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Deadskins wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:I really hope these rumors about Briles are false. That would be the quickest way to alienate the locker room if they hire him.

Me too. Not because I think it would alienate the locker room, but because I think it would be a repeat of the Spurrier fiasco.

Even worse it would probably be its own completely new and unique fiasco. A fiasco like you've never even imagined.

I'm getting tired of this - I really had high hopes that we were turning the corner when Dan gave up what he did to bring in Mike …

I never like the way Mike carried himself but then these guys all have huge egos and …. well, he had had some success in Denver

I guess the hiring of his son kind of made me a little nervous but the kid had done a good job in Houston - our offense is not going to require too much
removing the cap and having the FO & scouting guys find some players will be a huge help to the defense and the special teams


Here we are - I am a bit nervous but I think that this will resolve itself and the media will be shown to have blown just about everything WAY out of proportion

Sorry Mike - maybe it's time to bring in some new blood - there are some good players and coaches here

we need to see more passion and maybe the change will bring that out in some of these guys

hail

Shannahan is staying next year. Mark my words. He needs to see this crap out, and if he fails he fails. We would get another top draft pick to start over.

riggofan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:I really hope these rumors about Briles are false. That would be the quickest way to alienate the locker room if they hire him.

Me too. Not because I think it would alienate the locker room, but because I think it would be a repeat of the Spurrier fiasco.

Even worse it would probably be its own completely new and unique fiasco. A fiasco like you've never even imagined.

It's sad how probable that outcome is. Am I not going to enjoy watching the Redskins again until 2017?

SkinsJock wrote:I'm getting tired of this - I really had high hopes that we were turning the corner when Dan gave up what he did to bring in Mike …

I never like the way Mike carried himself but then these guys all have huge egos and …. well, he had had some success in Denver

I guess the hiring of his son kind of made me a little nervous but the kid had done a good job in Houston - our offense is not going to require too much
removing the cap and having the FO & scouting guys find some players will be a huge help to the defense and the special teams


Here we are - I am a bit nervous but I think that this will resolve itself and the media will be shown to have blown just about everything WAY out of proportion

Sorry Mike - maybe it's time to bring in some new blood - there are some good players and coaches here

we need to see more passion and maybe the change will bring that out in some of these guys

hail

One thing we can both agree on is most of us wanted Shanahan to succeed. Well at least he wont hurt the team intentionally is what I thought after a while. Man was I wrong. What he did was unforgivable. That leak should have never have happened. Until he is proven innocent all evidence points his way. He wont deny it.

I really think Snyder needs to come out and say, I am doing things differently than in the past. I'm not going to make a coaching change less than 12 months after a division title. I'm not going to make a knee jerk reaction to things that were out of our control this year. We have a QB on this roster that we are very excited for. We have a coaching staff that is tops in the game. I'm sticking with the plan and seeing what happens next year with everything in place as is.

By coming out and saying this, the guy is gonna put Shanny in a corner. He's also gonna be praised IMO by this fan base and get some respect back nationally for being an impulse owner. This is an opportunity for him to redo his past sins, and ultimately, I think this franchise will be better for it. It would elevate him above this circus. I think this is the play

Is there any traction to this??? :

Shanny was ready to leave and Snyder knew but the strong finish changed minds. Then knee-gate happened. We went from Cloud Nine to Mudville in about 2 hours.

Shanny couldn't leave us in the lurch. Lack of contract extension explained.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Look, the Redskins are a mess... but let's chalk it up to a lost season and move on.

Bogus cap penalties and injuries killed this team. Can we really blame Shanahan and Haslet for not bringing able to afford any secondary help? How about for injuries to Carriker or Bowen? What about blaming them for the drop off of London Fletcher? Should we blame them for Sleepy Davis falling apart? Can we blame them for lacking the money to upgrade the offensive line?

Fact is, this team has a ton of talent that fits a system. Hitting the reset button means starting over from scratch, teaching RGIII a new system and flipping our current roster. No thanks.

Sure bench your franchise QB all the while your arrogant retarded son is still calling retarded plays. Chris Chester and Tyler Polumbus are the worst lineman in the league and they STILL start. I won't even go there about Special Teams and Defense. But I forgot RGIII plays those positions as well so benching him will fix all the problems. All because RGIII went back to Snyder and told him what pieces of crap Mike and son are, now Mike has a axe to grind! I say CURB the last 3 generations of the Shanahans....Douchebags......

chiefhog44 wrote:I really think Snyder needs to come out and say, I am doing things differently than in the past. I'm not going to make a coaching change less than 12 months after a division title. I'm not going to make a knee jerk reaction to things that were out of our control this year. We have a QB on this roster that we are very excited for. We have a coaching staff that is tops in the game. I'm sticking with the plan and seeing what happens next year with everything in place as is.

