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DaSkinz Baby wrote:

riggofan wrote:

PAPDOG67 wrote:We will agree to disagree than. I thought the secondary, as well as the entire defense pretty much sucked the entire season. Most of it had to do with lack of talent, but the scheme was terrible as well.

Which part of the scheme was terrible? Just curious.

What part of the scheme was terrible?? Well for one how about having Ryan Kerrigan cover Shady McCoy?? Is that one enough to validate this scheme was terrible, Jim Haslett sucks as well as anything else negative you could say???

For one... He said scheme. You didn't answer the question. What is Haz's scheme? What's his philosophy?

So, tell us. Who would you have put on Shady?

RayNAustin wrote:I like the Gruden hire, and I think it is a wise move to keep Haslett, for continuity.

Haz was hamstrung by not having the proper personnel to run a 34 defense in the first two years, and these past two years, the secondary was a talentless joke, with the exception of Hall. NOBODY can deliver a solid defense with the holes this backfield had. Then, throw in the reports of Shanahan interferring ... give the Haz man a break.

As for promoting Morris to DC ... I can find no rational argument to support that, given that he was in charge of the defensive group which was the biggest failure (I don't blame Morris for that, but find no reason to prpmote him for it either)

As for McVay ... don't know enough about him to say .... but I like a little more age and experience at the OC and DC spots. I'm not crazy about the coach being younger than some of the players ... but if Gruden controls the offense (play calling) i'd feel better about that.

Dear Jesus!! Keep a suckball coach for continuity? Well with this mindset we might as well have kept Mike and Kyle too right? So I guess if you have AIDS and there is a cure you keep AIDS for continuity as well right?? I swear if I see one more of these type comments I am going to EXPLODE!!!

There is no sense in keeping a CRAPPY LOSER DC for continuity!! ABSOLUTELY NONE!! Okay that is all.........

I'd still like them to bring in Wade Phillips to be DC.

What part of the scheme was terrible?? Well for one how about having Ryan Kerrigan cover Shady McCoy?? Is that one enough to validate this scheme was terrible, Jim Haslett sucks as well as anything else negative you could say??? [/quote]

For one... He said scheme. You didn't answer the question. What is Haz's scheme? What's his philosophy?

So, tell us. Who would you have put on Shady?[/quote]

Well let me see I would think that number one just about any cornerback, safety would be a wee bit faster than Kerrigan so I would assume that any DB would be able to cover him longer than Kerrigan thus having a higher percentage of success in getting to the QB?? As far as scheme, wasn't his schemes pretty much mundane wasn't his blitzes the same, wasn't this the same dude that allowed Dez Bryant to be covered by a single DB when his BS blitz didn't work, the year that Hall sucked?? I mean I don't really have time to school people in the hows and whys of why Haslett, his schemes suck, the last 4 years of how our defenses have pretty much been used and ended up towards the bottom of the league in stats pretty much screams FIRE THIS FOOL now to me, but hey, I am old school, to me 2+2 will always equal 4....

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Well let me see I would think that number one just about any cornerback, safety would be a wee bit faster than Kerrigan so I would assume that any DB would be able to cover him longer than Kerrigan thus having a higher percentage of success in getting to the QB??

And this is where you fail. You're going to put Rambo on Shady? The man who can't tackle in the open field? Ohhhhh, you're going to put a CB on Shady... But what happens if the audible to a run play, now you're at a disadvantage defensively. This is not Madden, you cannot stop the run in a dime defense all game long.

The problem with the play called, was that the blitz didn't get there in time. The intention was never for Kerrigan to have to cover for so long. The long-term problem is that Haz wasn't given better players to handle such situations.

DaSkinz Baby wrote:I don't really have time to school people in the hows and whys of why Haslett, his schemes suck, the last 4 years of how our defenses have pretty much been used and ended up towards the bottom of the league in stats pretty much screams FIRE THIS FOOL now to me, but hey, I am old school, to me 2+2 will always equal 4....

Thank you for reminding me that I"m wasting my time talking to you. Seriously, I appreciate it.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Well let me see I would think that number one just about any cornerback, safety would be a wee bit faster than Kerrigan so I would assume that any DB would be able to cover him longer than Kerrigan thus having a higher percentage of success in getting to the QB??

