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^^ interesting perspective about the Taylor 'mess' ... I agree, it's a good time to close that up ...

I will add that this seems to me to be another example of how well this franchise is being managed - there is NO WAY that we would have 'found' a potential 'fit' like this a few years ago

these guys don't add players for any reason than what they may offer here and they will ONLY keep him as long as he offers something to our franchise


I like what the video showed and I hope this kid gets another chance - great story

44diesel wrote:I know someone posted this link a while back in another thread, but CLL's point made me think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nUJkVIX0jI

Wishful thinking, probably, but it's fun to think about the possibilities having two QBs can bring to an offense and as CT pointed out, Kyle was not afraid to get creative last year. Although sometimes too creative (RGIII catching that pass in the Steelers game).

At the very least it's fun to think this move may make some D-Coordinators sweat a little bit more this year.

Definitely! It's exciting to think about the possibilities. And I appreciate the link, I don't feel crazy any more.

Deadskins wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

markshark84 wrote:I could see him filling in for RGIII and then getting placed on the practice team --- which would force the NYG or any other division rival to sign him to their 53 in order to get him. Personally, that is what I think is the most likely scenario.

He'd have to clear waivers first and become a FA, to then be signed to the practice squad. NY could sign him to their practice squad once he's a FA, and never have to add him to the 53.

Couldn't we just sign him from thier practice squad of they did?

Then we'd have to put him on our 53. Why cut him first, only to do that?

Just to et the gnats if they tried to scoop him I guess.. more of a #justsayin post then anything.

1niksder wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:We need to stop thinking of him as ONLY a QB and it'll start to make more sense. We potentially got our Percy Harvin, albeit with a diff skillset. He just happens to have been a QB, run the option and be available for cheap.

Let think outside the box... but lets look in the box to see why we are thinking the way we are.

Everybody hasn't seen his skill set, they have only read about his one year in the pros. They forget he was the 44th pick in the NFL draft 4 years ago (under the new CBA... the Dolphins would be deciding if they wanted to pick up his option or not instead he's a on the Redskins roster after being drafted with a Redskins draft pick). With Pat White under contract everyone that hated the Jason Taylor trade can let it go

The fact is Pat White gives Klye more options but with a healthy RGIII Ain't a Damn Thang Changed

EXACTLY !!

This kid is just another example of these guys doing their due diligence and finding a player that might help and at a position where we might need another player

we did not sign him to make sure he couldn't help another franchise - he's here and he'll be given an opportunity - EVERY player here is competing for a chance - that's why we are where we are

we're hampered by this cap BS but these guys are doing everything they can to try and have a unit that can defend the NFC East title



the video of Pat White shows a lot - this kid could make the roster .... but he'll have to earn it

Deadskins wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

markshark84 wrote:I could see him filling in for RGIII and then getting placed on the practice team --- which would force the NYG or any other division rival to sign him to their 53 in order to get him. Personally, that is what I think is the most likely scenario.

He'd have to clear waivers first and become a FA, to then be signed to the practice squad. NY could sign him to their practice squad once he's a FA, and never have to add him to the 53.

Couldn't we just sign him from thier practice squad of they did?

Then we'd have to put him on our 53. Why cut him first, only to do that?

LOL.

SkinsJock wrote:
the video of Pat White shows a lot - this kid could make the roster .... but he'll have to earn it

Ummm... well... yeah. This player is not just a camp arm. They are not bringing him here merely to run the scout team. They see something here, and it might not be as "just another quarterback".

44diesel wrote:I know someone posted this link a while back in another thread, but CLL's point made me think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nUJkVIX0jI

Wishful thinking, probably, but it's fun to think about the possibilities having two QBs can bring to an offense and as CT pointed out, Kyle was not afraid to get creative last year. Although sometimes too creative (RGIII catching that pass in the Steelers game).

At the very least it's fun to think this move may make some D-Coordinators sweat a little bit more this year.

That is sick crazy. Enough confusion to make it nearly indefensible. I likes.

This is a good move all the way. Two QB offense? Interesting to say the least. Would love to see it in the NFL.

To me this signing is very similar to signing Tavaris Jackson. They are similar talents. I'm thinking White is younger, came cheaper, and there are more questions about him ... but had we signed Jackson we'd be making many similar comments, conjectures as to how we might use him, etc.

Well I have to disagree. Just because they are both running QBs does not mean they are the same caliber of player.

I actually think Pat White has more potential then Jackson has. Tavaris has already proven he is not a starting caliber QB. I think with the right coaching Pat could be successful maybe even become a starter some day on another team.

HEROHAMO wrote:Well I have to disagree. Just because they are both running QBs does not mean they are the same caliber of player.

Never said they were. But to deny similar skill sets is silly.

HEROHAMO wrote:I actually think Pat White has more potential then Jackson has.

Me too ... well ... maybe. He (White) is a little younger and probably a little faster though his arm is probably not as strong. Jackson is clearly more developed at this point.

