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riggofan wrote:

markshark84 wrote:Didn't read the entire thread. If that's what he said, I can understand your thought process on that. The only way it would differ is if that first statement was related to execution (i.e., awful at execution opposed to awful talent-wise) --- but I'm not going to go back and check on that. I'll take your word for it.

I mean, to be fair, "our offense sucks" is an opinion. I just don't think its a very interesting opinion. What does it leave to discuss?

There were some good things that happened with the offense on Sunday. I thought Jordan Reed stood out. RGIII looked more like himself the way he was running. He ran for 77 yards and really should have had a rushing TD. We were much better on third down.

Obviously none of that changes the bad stuff on offense. He threw too many passes way off target and some wobbly passes. Offensive line problems. Seemed like it took forever to get the running game going. That terrible fumble.

Anyway whatever. I just don't think this is the Rex Grossman Redskins team that just sucks and has no hope of improving.

As far as your first comment ---- that is one of my major issues with posters. A lot of time they just issue an opinion, claim it as fact and don't provide any support -- and then are angry when I disagree with facts.

I do think that mormon is correct in his second assertion that our offense is not executing well. I personally believe that is the reason why we only put up an average of around 15 ppg --- while being 10th in both rushing and passing this year. Scoring is a HUGE cause for concern. I think some of that has to do with play calling, but more with how different RGIII is last year vs. this year --- and all that goes with that.

As far as whether this is a team that is "Grossmanlike" --- I think the majority of our "hope for improvement" is based on the fact RGIII will get better. I 100% believe he's improving, but am not sold that he will ever again be the QB he was in 2012. Now if RGIII doesn't show even more improvement over the next 5-10 weeks, we'll be in that "Grossmanlike" position.

riggofan wrote:Anyway whatever. I just don't think this is the Rex Grossman Redskins team that just sucks and has no hope of improving.

I don't think anyone on here has said there is no hope of improving. Have I said the season is over? No. Have I said our offense sucks? Yes. Because they do, thus far. You can't keep kicking field goals and turning the ball over and expect to win games. The only time we've scored an offensive touchdown this year was when we were already down. That needs to change. And despite what some people think, our offense has been playing awful football all year. Driving down the field is irrelevant if you can't score the TD in the red zone.

My post game thoughts? We stink.

End of.

StorminMormon86 wrote: Driving down the field is irrelevant if you can't score the TD in the red zone.

Let's agree on that!

riggofan wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote: Driving down the field is irrelevant if you can't score the TD in the red zone.

Let's agree on that!

I honestly don't think our opinions are that far away from each others. Both of us believe the offense can improve, and I believe we both agree that the season is not over yet. I do however question Griffin's improvement, because a lot of his mistakes have been mental, IMO. If he's still playing medicore come week 12, I think we are in some serious trouble.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

riggofan wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote: Driving down the field is irrelevant if you can't score the TD in the red zone.

Let's agree on that!

I honestly don't think our opinions are that far away from each others. Both of us believe the offense can improve, and I believe we both agree that the season is not over yet. I do however question Griffin's improvement, because a lot of his mistakes have been mental, IMO. If he's still playing medicore come week 12, I think we are in some serious trouble.

I get that. I don't think he was lights out against Dallas or anything, but honestly in that first game v. Philly I thought he looked about as comfortable as he did playing against the Seahawks with his knee shredded.

This whole thing is tough though. I can argue all I want that RGIII looks more like his old self. That's not going to change the fact that we have Denver, Chicago, KC, 49ers, etc; all coming up in the next few weeks. Man, it is REALLY hard to see where we're going to get a win and turn this thing around.

markshark84 wrote:As far as whether this is a team that is "Grossmanlike" --- I think the majority of our "hope for improvement" is based on the fact RGIII will get better. I 100% believe he's improving, but am not sold that he will ever again be the QB he was in 2012.

I actually hope this experience is teaching him more to read defenses and slide around in the pocket, instead of just taking off. Then he'd be an even better QB than last year. The future lies as a passing QB with mobility, not a mobile QB with passing. It's a mindset change, and is asking him to do something he's never had to do before. I do see signs of it...his movement in the always collapsing pocket against Dallas was extremely encouraging.

However, in that game, he was inaccurate, when he's normally extremely accurate. And that was not encouraging. But as that was his first game under 50% completion, I suspect (and hope) that's just a bad game, not a trend.

UK Skins Fan wrote:My post game thoughts? We stink.

End of.

If thats your opinion its wrong. If thats a fact you're right and I agree with you.

riggofan wrote: I can argue all I want that RGIII looks more like his old self. That's not going to change the fact that we have Denver, Chicago, KC, 49ers, etc; all coming up in the next few weeks. Man, it is REALLY hard to see where we're going to get a win and turn this thing around.

You see, that's where I don't see how Griffin is turning into the Griffin from 2012. Remember against the Saints last year in week 1? No one thought we would win that one. Some may have thought (including myself) that we would hold our own and them lose a close one, but Griffin came out guns blazin' and destroyed them. That's the Griffin I want to see back. Not even the gimpy Griffin towards the end of 2012, who relied more on Morris rather than his passing. I just haven't seen any glimpses of the Griffin of 2012, outside of a few runs and a couple of missed deep throws.

(d)oink wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:My post game thoughts? We stink.

End of.

If thats your opinion its wrong. If thats a fact you're right and I agree with you.

The fact is that it's both. In my opinion

Our record certainly suggests that it's fact. I refuse to delude myself into thinking that we've been unlucky, that it's entirely down to RG3's "rust", that we were unlucky to play the Eagles first up, that the Lions were just a bad matchup for us, that it was just a couple of special teams breakdowns that cost us against the Cowboys.