By coming out and saying this, the guy is gonna put Shanny in a corner. He's also gonna be praised IMO by this fan base and get some respect back nationally for being an impulse owner. This is an opportunity for him to redo his past sins, and ultimately, I think this franchise will be better for it. It would elevate him above this circus. I think this is the play

Sorry dude your way off. Chester and Polumbus have been beyond terrible and no one has even thought about Gettis, Compton?? Prior to the winning FLUKE last year Shanacrap already packed it in by his statement he made at 3-6 and then the truth coming out about him wanting to leave. This further adds merits to him being nothing without ELWAY!

Get this pretender out of here, his son, Keith Burns, Haslett, Slowick and the rest of this pathetic coaching staff and take about 9-11 players with you starting with Fletcher, Moss, Chester, Polumbus, Wilson, Morgan, Biggers along with any "person" that has the gall to post not to fire Shanahan I swear the human condition depresses me more and more everyday.....

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One thing we can both agree on is most of us wanted Shanahan to succeed. Well at least he wont hurt the team intentionally is what I thought after a while. Man was I wrong. What he did was unforgivable. That leak should have never have happened. Until he is proven innocent all evidence points his way. He wont deny it.[/quote]

Wanting him to succeed and being stuck with the LARGE PINK elephant in the room are two totally different things. Shanahan was never going to succeed here, main reason he is nothing without Elway and his tenure since Elway retired SCREAMS THAT. Secondly hiring Haslett and your son as the coordinators was the last 2 nails in this coffin. Can someone please just fire this tool, let RGIII come out and tell the truth about how backwards this whole coaching staff is and has been.

I wish Shanahan and son would choke on the BS they both have fed us since coming here...........

DarthMonk wrote:Is there any traction to this??? :

Shanny was ready to leave and Snyder knew but the strong finish changed minds. Then knee-gate happened. We went from Cloud Nine to Mudville in about 2 hours.

Shanny couldn't leave us in the lurch. Lack of contract extension explained.

That is as good as a guess as any. It makes sense. It appears that way at least.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... d-to-quit/

“I’ll just say this. I didn’t know about the office part that Dan Graziano reported over the weekend,” he said. “That was like, ‘Well, I didn’t know that one.’ But I knew how Mike felt about certain things. So that doesn’t surprise me at all. At one point I thought he would do that. But he didn’t and he stayed on. The office part was something I didn’t know about. That kinda caught me.

“I think people know how RGIII feels about Mike,” he said. “And again, we can sugarcoat this all we want. We can dry to dress it up and call it ‘lukewarm.’ The bottom line is, he doesn’t like the coach and I don’t think he wants the coach here. Period. And we talked about this, the little triangle of power here in the organization, there are two guys on one side and one on the other. Two guys will win, one guy’s gonna lose. Although in this case, everybody loses.”

Shannahan just confirmed that the, quitting in the offseason, rumor is NOT true on 980 if anyone cares. I'm telling you guys, this guy is gonna be back next year. I don't think the players are pissed at Shanny. They realize Robert was not the QB he was last year, realize he was getting too big for his britches, and the team was hurt by the cap. Robert needed to eat some humble pie and ultimately, he needs to get off his high horse. I really think Snyder needs to consider bringing Shanny back with Haslett and Burns replaced. I'm the ONLY fan in the world that feels this way, so whatever, no need to berate me. I don't like who Shannahan is in front of the media. He seems snake like, but I am really wondering if this seasons failure is more to do about how much Robert has elevated himself above the team with his offseason BS diva attitude. The whole documentary really put a sour taste in my mouth. I mean ultimately, if you can't walk the walk you shouldn't talk the talk with all your socks, hair, sleeve, glove, yaddy yaddy. I don't mind it if you're killing it on the field, but otherwise, just shut up.

chiefhog44 wrote:Shannahan just confirmed that the, quitting in the offseason, rumor is NOT true on 980 if anyone cares. I'm telling you guys, this guy is gonna be back next year. I don't think the players are pissed at Shanny. They realize Robert was not the QB he was last year, realize he was getting too big for his britches, and the team was hurt by the cap. Robert needed to eat some humble pie and ultimately, he needs to get off his high horse. I really think Snyder needs to consider bringing Shanny back with Haslett and Burns replaced. I'm the ONLY fan in the world that feels this way, so whatever, no need to berate me. I don't like who Shannahan is in front of the media. He seems snake like, but I am really wondering if this seasons failure is more to do about how much Robert has elevated himself above the team with his offseason BS diva attitude. The whole documentary really put a sour taste in my mouth. I mean ultimately, if you can't walk the walk you shouldn't talk the talk with all your socks, hair, sleeve, glove, yaddy yaddy. I don't mind it if you're killing it on the field, but otherwise, just shut up.

