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riggofan wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:Pre cap means to me = before Mara implemented the cap hit we and Dallas took. So before that. No its like sending you to the store for bread and you come back back with Wonder bread instead of Pepperidge Farm. There is a difference.

Ok, Wonder Bread/Pepperidge Farm. If you send me to the store with $2, you're getting Wonder Bread even if we both know Pepperidge Farm is better.

I know what you mean by pre-cap, I just don't know what players/positions specifically you're saying are pre-cap, bad personnel decisions. There are a lot of glaring needs on the team that just couldn't get fixed, because of the cap penalty.

Everyone to the right of Trent. For starters. Maybe there is someone that came in there after the cap. Polumbus? If I have to go through all of it I will but I think you get my meaning. His first 2 years sucked as bad as his last 2 except for the winning streak to spite him. He did some good things. I wont say he never did anything. This whole Danny is playing with my girlfriend just ticks me off.

Kilmer72 wrote:He missed on talent along the Oline, He missed on linebackers, he missed on secondary, he missed on QBs pre Robert. He missed on coaches Burns, JH there is way too much to elaborate on. The list is long. I like some of the things Shanahan has done. He got us younger, he got us in cap control minus the cap gate crap. He has made a real attempt at a scouting department. He has spread himself thin with to much responsibilities. How many successful coach/GM/last word guys are there?

I think he's been somewhat hamstrung on what he can do, talent-wise, by the cap hit, but he's still brought in a number of good, young players. I'm not sure which LBs you think he missed on, DBs either (not many rookie DBs can step in and start right away on an NFL team. I'll give you coaches though. I still think he's done a better job of finding talent than he has of coaching.

Deadskins wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:He missed on talent along the Oline, He missed on linebackers, he missed on secondary, he missed on QBs pre Robert. He missed on coaches Burns, JH there is way too much to elaborate on. The list is long. I like some of the things Shanahan has done. He got us younger, he got us in cap control minus the cap gate crap. He has made a real attempt at a scouting department. He has spread himself thin with to much responsibilities. How many successful coach/GM/last word guys are there?

I think he's been somewhat hamstrung on what he can do, talent-wise, by the cap hit, but he's still brought in a number of good, young players. I'm not sure which LBs you think he missed on, DBs either (not many rookie DBs can step in and start right away on an NFL team. I'll give you coaches though. I still think he's done a better job of finding talent than he has of coaching.

Deadskins, I know you know better. He has had 4 years to find DB. How many years or attempts are required? He missed on 34 linebackers didn't he? Our outside linebackers can't do what Jim wants them to do. They are converted yes but whos fault is it? DBs yes I agree take time but how much? For middle linebackers we have Fletcher (on his way out) then we have what we have.

Yes the cap gate has hindered us. I know this. I am really ticked off right now and yes my opinion may change in a few days. Right now I see bloody fury. I am mad like you wouldn't believe.

I hate the fact that Shanahan let the leak out or didn't deny it. Which ever way you want to look at it it sucks to get hit below the belt.

Kilmer72 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:He missed on talent along the Oline, He missed on linebackers, he missed on secondary, he missed on QBs pre Robert. He missed on coaches Burns, JH there is way too much to elaborate on. The list is long. I like some of the things Shanahan has done. He got us younger, he got us in cap control minus the cap gate crap. He has made a real attempt at a scouting department. He has spread himself thin with to much responsibilities. How many successful coach/GM/last word guys are there?

I think he's been somewhat hamstrung on what he can do, talent-wise, by the cap hit, but he's still brought in a number of good, young players. I'm not sure which LBs you think he missed on, DBs either (not many rookie DBs can step in and start right away on an NFL team. I'll give you coaches though. I still think he's done a better job of finding talent than he has of coaching.

Deadskins, I know you know better. He has had 4 years to find DB. How many years or attempts are required? He missed on 34 linebackers didn't he? Our outside linebackers can't do what Jim wants them to do. They are converted yes but whos fault is it? DBs yes I agree take time but how much? For middle linebackers we have Fletcher (on his way out) then we have what we have.

Well, Tannard Jackson and Merriweather might have been a good combo, but we'll never know. Amerson was a good pickup, though, and Rambo may have potential, but he's too young to be thrown to the wolves like he was. In the middle we have Riley, who is a real up and coming MLB, IMO. And I also disagree with you about Kerrigan and Orakpo.

