HEROHAMO wrote:Davis is very talented but when is he going to put it all together? If Davis takes an incentive laden contract thats fine with me. Personally I like Paulsen. Paulsen can catch the rock, is a big target and blocks like a beast.
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He was putting it together last season but got injured. I can't hold that against him. As far as "putting it together" in previous years, the team was garbage. Nobody had anything together. Look at the year Moss had in 2012, everyone thought he was washed up. If Davis doesn't get injured, he has a banner year.
Look at the TD pass he caught that was negated (the play before his injury). Paulsen isn't atheltic enough to make that play. I like Paulsen, he's a great asset and really stepped up. He's better than anyone gave him credit for, but let's not turn him into a mystical unicorn either. Paulsen isn't the future of the TE position. Davis's athelticism is something defenses have to account for, not Paulsen's.
But Davis hasn't completed two straight seasons! He's clearly injury prone what with that torn Achilles and all. That injury is like a kiss of death. He's not an elite talent, his production is awful. Cooley would have been a better option last year, if only Mike hadn't screwed him out of a roster spot. We can easily replace Davis with a player picked in 4th or 5th round of the draft, because let's be honest Paulsen was an undrafted free agent and he's CLEARLY better than Davis. Unless Davis accepts a(n (INCREDIBLY ASININE) low ball contract that pays him 1.3 million per year with incentive to 2.5 million per, he's is SO NOT WORTH IT!!!
Did I cover everything?
ey came back and did absolutely nothing. ey is not worth anything but a back up spot anymore, at one time yes he was great and is one of the top TE's this team will ever see but, lets face it he is older now and at most will fill a roster spot. Paulsen better than Davis.... give me a break.... that is all that needs to be said. Davis had a hell of a 2011 once he decided to stop trying to leap frog every tackler(remember that...ugh) and would have more than likely done the same or more in 2012 but got injured. The guy gets injured for one season and now he is injury prone and isn't better than a UFA
Honestly, keep him here, he is better for us than he is against us and looks to be a promising young player that will be with us for years to come, and who are we going to put in his place if we let him walk? Paulsen..... I like the guy but not as a starter, and Niles Paul... back-up. ey shouldn't be here any longer
I guess this is my fault, CLL, you weren't the only one.
That post from me was PURE SARCASM. I 100% agree with your response to it, fetus.
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
HEROHAMO wrote:Considering he is coming off an injury and hasn't played a full season for two years now.
Your concern is more accurate in regards to Orakpo than Davis... You speak about these last two seasons as if the incidents are somehow related. The suspension was his fault, he served his sentence, lets get the hell over it. His injury is just that, an injury. This is football, it happens.
- RGIII got injured this year... Tore his knee up being selfish, let's hold that against him.
- Fletcher is old, and honestly prolly should have missed a game or two but the streak was kept alive. I'm sure there's someone out there that'll hold that against him. And trust me, if we had lost on a TD pass to a TE on which he had coverage, he'd get destroyed on this board.
- Laron Landry, achilles problem right? Healed it his way, he went to the probowl...
Too much is being made of this.
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I like it all except for the Laron Landry part. We were smart to let him go.
HEROHAMO wrote:Considering he is coming off an injury and hasn't played a full season for two years now.
Your concern is more accurate in regards to Orakpo than Davis... You speak about these last two seasons as if the incidents are somehow related. The suspension was his fault, he served his sentence, lets get the hell over it. His injury is just that, an injury. This is football, it happens.
- RGIII got injured this year... Tore his knee up being selfish, let's hold that against him.
- Fletcher is old, and honestly prolly should have missed a game or two but the streak was kept alive. I'm sure there's someone out there that'll hold that against him. And trust me, if we had lost on a TD pass to a TE on which he had coverage, he'd get destroyed on this board.
- Laron Landry, achilles problem right? Healed it his way, he went to the probowl...
Too much is being made of this.
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I like it all except for the Laron Landry part. We were smart to let him go.
I should have clarified. We weren't unjustified and/or wrong in releasing him. I was more-so targeting the mindset that Fred's injury is apparently fatal. He can come back from it.