And this is where you fail. You're going to put Rambo on Shady? The man who can't tackle in the open field? Ohhhhh, you're going to put a CB on Shady... But what happens if the audible to a run play, now you're at a disadvantage defensively. This is not Madden, you cannot stop the run in a dime defense all game long.

The problem with the play called, was that the blitz didn't get there in time. The intention was never for Kerrigan to have to cover for so long. The long-term problem is that Haz wasn't given better players to handle such situations.

Well until my defense is run you can't say whether it would fail or not, we know that Haslett's defense failed in that situation and pretty much for 4 years. But again that's my opinion, I'm sorry I am one of those people that understand full well that if you place your hand in fire, IT BURNS, if you continue to run full speed into a brick wall YOU LOSE. And again I never said Rambo, I used a safety as a better option than a 250 pound Linebacker assigned to cover 4.2 speed.....

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Well until my defense is run you can't say whether it would fail or not, we know that Haslett's defense failed in that situation and pretty much for 4 years. But again that's my opinion, I'm sorry I am one of those people that understand full well that if you place your hand in fire, IT BURNS, if you continue to run full speed into a brick wall YOU LOSE. And again I never said Rambo, I used a safety as a better option than a 250 pound Linebacker assigned to cover 4.2 speed.....

Sure buddy. Keep schooling us with your madden wizardy. You probably don't even realize that Rambo would be the safety next in line to come on the field. Wait, are you even aware that he didn't start the entire season? I love that you make a suggestion but don't even know who'd come in to play.

Soooo... you move one of your top CBs or safeties up to cover McCoy? I can't imagine that would create any new issues in the secondary. lol. Seriously man, who is accounting then for Riley Cooper or Jason Avant or whoever? I personally know jack about defensive schemes but that one is obvious even to me, so I would kind of doubt Chip Kelly wouldn't see the flaw.

I hear what you're saying about Kerrigan, but that still seems like an example of a talent issue more than a "scheme" issue.

riggofan wrote:I personally know jack about defensive schemes but that one is obvious even to me, so I would kind of doubt Chip Kelly wouldn't see the flaw.

Those things don't matter when you're playing Madden on the Wii which is apparently where his football knowledge comes from.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

riggofan wrote:I personally know jack about defensive schemes but that one is obvious even to me, so I would kind of doubt Chip Kelly wouldn't see the flaw.

Those things don't matter when you're playing Madden on the Wii which is apparently where his football knowledge comes from.

Sorry fella's I forgot that Haslett (Chris Luva Luva) and his minions are on this site, but hey I would tend to think that since Kerrigan is pretty much known as a rusher, I would have preferred to have a blitzing Kerrigan and have a DB cover Shady than to have a DB rush and have Kerrigan cover. So please excuse my stupidity......

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

riggofan wrote:I personally know jack about defensive schemes but that one is obvious even to me, so I would kind of doubt Chip Kelly wouldn't see the flaw.

Those things don't matter when you're playing Madden on the Wii which is apparently where his football knowledge comes from.

Also there buddy get it right I have Madden on my 2 Xbox ones and my 2 360's....the Wii are for cornball brothers....LMAO!!!

For all you Haslett sniffers, take a look at London Fletcher's last tweet. Heck even he knows Haslett needs to go!! Continuity my butt....LMAO!!!

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Which part of the scheme was terrible? Just curious.[/quote]


What part of the scheme was terrible?? Well for one how about having Ryan Kerrigan cover Shady McCoy?? Is that one enough to validate this scheme was terrible, Jim Haslett sucks as well as anything else negative you could say??? [/quote]

For one... He said scheme. You didn't answer the question. What is Haz's scheme? What's his philosophy?

So, tell us. Who would you have put on Shady?[/quote]

It was both. Haslet sucks as a coach. You can't prove to me other wise. The whole idea of going to a 3-4 SCHEME was terrible. You took two monster DEs in college, who wreaked havoc by getting up the field every down and had them try to cover running backs. Bringning in Coefield, who was a 4-3 DT and throwing him into a 3-4 NG was a bad move......and Coefield has actually played well for us, but I think he's a more dominant player as a 4-3 DT. The guys also seems to blitz a lot and play a soft zone on 3rd and short (ie under 10 yards) which is rediculous. Call it Scheme, call it philosophy call it whatever you like, whatever Jim Haslet is running, it aint very good.