In isolation, there MIGHT be some truth in all those factors. But when all are taken together, the only conclusion is that the Redskins just aren't good enough to overcome any kind of obstacle or "bad luck". In other words, they're not very good.

In the recent history of the Redskins, it was last year's season-ending charge that was the aberration - the brief moment of excellence in a long, turgid spell of crappiness.

Still, the NFL is a crazy league these days, and there's always next year.....

If we can run off seven in a row last year. Whos to say we couldn't do the same this year?

12-4 is still possible ...

SkinsJock wrote::shock: 12-4 is still possible ...

It is possible the government will start back up at noon today.

HEROHAMO wrote:If we can run off seven in a row last year. Whos to say we couldn't do the same this year?

Our schedule.

HEROHAMO wrote:If we can run off seven in a row last year. Whos to say we couldn't do the same this year?

Damn, you guys get excellent pharmaceuticals over there

UK Skins Fan wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:If we can run off seven in a row last year. Whos to say we couldn't do the same this year?

Damn, you guys get excellent pharmaceuticals over there

We do now.

the Redskins are not playing as well as they can ...




something else also bothers me, a little

we don't see the quality of posts or critical thinking from posters that know what is happening on the field at this site that we had in seasons past


is there another Redskins fan site?

SkinsJock wrote:we don't see the quality of posts or critical thinking from posters that know what is happening on the field at this site that we had in seasons past

You have almost 12,000 posts. Riddle solved.

I know that I don't know a lot about the 'game' .. there used to be a number of posters here that did understand a thing or two about what was happening and they were able to clarify what was going on

It is very clear to me that is NOT the case anymore

Dallas has a lot of weapons and none of them burned us on offense. Defense did play better. RG3 looked better but gun shy, he had multiple time to tuck it, get the 1st down and GET DOWN...he still took shots at the sideline. I dont think he is a s smart as he portrayed himself. Kyle S...is to blame the most IMO...Hardly any read option calls YET he uses the formations...if you dont establish it, how are ya gonna trick them? You aint fooling nobody. Whats this WR in the backfield crap? Lead blocker on runs and pretty useless on passing out of that. Making those formations a Garcon, Reed option. If ya gonna hold RG3 in the pocket....USE BETTER FORMATIONS WITH WEAPONS! 3 wr sets....QUIT using the stretch to the short side of the field and giving the defense another defender called the SIDELINE, you know that BIG white stripe the dumb a-- coaches couldnt stay off and out of the way...

SkinsJock wrote:I know that I don't know a lot about the 'game' .. there used to be a number of posters here that did understand a thing or two about what was happening and they were able to clarify what was going on

It is very clear to me that is NOT the case anymore

What's going on is coaches trying to get water from a rock out of majority of these players. We have a small group of truly talented players; until there are upgrades, we'll continue this roller coaster ride.

Whenever you have players who aren't "natural ballers" working together as a single unit, you can have what we did last year (success) Sounds nice, but the reality is its not sustainable; short-lived success.

Sure, we could come back together and start working as a single unit, but to be a consistently dominant team, we need more ballers. This core isn't going to cut it, but they can give us some moments.

Nothing personal btw; I just think our expectations are too high for this team in the long haul. I want a dominating team for yrs to come.

a bunch of players playing together will have more success than getting a bunch of VERY talented players in here that don't suit ...

this team is actually pretty much the same with "additions" if anything from the group that won the NFC East - they are not looking 'better' so far

Anyone saying this team is getting better is nothing more than fools gold. Last year's winning streak was luck. Face facts people this Shanahan experiment has and will continue to fail. Kyle has regressed in playcalling. This team thought they were actually good because of last years freak win streak. Our offensive line other than Trent are no better than average practice team players, our Special Teams coach is a moron and couldn't coach pee wee. Our defense is still bad and Orakpo is over rated. This entire team will continue to be bad. The only difference is now there is a franchise QB that will fail because of immaturity, arrogance and coaching to boot. This is the definition of a no win situation. Washington should change it's name from redskins to deadskins, because they haven't been seriously good or relevant for over 2 decades so yeah they are dead..............

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Anyone saying this team is getting better is nothing more than fools gold. Last year's winning streak was luck. Face facts people this Shanahan experiment has and will continue to fail. Kyle has regressed in playcalling. This team thought they were actually good because of last years freak win streak. Our offensive line other than Trent are no better than average practice team players, our Special Teams coach is a moron and couldn't coach pee wee. Our defense is still bad and Orakpo is over rated. This entire team will continue to be bad. The only difference is now there is a franchise QB that will fail because of immaturity, arrogance and coaching to boot. This is the definition of a no win situation. Washington should change it's name from redskins to deadskins, because they haven't been seriously good or relevant for over 2 decades so yeah they are dead..............

I am so sorry that you have no other choice but to be a "fan" of this team. How awful for you. Would you like a hug?

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Anyone saying this team is getting better is nothing more than fools gold. Last year's winning streak was luck. Face facts people this Shanahan experiment has and will continue to fail. Kyle has regressed in playcalling. This team thought they were actually good because of last years freak win streak. Our offensive line other than Trent are no better than average practice team players, our Special Teams coach is a moron and couldn't coach pee wee. Our defense is still bad and Orakpo is over rated. This entire team will continue to be bad. The only difference is now there is a franchise QB that will fail because of immaturity, arrogance and coaching to boot. This is the definition of a no win situation. Washington should change it's name from redskins to deadskins, because they haven't been seriously good or relevant for over 2 decades so yeah they are dead..............

what a waste of time ... I feel even more silly for reading it twice

I will not be reading any of more of your posts - a complete waste of time