Nobody should berate you, man! Honestly your opinion and the theories you've posed here are as good a guess as any others I've read here. The way things have changed surrounding this story from day to day, its really hard to know what the truth is. There is nothing that would be surprise me at the end of the season.

chiefhog44 wrote:I really think Snyder needs to consider bringing Shanny back with Haslett and Burns replaced. I'm the ONLY fan in the world that feels this way

Not at all. That was the consensus opinion here before this whole poop storm erupted last week.

riggofan wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:Shannahan just confirmed that the, quitting in the offseason, rumor is NOT true on 980 if anyone cares.
I'm telling you guys, this guy is gonna be back next year. I don't think the players are pissed at Shanny. They realize Robert was not the QB he was last year, realize he was getting too big for his britches, and the team was hurt by the cap. Robert needed to eat some humble pie and ultimately, he needs to get off his high horse. I really think Snyder needs to consider bringing Shanny back with Haslett and Burns replaced. ….
I don't like who Shannahan is in front of the media. He seems snake like, but I am really wondering if this seasons failure is more to do about how much Robert has elevated himself above the team with his offseason BS diva attitude. …
I don't mind it if you're killing it on the field, but otherwise, just shut up.

Nobody should berate you, man! Honestly your opinion and the theories you've posted here are as good a guess as any others I've read here. The way things have changed surrounding this story from day to day, its really hard to know what the truth is. There is nothing that would be surprise me at the end of the season.

I think that many here were recently thinking that the best path might be to bring Mike back … and then the BS started and was not 'managed' very well
I don't agree that Robert is as bad as some are making out but I do agree that he needs to work a lot harder at being a better QB than he has shown this season
time to man up here …

I don't like Mike as a coach much but IF Mike, Kyle and Robert trust each other, I don't see why we need to make a change at HC or with the management by Mike

Mike does need to come off his high horse a little as well here and do a better job with the personnel he brings in, both coaches and players

IF Dan thinks that Mike and Kyle have a good relationship as far as the coach and QB are concerned - he needs to let him have his last year and see where we are

Mike may not want to stay here with all that's going down but I really think the BS about Dan - RG3 - Mike is just that = BS

the most important thing here is Robert has been benched and he needs to make every effort he can to be as good a QB as he can be
Robert does not seem to have worked as hard as he needs to - he's a lot better than what we've seen recently

chiefhog44 wrote:Shannahan just confirmed that the, quitting in the offseason, rumor is NOT true on 980 if anyone cares. I'm telling you guys, this guy is gonna be back next year. I don't think the players are pissed at Shanny. They realize Robert was not the QB he was last year, realize he was getting too big for his britches, and the team was hurt by the cap. Robert needed to eat some humble pie and ultimately, he needs to get off his high horse. I really think Snyder needs to consider bringing Shanny back with Haslett and Burns replaced. I'm the ONLY fan in the world that feels this way, so whatever, no need to berate me. I don't like who Shannahan is in front of the media. He seems snake like, but I am really wondering if this seasons failure is more to do about how much Robert has elevated himself above the team with his offseason BS diva attitude. The whole documentary really put a sour taste in my mouth. I mean ultimately, if you can't walk the walk you shouldn't talk the talk with all your socks, hair, sleeve, glove, yaddy yaddy. I don't mind it if you're killing it on the field, but otherwise, just shut up.

He didn't deny the story all week. So now he does right? Sure I believe him. Had he done this Sunday after the game different story.

Deadskins wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:I really think Snyder needs to consider bringing Shanny back with Haslett and Burns replaced. I'm the ONLY fan in the world that feels this way

Not at all. That was the consensus opinion here before this whole poop storm erupted last week.

I should have said I'm the only one fan in the world that feels this way STILL... Leave it to the media to crush any hope of stability around here. Shanny needs to be given another year.

I also think Bruce needs to invite Fletcher into his office after the season for a closed door meeting. Fletcher can give him a pulse as to what is really going on around here. How the team feels about Robert, the coaches etc.

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:Shannahan just confirmed that the, quitting in the offseason, rumor is NOT true on 980 if anyone cares.
I'm telling you guys, this guy is gonna be back next year. I don't think the players are pissed at Shanny. They realize Robert was not the QB he was last year, realize he was getting too big for his britches, and the team was hurt by the cap. Robert needed to eat some humble pie and ultimately, he needs to get off his high horse. I really think Snyder needs to consider bringing Shanny back with Haslett and Burns replaced. ….
I don't like who Shannahan is in front of the media. He seems snake like, but I am really wondering if this seasons failure is more to do about how much Robert has elevated himself above the team with his offseason BS diva attitude. …
I don't mind it if you're killing it on the field, but otherwise, just shut up.