PAPDOG67 wrote:It was both. Haslet sucks as a coach. You can't prove to me other wise. The whole idea of going to a 3-4 SCHEME was terrible. You took two monster DEs in college, who wreaked havoc by getting up the field every down and had them try to cover running backs. Bringning in Coefield, who was a 4-3 DT and throwing him into a 3-4 NG was a bad move......and Coefield has actually played well for us, but I think he's a more dominant player as a 4-3 DT. The guys also seems to blitz a lot and play a soft zone on 3rd and short (ie under 10 yards) which is rediculous. Call it Scheme, call it philosophy call it whatever you like, whatever Jim Haslet is running, it aint very good.

You still never answered my question. If you're going to critisize the man, what would you have done intead? I think that's a difficult question for you and the Wii player to answer because it forces you to confront and realize the reality of the situation.

Again, WHO do you put on McCoy? Who?!

I'm not arguing if he should be here. I'm not his biggest fan. My debate with you, is that you refuse to acknowledge that however bad Haz has been, a lot of it has to do with things beyond his control. It's the reason Danny Smith left.

PAPDOG67 wrote:Which part of the scheme was terrible? Just curious.

What part of the scheme was terrible?? Well for one how about having Ryan Kerrigan cover Shady McCoy?? Is that one enough to validate this scheme was terrible, Jim Haslett sucks as well as anything else negative you could say??? [/quote]

For one... He said scheme. You didn't answer the question. What is Haz's scheme? What's his philosophy?

So, tell us. Who would you have put on Shady?[/quote]

It was both. Haslet sucks as a coach. You can't prove to me other wise. The whole idea of going to a 3-4 SCHEME was terrible. You took two monster DEs in college, who wreaked havoc by getting up the field every down and had them try to cover running backs. Bringning in Coefield, who was a 4-3 DT and throwing him into a 3-4 NG was a bad move......and Coefield has actually played well for us, but I think he's a more dominant player as a 4-3 DT. The guys also seems to blitz a lot and play a soft zone on 3rd and short (ie under 10 yards) which is rediculous. Call it Scheme, call it philosophy call it whatever you like, whatever Jim Haslet is running, it aint very good.[/quote]

PAPDOG67 while agree 100% anything contrary seems to be unpopular, I voiced my opinion and was told my defense was a Madden Play and only worked on the Nintendo Wii, even though as a defensive coach for South Germantown and my defenses were top ranked, because it's Haslett's my thoughts or opinions mean nothing...... Don't you know having a 257 pound Linebacker cover Shady was a sound scheme, even though we never had a better type blitz to get to Foles?? LMAO!! Sorry the supposed intelligence to many posters here seem to show that both oars aren't in the water, and probably never have been, but please don't take offense when the Defensive Prodigy's here knit pick your opinion..........I for one, AGREE 10000000000000%

CLL, for one thing, I would not have taken what was a top 10 defense most seasons as a 4-3 and turned it into a 3-4. That was his biggest mistake from the start. You don't fix something that aint broken. Any more questions?

DaSkinz Baby wrote:I would have preferred to have a blitzing Kerrigan and have a DB cover Shady than to have a DB rush and have Kerrigan cover. So please excuse my stupidity......

Really? We had DBs rushing the passer when Kerrigan was covering the RB? When did you see this? Each team gets 11 guys. If you want someone else to cover Shady than Kerrigan, then you have to remove Kerrigan and replace him with another player, but you have to do it quick because the Smeagols just came to the line with Shady lined up in the slot. Oh wait, he motioned back to halfback. Get Kerrigan back out there quick!

PAPDOG67 wrote:CLL, for one thing, I would not have taken what was a top 10 defense most seasons as a 4-3 and turned it into a 3-4. That was his biggest mistake from the start. You don't fix something that aint broken. Any more questions?

Yes, answer the question that I asked you for starters. You've replied to me 3 or 4 times and STILL haven't answered it.

Secondly, it was Mike Shanahans desire and decision to switch. Haz simply agreed to run it.