Don't get me wrong I like Kerrigan and Orakpo. I just think they are great football players not outside LBs. We have a good nucleus just not the guys to make this stuff happen. This is why I blame Mike. I like the many good things he did but all it takes is one awe shucks to the atta boys to ruin everything. I wanted to support Mike even though I didn't like his style. He is supposed to be a throw back General. He is a crying quitting snake. I feel like even though Snyder is a scum bag he is is our scum bag that wont go away. That leaves us with someone that is man enough to take the journey and make it happen. Again we had coaches that could have but for circumstances and the Danny factor it hasn't. We have come close with Gibbs. That guy could touch poo and make it gold. Think about it. We need a real GM and HC. Bruce stays as President.

Kilmer72 wrote: … We need a real GM and HC. Bruce stays as President.

a promotion? - right now we have Bruce Allen - Executive Vice President/General Manager and Mike Shanahan - Executive Vice President/Head Coach

also … little known fact is that A.J. Smith is part of the staff here as well

this MESS worries me - IMO we would be better staying the course for 1 more season with the clear picture that nothing is 'firm' after that

maybe Mike will not stay for 2014 anyway …

I am worried that we're panicking a little and making a knee jerk hire that will not benefit the players

SkinsJock wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote: … We need a real GM and HC. Bruce stays as President.

a promotion? - right now we have Bruce Allen - Executive Vice President/General Manager and Mike Shanahan - Executive Vice President/Head Coach

also … little known fact is that A.J. Smith is part of the staff here as well

this MESS worries me - IMO we would be better staying the course for 1 more season with the clear picture that nothing is 'firm' after that

maybe Mike will not stay for 2014 anyway …

I am worried that we're panicking a little and making a knee jerk hire that will not benefit the players

Let me put it this way. Let Bruce decide who should be GM and help guide him on his (the new GM) decision for HC. Bruce knows numbers and he is the best choice for PR duties. He knows football and I am sure he knows Redskins Park.

Kilmer72 wrote "Let me put it this way. Let Bruce decide who should be GM and help guide him on his (the new coach) decision for HC. Bruce knows numbers and he is the best choice for PR duties. He knows football and I am sure he knows Redskins Park."

This sounds like a smart decision!

I am VERY hopeful that Mike will be gone soon and that Dan Snyder will let Bruce Allen recommend the next head coach to Dan Snyder as he knows MUCH MORE about who might possibly be a good fit with what the plan is that these guys have for this franchise …

my hope is that Mike is here for another season as that is best for the franchise
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IMO Mike is the best guy to help RG3 take the next steps he needs to become a much better QB

SkinsJock wrote:I am VERY hopeful that Mike will be gone soon and that Dan Snyder will let Bruce Allen recommend the next head coach to Dan Snyder as he knows MUCH MORE about who might possibly be a good fit with what the plan is that these guys have for this franchise …

my hope is that Mike is here for another season as that is best for the franchise
and
IMO Mike is the best guy to help RG3 take the next steps he needs to become a much better QB

I agree but it is too late. Shanahan blew it up after the fire was started.

SkinsJock wrote:I am VERY hopeful that Mike will be gone soon

Ok...

SkinsJock wrote:IMO Mike is the best guy to help RG3 take the next steps he needs to become a much better QB

Huh?!

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I am VERY hopeful that Mike will be gone soon
AND
Mike is the best guy to help RG3 take the next steps he needs to become a much better QB

Huh?!

simple really - Mike stays for 1 more season - I doubt that's possible but that would be 'best' for the franchise and for Robert

I would not give Mike an extension and I doubt that he's here anyway, but ….

Kilmer72 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I am VERY hopeful that Mike will be gone soon and that Dan Snyder will let Bruce Allen recommend the next head coach to Dan Snyder as he knows MUCH MORE about who might possibly be a good fit with what the plan is that these guys have for this franchise …

my hope is that Mike is here for another season as that is best for the franchise
and
IMO Mike is the best guy to help RG3 take the next steps he needs to become a much better QB

I agree but it is too late. Shanahan blew it up after the fire was started.

Yep. I was on board with Shanahan coming back for another year, but he clearly wants out. Gotta move on!

