon86 wrote:Just for the record, ROY can be busts. Ask Vince Young. Don't think Griffin is a bust, not by a long stretch. This year will be telling.

Deadskins wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:Just for the record, ROY can be busts. Ask Vince Young. Don't think Griffin is a bust, not by a long stretch. This year will be telling.

VY doesn't qualify for bust status in my book. He was comeback player of the year in 2009, and made his second Pro-Bowl.

Deadskins wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:Just for the record, ROY can be busts. Ask Vince Young. Don't think Griffin is a bust, not by a long stretch. This year will be telling.

VY doesn't qualify for bust status in my book. He was the Sporting News' comeback player of the year in 2009, and made his second Pro-Bowl. His other seasons with the Titans were shortened due to injury and being in Fischer's dog house.

StorminMormon86 wrote:He played the majority of every season (with the exception of one due to injury) while he was on the Titans. Pro Bowls mean nothing. He was most certainly a bust along the same lines as Leinhart, Russell, and Leaf.

Rookie season
Of the rookie QB class of 2006, Vince Young has the best record as a starter, surpassing the only other three starting rookie QB's: Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler, and Bruce Gradkowski. During the 2006 season, Vince Young led the Tennessee Titans to eight wins including six straight wins. He had a record of 8–5 as a starter.

2007 season
In Week 17 Vince Young and the Titans' playoff wishes came to life as they defeated the Indianapolis Colts 16–10 to clinch the 6th seed in the AFC Playoffs. Young would leave the game in the 3rd quarter after suffering what seemed to be a re-injury of his right quad which kept him out for a game earlier in the season. Backup quarterback Kerry Collins would enter in the game and lead the Titans to 2 field goals to break a 10–10 tie and seal the victory. Before the injury, Young posted some of his best numbers of the year by completing 14 of 18 passes for 157 yards with 0 TD, 0 INT, and posting a 103.0 QB Rating.

2008 season
In the first game against the Jacksonville Jaguars Young injured his knee and was expected to miss 2 to 3 weeks. On September 15, Jeff Fisher made the decision to go with Kerry Collins and for Collins to remain the starter for the rest of the season. The Titans went on to finish 13–3 in the regular season with Young assuming back-up duties.

2009 season
On October 29, 2009, following a disappointing 0–6 start to the season, Coach Fisher announced that Young would replace Collins as starter.
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Young won eight of his ten starts in the 2009 campaign.

2010 season
Young led the Titans to a 4–5 record in nine of their first ten games in 2010 while throwing for ten touchdowns with a 98.6 passer rating. During a Week 11 loss to the Washington Redskins, Young suffered a torn flexor tendon in his right thumb, and was held out of the game after he prepared to reenter. Following the game, Young threw his shoulder pads into the crowd as he left the field, had an altercation with Coach Fisher in the locker room, and stormed out. Fisher then declared that Rusty Smith would become the Titans' starting quarterback.


Vince Young would finish his Titans career with a 30-17 record (63.8%) over five years. As a Titan, Young finished with a 75.4 QB rating, with 42 touchdown passes and 42 interceptions.

Deadskins wrote:No way is he in the same category as the other three you mentioned.

SKINS#1 wrote:We all want RG3 to become a quality QB with all the necessary skill sets including the ability to read defenses. Some of us may not have as much faith as others, he will advance to this level. When we don't agree that hardly makes anyone a troll. In fact, I have been a member longer than many of you.

I think there are members that think RG3 has to be the starter because of what is invested. Let me ask, if you pay to go see a movie and ten minutes in the movie you realize is is awful, do you stay because you have already paid or do you move forward and invest your time is something more productive.

My point is, some investments work and some don't. Decisions should be based what is best for the present/future and nothing is sacred just because of past investments.

Neo wrote:

SKINS#1 wrote:We all want RG3 to become a quality QB with all the necessary skill sets including the ability to read defenses. Some of us may not have as much faith as others, he will advance to this level. When we don't agree that hardly makes anyone a troll. In fact, I have been a member longer than many of you.

I think there are members that think RG3 has to be the starter because of what is invested. Let me ask, if you pay to go see a movie and ten minutes in the movie you realize is is awful, do you stay because you have already paid or do you move forward and invest your time is something more productive.

My point is, some investments work and some don't. Decisions should be based what is best for the present/future and nothing is sacred just because of past investments.

Hmmm...so is RG3 like a child ticket or adult? Big price hike there.Plus, even some of the crappiest movies have boobs in them eventually

Also, was there a large popcorn and soda purchased? THAT'S were they stick it to a man.

riggofan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:Just for the record, ROY can be busts. Ask Vince Young. Don't think Griffin is a bust, not by a long stretch. This year will be telling.