Nobody should berate you, man! Honestly your opinion and the theories you've posted here are as good a guess as any others I've read here. The way things have changed surrounding this story from day to day, its really hard to know what the truth is. There is nothing that would be surprise me at the end of the season.

I think that many here were recently thinking that the best path might be to bring Mike back … and then the BS started and was not 'managed' very well
I don't agree that Robert is as bad as some are making out but I do agree that he needs to work a lot harder at being a better QB than he has shown this season
time to man up here …

I don't like Mike as a coach much but IF Mike, Kyle and Robert trust each other, I don't see why we need to make a change at HC or with the management by Mike

Mike does need to come off his high horse a little as well here and do a better job with the personnel he brings in, both coaches and players

IF Dan thinks that Mike and Kyle have a good relationship as far as the coach and QB are concerned - he needs to let him have his last year and see where we are

Mike may not want to stay here with all that's going down but I really think the BS about Dan - RG3 - Mike is just that = BS

the most important thing here is Robert has been benched and he needs to make every effort he can to be as good a QB as he can be
Robert does not seem to have worked as hard as he needs to - he's a lot better than what we've seen recently

Agree, everyone is in a pissing match, and it's going to take Robert, Mike and Dan to have a little flexibility. IF that happens, this year could be the best thing we could have ever hoped for. A little medicine for a diva player, a little medicine for a control freak egomaniac coach, and a little reminder to stay away from the team for a meddling owner.

Otherwise, I worry about Jason Cambell syndrome by changing offensive schemes every two years on a rookie QB.

I agree - everyone that we have here, owner, HC, GM and Robert … ALL need to be honest with themselves (not with us) and own up to their BIG mistakes this past year

we can all come out of this stronger IMO if ALL these guys learn from this BS and move forward … despite the dire projections from the media

This thread



3-10, 24-37 overall record, countless blown leads, coming off a 45-10 whipping, but if we just give him one more year!!!

But then next year they won't have a young first round pick. He'll need to have an extra year for the first round pick to get added. But then he'll be young. He'll need longer.

Goodness, when can we expect results? Or are some of you so beat down as fans that 3-10 and 35 point losses at home are acceptable and that "culture" is prevailing?

There is no question that Shanahan came into a mess. In the first couple years, he seemed to have taken care of it but now it looks like his selections have degenerated back into the same mess. The O-line has always been a mess, even with the success of last year. The defense is and has been a mess giving up points at a phenomenal rate. The offense can't score. I took a wait and see attitude with Shanahan and what I see now is more embarrassing that when Spurrier was here. Shanahan has had four years and is right back where he started. As for Joe Gibbs, Gibbs II was a total failure, why opt for Gibbs III. IMO. bringing Shanahan back for another year is just wasting time. Fire Shanahan and this time, find an up and coming young coach instead of an over-the-hill has been who has a glamorous resume.

Smithian wrote:This thread

I've seen this one. They are being disciplined but an unfeeling being. Sound familiar?

looks like a reasonable response to all that is happening

or

maybe a little over the top ….

aswas71788 wrote:Gibbs II was a total failure

Two playoff appearances in four years with one playoff win is total failure?

chiefhog44 wrote:Shannahan just confirmed that the, quitting in the offseason, rumor is NOT true on 980 if anyone cares. I'm telling you guys, this guy is gonna be back next year. I don't think the players are pissed at Shanny. They realize Robert was not the QB he was last year, realize he was getting too big for his britches, and the team was hurt by the cap. Robert needed to eat some humble pie and ultimately, he needs to get off his high horse. I really think Snyder needs to consider bringing Shanny back with Haslett and Burns replaced. I'm the ONLY fan in the world that feels this way, so whatever, no need to berate me. I don't like who Shannahan is in front of the media. He seems snake like, but I am really wondering if this seasons failure is more to do about how much Robert has elevated himself above the team with his offseason BS diva attitude. The whole documentary really put a sour taste in my mouth. I mean ultimately, if you can't walk the walk you shouldn't talk the talk with all your socks, hair, sleeve, glove, yaddy yaddy. I don't mind it if you're killing it on the field, but otherwise, just shut up.

While I don't see any way (after all of this BS popped up) how Shanahan will be here next year, I agree with everything you said. I think Shanny wants to return next year, and I don't believe the nonsense that he's trying to get fired. I do think he's tired with Griffin, and Griffin is tired with the Shanahans.