HEROHAMO wrote:Davis is very talented but when is he going to put it all together? If Davis takes an incentive laden contract thats fine with me. Personally I like Paulsen. Paulsen can catch the rock, is a big target and blocks like a beast.
well said
He was putting it together last season but got injured. I can't hold that against him. As far as "putting it together" in previous years, the team was garbage. Nobody had anything together. Look at the year Moss had in 2012, everyone thought he was washed up. If Davis doesn't get injured, he has a banner year.
Look at the TD pass he caught that was negated (the play before his injury). Paulsen isn't atheltic enough to make that play. I like Paulsen, he's a great asset and really stepped up. He's better than anyone gave him credit for, but let's not turn him into a mystical unicorn either. Paulsen isn't the future of the TE position. Davis's athelticism is something defenses have to account for, not Paulsen's.
But Davis hasn't completed two straight seasons! He's clearly injury prone what with that torn Achilles and all. That injury is like a kiss of death. He's not an elite talent, his production is awful. Cooley would have been a better option last year, if only Mike hadn't screwed him out of a roster spot. We can easily replace Davis with a player picked in 4th or 5th round of the draft, because let's be honest Paulsen was an undrafted free agent and he's CLEARLY better than Davis. Unless Davis accepts a(n (INCREDIBLY ASININE) low ball contract that pays him 1.3 million per year with incentive to 2.5 million per, he's is SO NOT WORTH IT!!!
Did I cover everything?
ey came back and did absolutely nothing. ey is not worth anything but a back up spot anymore, at one time yes he was great and is one of the top TE's this team will ever see but, lets face it he is older now and at most will fill a roster spot. Paulsen better than Davis.... give me a break.... that is all that needs to be said. Davis had a hell of a 2011 once he decided to stop trying to leap frog every tackler(remember that...ugh) and would have more than likely done the same or more in 2012 but got injured. The guy gets injured for one season and now he is injury prone and isn't better than a UFA
Honestly, keep him here, he is better for us than he is against us and looks to be a promising young player that will be with us for years to come, and who are we going to put in his place if we let him walk? Paulsen..... I like the guy but not as a starter, and Niles Paul... back-up. ey shouldn't be here any longer
I guess this is my fault, CLL, you weren't the only one.
That post from me was PURE SARCASM. I 100% agree with your response to it, fetus.
HEROHAMO wrote:Considering he is coming off an injury and hasn't played a full season for two years now.
Your concern is more accurate in regards to Orakpo than Davis... You speak about these last two seasons as if the incidents are somehow related. The suspension was his fault, he served his sentence, lets get the hell over it. His injury is just that, an injury. This is football, it happens.
- RGIII got injured this year... Tore his knee up being selfish, let's hold that against him.
- Fletcher is old, and honestly prolly should have missed a game or two but the streak was kept alive. I'm sure there's someone out there that'll hold that against him. And trust me, if we had lost on a TD pass to a TE on which he had coverage, he'd get destroyed on this board.
- Laron Landry, achilles problem right? Healed it his way, he went to the probowl...
Too much is being made of this.
Like I said Im fine with us resigning him. I actually think an incentive laden deal is fair. You think an incentive laden deal is not fair?
What if the incentives pay him more then the other top tight ends? Depends on the contract written up. He could have a monster season and meet the incentives.
I also think Paulsen has more talent then you guys are giving him credit for. Paulsen reminds me of Heath Miller. Tall, big, strong has good hands and can block really well.
Now I do understand that Paulsen is under his rookie contract and we can have both Davis and Paulsen. Davis is far superior running routes however Paulsen is far superior blocking. With our QB the value of another quality blocker in Paulsen is high.
HEROHAMO wrote:Davis is far superior running routes however Paulsen is far superior blocking. With our QB the value of another quality blocker in Paulsen is high.
You're not giving Davis enough credit in regards to his blocking. I've recently sat and watched 4 games prior to his injury and our running game was POTENT.
There's a larger gap in between Paulsen and Davis's route running than there is between their run blocking.
^^ +1 - the Redskins may keep both ... BUT there's no doubt that Davis is the better of the 2
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
HEROHAMO wrote:Davis is far superior running routes however Paulsen is far superior blocking. With our QB the value of another quality blocker in Paulsen is high.