I'll go with that - HOPEFULLY Bruce Allen is in charge of identifying and bringing in the next HC for Snyder to hire - without ANY influence from that little weasel

SkinsJock wrote:I'll go with that - HOPEFULLY Bruce Allen is in charge of identifying and bringing in the next HC for Snyder to hire - without ANY influence from that little weasel

Eh. Gotta be realistic about that. If Dan is planning to pay somebody $4m-$7m per year, I'd expect he's going to be involved in choosing and hiring that person. I can't even say I would blame him for that. What we need to hope is that Bruce Allen does a good job of helping him select the next coach.

Btw seems like a lot of faith being put in Bruce Allen in these threads the past few days. I ask this seriously: does he deserve our confidence going into this? His GM experience is pretty limited and kind of a mixed bag.

let's put it this way - Dan Snyder does not have a clue and anyone that is a part of this FO would be more qualified at making a better choice than Snyder

I don't mind who Snyder 'chooses' to be HC or GM as long as it's not someone he 'finds' or thinks might work out here

most ALL NFL owners let these hiring processes be handled by the guys that know better - that's ALL Dan needs to do too

Dan should announce the new HC (or HC & GM) but he needs to let the guys that know best do their jobs and bring that guy(s) to him to hire (& fire)

I think we need a young, up & coming coach like Gibbs was the 1st time.

yupchagee wrote:I think we need a young, up & coming coach like Gibbs was the 1st time.

Yep. Someone with something to prove, IMO.

SkinsJock wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I am VERY hopeful that Mike will be gone soon
AND
Mike is the best guy to help RG3 take the next steps he needs to become a much better QB

Huh?!

simple really - Mike stays for 1 more season - I doubt that's possible but that would be 'best' for the franchise and for Robert

I would not give Mike an extension and I doubt that he's here anyway, but ….

This team has gone radioactive and every week leaks are coming out that he hates it here, that RGIII is a diva, and Snyder is the problem. These leaks clearly have a source.

I really want your positive outlook following damaging leaks, blown leads, and blowout. How is Shanahan best served coming back one more season? The damage is too much. He wants to leave.

Smithian wrote: … This team has gone radioactive and every week leaks are coming out that he hates it here, that RGIII is a diva, and Snyder is the problem.
These leaks clearly have a source.
I really want your positive outlook following damaging leaks, blown leads, and blowout. How is Shanahan best served coming back one more season? The damage is too much. He wants to leave.

you need to understand - I am feeling positive about only a few things regarding the Redskins and none of those involve the mess of the past week

we do have a future great QB in Robert and we have a franchise that has been managed by NFL people for a few years now … we are better than many here think

I could care less about what's best for Mike - all I'm interested in is what's best for the Redskins

until recently I thought that the Redskins need a little more time to finally get things in place here and get out from the BS salary cap
I did not think that making a lot of changes was the best way to go - I would not have given Mike an extension and he may have left anyway without that, but ….

at this time I really doubt that Mike and Dan can find a way to go one more year

I've never really liked Mike as a Head Coach and hopefully Dan can let the people he has help identify a GM and a HC that can continue what has been happening here and keep improving this franchise like has happened here the past few years

No self respecting coach or for that matter any person with 1 functioning brain cell would want to work for dan snydley wiplish

midnightgreenmike wrote:No self respecting coach or for that matter any person with 1 functioning brain cell would want to work for dan snydley wiplish

They may not want to work for him, but I can think of seven million reasons why they would anyway.

midnightgreenmike wrote:No self respecting coach or for that matter any person with 1 functioning brain cell would want to work for dan snydley wiplish

Gibbs II didn't do it for the money.

FIRST Id say that getting a coach will be difficult for this owner like the past and like other meddling owner (Jones/Davis). 2 choices if indeed they go a different way with a coach...a) Bevell, b) Greg Roman. They both have offenses with mobile QBs..but.. use better formations. I hate all these tight backfield run option formations that RG3 has NOT been able to use because of injury. He lost all offseason and was not able to make progression with 3, 5, 7 step drops from center. Drop back, make reads and deliver the ball on time. It was evident, he didnt have the same pocket awareness, held the ball and take hits.

Shanahan had everything given to him. Gibbs and Zorn had way less. He needed a bubble practice field and he got one. He wanted to move to Richmond. He got it. He wanted a new weight room. He got it. He wanted a new painted atmosphere. He got it. He wanted to be in charge of personel. He got it. He wanted to hire his friends like Burns. He got it. He wanted last say. He got it. Why is it Snyders fault? Nuff said.

The next coach needs to put together a real staff. Please let there be checks and balances for the rest and including coaching in the next FO. No more egotistical coaches please.