VY doesn't qualify for bust status in my book. He was comeback player of the year in 2009, and made his second Pro-Bowl.

Yeah I agree. I think VY was just a guy who didn't reach his full potential, he still had a couple good years in the NFL. Jamarcus Russell was a bust. Ryan Leaf was a bust. Heath Shuler was a bust. These are #1 pick, hyped guys who never did anything at all and pretty much immediately showed they weren't cut out for the NFL.

emoses14 wrote:I know you're doing QBs, but Desmond Howard was a bust. I don't care if he won a superbowl MVP as a kick returner.

Deadskins wrote:

emoses14 wrote:I know you're doing QBs, but Desmond Howard was a bust. I don't care if he won a superbowl MVP as a kick returner.

He was at least a bust as a WR. But it's not like he won ROY or anything. Not sure why you're bringing him up.

Deadskins wrote:

emoses14 wrote:I know you're doing QBs, but Desmond Howard was a bust. I don't care if he won a superbowl MVP as a kick returner.

He was at least a bust as a WR. But it's not like he won ROY or anything. Not sure why you're bringing him up.

DarthMonk wrote:Hey Oldschool. I got a name you might like.

The Washington Griffins

DarthMonk wrote:

OldSchool wrote:I think the critical ability that NFL QB needs is all mental.

Agreed.

OldSchool wrote:They need the knowledge and ability to accurately read the defense

Agreed.

OldSchool wrote:, adjust the protections,

Agreed.

OldSchool wrote: move effectively within the pocket,

Agreed.

OldSchool wrote: quickly go through progressions,

Agreed.

OldSchool wrote: make good decisions,

Agreed.

OldSchool wrote: be able to throw accurately,

Agreed.

OldSchool wrote: shake off mistakes

Agreed.

OldSchool wrote: and provide leadership.

Agreed.

OldSchool wrote: Those are the must have abilities that are essential to even modest NFL success. Having an 80 yard arm and wide receiver speed are nice to haves but not the essential things.

Agreed.

I don't know what the future holds but I saw Griff do all these things in his rookie year.

The staff abused him.

The next one won't ... I hope.

OldSchool wrote:I hate to be the one to bust your bubble but in 2012 Griffin didn't do any of the mental stuff, he ran around so long somebody finally got open or he ran downfield. He got by playing backyard style until he got hurt. In 2013 his lack of QB skills were exposed.

Deadskins wrote:

OldSchool wrote:I hate to be the one to bust your bubble but in 2012 Griffin didn't do any of the mental stuff, he ran around so long somebody finally got open or he ran downfield. He got by playing backyard style until he got hurt. In 2013 his lack of QB skills were exposed.

It's too bad you're such a hater, you obviously missed a bunch of great games.

OldSchool wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

OldSchool wrote:I hate to be the one to bust your bubble but in 2012 Griffin didn't do any of the mental stuff, he ran around so long somebody finally got open or he ran downfield. He got by playing backyard style until he got hurt. In 2013 his lack of QB skills were exposed.

It's too bad you're such a hater, you obviously missed a bunch of great games.

That would make CC a hater because these are shortcomings he has pointed out also.

OldSchool wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

OldSchool wrote:I hate to be the one to bust your bubble but in 2012 Griffin didn't do any of the mental stuff, he ran around so long somebody finally got open or he ran downfield. He got by playing backyard style until he got hurt. In 2013 his lack of QB skills were exposed.

It's too bad you're such a hater, you obviously missed a bunch of great games.

That would make CC a hater because these are shortcomings he has pointed out also.

OldSchool wrote:I hate to be the one to bust your bubble

OldSchool wrote:but in 2012 Griffin didn't do any of the mental stuff,

The first was on a deep in-route from the left, after Griffin didn’t like his other options. His other three options.

Yes, three.

“I felt good about (that one),” Griffin told reporters afterward. “I was able to get to my last read on that play … I exhausted three progressions and made it to my fourth one. So that felt good. Coach was happy. He told me, ‘Good job,’ after that play.

“Especially in the NFL, from what I’ve heard, you don’t get very many opportunities to get to your last read.”

No kidding.

OldSchool wrote:he ran around so long somebody finally got open or he ran downfield.

OldSchool wrote:He got by playing backyard style until he got hurt.

OldSchool wrote:In 2013 his lack of QB skills were exposed.

Deadskins wrote:

EA7649 wrote:

Sk1nsfan7 wrote:I knew the real fans were still out there! Need a opinion from you guys. My mother-in-law bought me a Jordan Reed jersey for Xmas....should I return it for $100 in nflshop credit or keep it?

Keep it

I don't know. Reed may not play again. He's had a lot of concussions.