You're not giving Davis enough credit in regards to his blocking. I've recently sat and watched 4 games prior to his injury and our running game was POTENT.
There's a larger gap in between Paulsen and Davis's route running than there is between their run blocking.
Good point, not sure what exact game Davis got hurt but we rushed for 1330 yards our first 8 games and 1379 our last 8 games. Very balanced numbers as far a rushing the ball goes and like you said no comparison in the passing game. I do not want to put Paulsen down though, because every team needs players that. Ones that will do the dirty work and he does a lot of it and he plays on special teams as a blocker as well.
HEROHAMO wrote:Davis is far superior running routes however Paulsen is far superior blocking. With our QB the value of another quality blocker in Paulsen is high.
You're not giving Davis enough credit in regards to his blocking. I've recently sat and watched 4 games prior to his injury and our running game was POTENT.
There's a larger gap in between Paulsen and Davis's route running than there is between their run blocking.
Good point, not sure what exact game Davis got hurt but we rushed for 1330 yards our first 8 games and 1379 our last 8 games. Very balanced numbers as far a rushing the ball goes and like you said no comparison in the passing game. I do not want to put Paulsen down though, because every team needs players that. Ones that will do the dirty work and he does a lot of it and he plays on special teams as a blocker as well.
I love Paulsen too. He's a helluva player and showed his greatness in how he didn't cause the them to miss a beat. He did his job extremely well and raised his game.
HEROHAMO wrote:Davis is far superior running routes however Paulsen is far superior blocking. With our QB the value of another quality blocker in Paulsen is high.
You're not giving Davis enough credit in regards to his blocking. I've recently sat and watched 4 games prior to his injury and our running game was POTENT.
There's a larger gap in between Paulsen and Davis's route running than there is between their run blocking.
Good point, not sure what exact game Davis got hurt but we rushed for 1330 yards our first 8 games and 1379 our last 8 games. Very balanced numbers as far a rushing the ball goes and like you said no comparison in the passing game. I do not want to put Paulsen down though, because every team needs players that. Ones that will do the dirty work and he does a lot of it and he plays on special teams as a blocker as well.
I love Paulsen too. He's a helluva player and showed his greatness in how he didn't cause the them to miss a beat. He did his job extremely well and raised his game.
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Exactly...I definitely want us to keep Paulsen. If Davis' contract is incentive laden, then I think we have our TE "concerns" taken care of for this year...next year maybe we can grab an upgrade.
This will give us less complications on fixing out DB needs too.
Again, I watched more film from the 2012/2013 season up until Davis got hurt.
It's easy to forget a players contributions/accomplishments when they go down earlier in the season. Davis was BALLING, seriously. Go back and watch the Tampa game...
RGIII dumps the pass off to Davis on a 3 yard screen. Davis receives a below par block, stiff arms that man, runs 8 yards and stiff arms another man. He then runs another 4-8 yards and lowers the boom on another player. It was an amazing play and displayed what he brings to this offense. He will be an amazing weapon next year, if we can keep him.
That being said, if you don't think realize his worth, go back and watch the film.
Davis and Garcon on the field at the same time will be a huge burden for opponents. I hope he's back.
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Redskins tight end Fred Davis got some good news recently about his recovery from a torn Achilles and that means it’s time for him to start thinking about where he’d like to end up as a free agent this offseason.
Other than saying that he likes being in Washington and that it would be “awesome” to play in his hometown of Cleveland if he couldn’t stay in D.C., Davis didn’t offer much in the way of specifics about where he’d like to play in 2013. He did offer up some thoughts on what would be guiding his ultimate decision.
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we're ONLY losing Fred Davis if Mike and Kyle think they can get by without him OR if they feel he will not be as key to the offense that many of us feel he is
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
I'm a huge Fred Davis Fan - I hope he's here but ...
this franchise is being so well managed now that apart from Bob - no player is irreplaceable
ALL players deserve to get what their worth
more and more Redskin players are choosing to play here and not necessarily for what they might make elsewhere
these are the new "CORE" Redskins
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
ey came back and did absolutely nothing.
He can come back from it.