HEROHAMO wrote:Tavaris has already proven he is not a starting caliber QB. I think with the right coaching Pat could be successful maybe even become a starter some day on another team.

Jackson has started in the NFL. He'll probably start for Buffalo this year. His career numbers (59%, 38 TD, 35 INT) say he's essentially a Rex (55%, 56 TD, 60 INT) with a much stronger arm and the ability to run - fast and elusively.

This is my claim: Had we signed Jackson a few months ago most of us would have been caught off guard (like with White) and our comments and conjectures would be very similar to what we are seeing in this thread. For instance, we'd probably talk about how he was finally going to get good coaching, run scout team, be used creatively, etc. We' mostly be on board - just like most of us are for White.

Of course, we'd also have the head-scratching 4-QB questions followed by quotes with explanations.

DarthMonk wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Tavaris has already proven he is not a starting caliber QB. I think with the right coaching Pat could be successful maybe even become a starter some day on another team.

Jackson has started in the NFL. He'll probably start for Buffalo this year. His career numbers (59%, 38 TD, 35 INT) say he's essentially a Rex (55%, 56 TD, 60 INT) with a much stronger arm and the ability to run - fast and elusively..

Apples and Oranges.... Having started DOES NOT make one a starting caliber QB....

DarthMonk wrote:This is my claim: Had we signed Jackson a few months ago most of us would have been caught off guard (like with White) and our comments and conjectures would be very similar to what we are seeing in this thread. For instance, we'd probably talk about how he was finally going to get good coaching, run scout team, be used creatively, etc. We' mostly be on board - just like most of us are for White.

Of course, we'd also have the head-scratching 4-QB questions followed by quotes with explanations.

No. First of all, Jackson has decided that he is a quarterback... and will likely not be satisfied with being cast into any "hybrid" or "non-quarterback" role.
Second, Jackson has already demonstrated his ceiling... I don't see him in a back-up role, as I don't see that he has that ability. White is unknown, true... however, he is desperate, and will not buck any role offered him. I, for one, would be unhappy, were Tavaris Jackson a Redskin.
Third, Jackson would be considerably more expensive.

^ I know there are differences and similarities. I'm not saying they are the same person. I already addressed relative cost.

I'm simply saying we'd all be reacting in almost the same way had we signed Jackson instead.

I think many of us have a tendency to knee-jerk agree with Shanny's moves while many others have a tendency to knee-jerk the other way.

Had I started a thread about signing White 2 months ago I probably would have gotten a lot of this



and this



as well as good old-fashioned pillorying. Do you really doubt that?

It's kinda funny. White may turn out to be a great addition. He has experienced a lot a failure and all of a sudden he's this inspired pick-up that can potentially help our team in so many ways. I hope he is.

BTW - whether or not Jackson is starting caliber is beside the point.

DarthMonk wrote:I'm simply saying we'd all be reacting in almost the same way had we signed Jackson instead.

I think many of us have a tendency to knee-jerk agree with Shanny's moves while many others have a tendency to knee-jerk the other way.

Had I started a thread about signing White 2 months ago I probably would have gotten a lot of this



and this



as well as good old-fashioned pillorying. Do you really doubt that?

Well... you didn't, so we won't know...

It's kinda funny. White may turn out to be a great addition. He has experienced a lot a failure and all of a sudden he's this inspired pick-up that can potentially help our team in so many ways. I hope he is.

I have a feeling that they are trying to stay ahead of the learning curve of other teams as they attempt to account for the RG3 factor... I don't know if White is an answer... but I do think there's more to this than a camp arm.

BTW - whether or not Jackson is starting caliber is beside the point.

perhaps... but you were certainly willing to engage that argument a couple of responses above...

Pat White offers this franchise something - Tavaris Jackson offers this franchise very little

some might think that Tavaris Jackson is a 'starting' QB - most of us do not see ANY potential in ANYTHING to do with Tavaris Jacckson ....

Pat White is an option - Tavaris Jackson is NOT

one wants an opportunity the other thinks he is something that he is NOT

Though I understand everyone saying what he can do and add and all the mushy inspirational stuff.. he's a bum.

I'd take Tavaris Jackson over him in a half second, keeping in mind he's also.. a bum.

That is all, thank you.

Jackson is more of a QB than White...

White is more of an athelete/utility player than Jackson...

White is being brought in to mimic RGIII and to assist the rest of the team in staying fresh with RGIII's version of the offense. But it's my opinion that White, IF SUCCESSFUL AT IT is being brought in to be a utility player for us. He'll add a wrinkle and LASTLY to be an emergency third QB.