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Sorry the supposed intelligence to many posters here seem to show that both oars aren't in the water, and probably never have been, but please don't take offense when the Defensive Prodigy's here knit pick your opinion..........I for one, AGREE 10000000000000%

1. You need to learn how to use the quote fuction, because you're misquoting people.
2. You had your turn to have an intelligent discussion, take a seat.

Perhaps I did too many drugs but what type of scheme is allowing a linebacker NOT KNOWN FOR HIS SPEED cover the fastest man on the field? Let's add into that the fact that there was never any strong indication that any blitz would work in time, let's admit that just about all of Haslett's blitzes were the same year after year and failed more than they succeeded. Now I don't know why Chris Luva Luva, Langley Park Joe or anyone else fails to see it for what it was, I also don't understand the need to say that anyone else defensive scheme's or plays would be Madden like when the actual DC (Jim Haslett) has done nothing but make our defense a hot topic for any comedian on a late night TV show and a joke, because Haslett, his rankings, his inability to draw up new blitzes, his inability to adjust at halftime are all legitimate reasons for this dude should have already been and more now than anytime before needs to get fired, however I must deduce that evidently this is what makes America so great........

Deadskins wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:I would have preferred to have a blitzing Kerrigan and have a DB cover Shady than to have a DB rush and have Kerrigan cover. So please excuse my stupidity......

Really? We had DBs rushing the passer when Kerrigan was covering the RB? When did you see this? Each team gets 11 guys. If you want someone else to cover Shady than Kerrigan, then you have to remove Kerrigan and replace him with another player, but you have to do it quick because the Smeagols just came to the line with Shady lined up in the slot. Oh wait, he motioned back to halfback. Get Kerrigan back out there quick!

I keep asking these two posters to tell me who they'd cover him with. I want a specific name but they continually beat around the bush. The problem is, answering that question will expose just how little they know. Or it'll force them to realize that their expectations are unrealistic. They just want to mindlessly bash a man without any understanding of the situation.

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Perhaps I did too many drugs but what type of scheme is allowing a linebacker NOT KNOWN FOR HIS SPEED cover the fastest man on the field? Let's add into that the fact that there was never any strong indication that any blitz would work in time, let's admit that just about all of Haslett's blitzes were the same year after year and failed more than they succeeded. Now I don't know why Chris Luva Luva, Langley Park Joe or anyone else fails to see it for what it was, I also don't understand the need to say that anyone else defensive scheme's or plays would be Madden like when the actual DC (Jim Haslett) has done nothing but make our defense a hot topic for any comedian on a late night TV show and a joke, because Haslett, his rankings, his inability to draw up new blitzes, his inability to adjust at halftime are all legitimate reasons for this dude should have already been and more now than anytime before needs to get fired, however I must deduce that evidently this is what makes America so great........

And he still hasn't answered it.

AnthonyRRedskin1995 wrote:Has Haslett ever ran a 4-3?

I think before Shanny, that's ALL he ran - and Shanny instituted the 3-4 - and we did not have the personnel - and it set us back at least 5 years - and many draft picks - and Shanny called the zero blitz against the Cowboys - and ....

DarthMonk wrote:

AnthonyRRedskin1995 wrote:Has Haslett ever ran a 4-3?

I think before Shanny, that's ALL he ran - and Shanny instituted the 3-4 - and we did not have the personnel - and it set us back at least 5 years - and many draft picks - and Shanny called the zero blitz against the Cowboys - and ....

Don't tell PAPDOG67 and the other guy that. Don't come in here with facts. Don't you dare!!!

Okay I personally would have covered McCoy with Biggers, or Amerson before I would have had Kerrigan cover him. I would have actually had that Rookie out of Florida State cover him I believe his name is Brandon Jenkins cover him before I would have used Kerrigan. Now for me, I don't have one of my two best pass rushers attempt to cover the fastest back on the field, ESPECIALLY when I know there is what 10% chance that the blitz will get there within 2-3 seconds. Now that is about as best I can answer this question.........

I don't like Haz because he just doesn't have a good track record. He may be better than his record here, but I think the team can do a lot better. When has anyone been concerned about facing a Haz defense? Or a Haz team? Lets move on.

CLL I would have played zone. In fact I would have played zone a lot, almost all the time considering we don't have the best personel to play man coverage.