Bringing Jackson in would muddy who the second string QB should be. Why would you go from a "RGIII offense", to a scaled back "Kirk Offense" and then back to a quasi "RGIII offense" with your third QB? It could be argued that you might as well make Jackson the number two and keep the offense more similar to RGIII's version. It could also be argued that Kirk can run enough of the "RGIII offense" to make Jackson a worthless addition because Kirk is the better quarterback. The disparity between Jackson and Kirks running ability isn't as large as the dispartiy between their passing ability, it could be argued.

So with that being said... LOL This makes sense if you (like me) think that Pat is being brought in as more than a camp arm.

With Jackson in, you'd truly have three QB's on the roster. Mike only runs with 2 QB's..., and he wants to keep Rex as a mentor. With White, Mike get's an athlete on the field and an emergency QB all in one... It makes perfect sense.

Pat White - QB - Redskins

Redskins QB Pat White said he's willing to play other positions if he needs to do so in order to make the team.

"Whatever the coaches ask of me, I will do it with the best of my abilities," White said. "My heart's set on being a quarterback, but I am willing to play other positions and will do whatever it takes to help the team." Back in 2010, he was strongly opposed to playing receiver for the Dolphins, but he now knows that he's not much of a quarterback. White's accuracy was reportedly an issue in spring practices. He was "borderline terrible" with Miami.

Source: redskins.com Jul 7 - 3:35 PM

but he now knows that he's not much of a quarterback. White's accuracy was reportedly an issue in spring practices. He was "borderline terrible" with Miami.

Source: redskins.com Jul 7 - 3:35 PM

Damn, that's harsh coming from the team's website.

Countertrey wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:I'm simply saying we'd all be reacting in almost the same way had we signed Jackson instead.

I think many of us have a tendency to knee-jerk agree with Shanny's moves while many others have a tendency to knee-jerk the other way.

Had I started a thread about signing White 2 months ago I probably would have gotten a lot of this



and this



as well as good old-fashioned pillorying. Do you really doubt that?

Well... you didn't, so we won't know...

True but this is not blind conjecture. I have a ton of evidence. How do you think the board would have reacted?

Countertrey wrote:

It's kinda funny. White may turn out to be a great addition. He has experienced a lot a failure and all of a sudden he's this inspired pick-up that can potentially help our team in so many ways. I hope he is.

I have a feeling that they are trying to stay ahead of the learning curve of other teams as they attempt to account for the RG3 factor... I don't know if White is an answer... but I do think there's more to this than a camp arm.

BTW - whether or not Jackson is starting caliber is beside the point.

perhaps... but you were certainly willing to engage that argument a couple of responses above...

Not really. All I said is he has started. Then that was misinterpreted by someone else as me arguing that he is starting caliber. It's beside the point either way ... the point being this:

DarthMonk wrote:This is my claim: Had we signed Jackson a few months ago most of us would have been caught off guard (like with White) and our comments and conjectures would be very similar to what we are seeing in this thread. For instance, we'd probably talk about how he was finally going to get good coaching, run scout team, be used creatively, etc. We'd mostly be on board - just like most of us are for White.

How do you feel about the above claim?

Pat White - QB - Redskins

The Washington Times predicts Rex Grossman will "easily" beat out Pat White for the Redskins' third-string quarterback job.

The Skins figure to keep three quarterbacks this year because Robert Griffin III is coming off major knee surgery. White is not eligible for the practice squad, and Grossman has far more experience in Kyle Shanahan's offense. Whether White would be an attractive NFL waiver claim will depend on preseason play.

Source: Washington Times Jul 15 - 2:43 PM

DarthMonk wrote:This is my claim: Had we signed Jackson a few months ago most of us would have been caught off guard (like with White) and our comments and conjectures would be very similar to what we are seeing in this thread. For instance, we'd probably talk about how he was finally going to get good coaching, run scout team, be used creatively, etc. We'd mostly be on board - just like most of us are for White.

How do you feel about the above claim?

I'm on record, from the dark winter months when it was first suggested, as saying that attempting to bring Tavaris Jackson in was a bad idea... and, beyond that, NOT in the Redskins plans.

White is a different player entirely... and a different set of possibilities. Your own post of Jul 10, 2013 9:27 am underlines that White recognizes that Quarterback is not likely in his future, that, if he is going to be here, it will be as a utility player, possibly as a receiver... and as an emergency quarterback IF he is good enough to travel with the team and suit up.

Tavaris Jackson, as several of us have noted, continues to believe that he can and will play quarterback... that is NOT happening here. That makes attempting to compare the two apples and oranges.

Tavaris Jackson adds nothing to this team. I could see if we didn't have a capable backup. But, we have 2 already. Horrid idea.

The Hogster wrote:Tavaris Jackson adds nothing to this team. I could see if we didn't have a capable backup. But, we have 2 already. Horrid idea.

as others have pointed to - White knows he was not added to possibly be a QB - he's got more to offer than Jackson who mistakenly sees himself as a QB

I am not talking about comparing them I'm talking about comparing our reactions to acquisitions. To reiterate I never recommended acquiring Jackson. The proof is in the posts.