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emoses14 wrote:

fetus wrote:

emoses14 wrote:

fetus wrote:So retarded... let's really focus on this as the biggest world issue

Yes. Until all "big" world issues are resolved we should not spend any time on any other issue. Never mind that the Smithsonian isn't really handling any of those other issues, so talking about the Redskins name isn't slowing down the search for a cure for cancer.

Lookit, I love my Redskins, but I can also understand that if IFIFIFIFIFIFIFIF it is in fact offensive to many that my team is named "Redskins", then it is at some point going to end up with a change of their name. It won't be the end of the world.

Excuse my sarcasm, but this is a yearly pointless offseason argument, on par with Brett Favre retirement plans of the past.

The team uses this name to HONOR Native Americans, not in a derogatory sense.

If every person who got offended by anything got their way we would all have bleached skin, wear nothing, eat the same food everyday at the same time, have our voice boxes cut out and have shaved heads. Everyone would be a thoughtless clone, a zombie, taught to never think for themselves and not able to formulate an opinion.

I hear you. and I was taking issue with the sarcasm, not the spirit behind it.

I have to admit, though, that I've never really thought about this issue beyond an eye roll whenever it comes up; primarily because I believe that the name will not change until a judge orders it so (which will not happen until the outrage sufficient to support my next point comes to pass) or there is enough of a groundswell to actually put a dent in Snyder's bottom line. And that's not a shot at Snyder.

For me, the issue of offensiveness is not a black and white issue, but one that has to be weighed in terms of its harm to some class of people. Unfortunately, the only class that matters here are Native Americans and until someone shows me some kind of disparate impact associated with the use of that name, historical connotation that is so derogatory that it offends the senses of any reasonable person (and no, not just Cause hounds), or some other indicia of offensiveness, I'm positive the name isn't going to change.

well then the poss argument between you and I is non-existent, so yes, I agree with everything you just said.
You and I are in the same boat, see highlighted

It seems to be inevitable at this point. I don't support a change, however, we may have to prepare for it.

Thoughts?

I'm sure it'll happen in my lifetime and I'm 34. Something tells me we may go with "Braves."

If it is in fact a racial slur, why would ANYONE want to keep it the same? Redskins is seldom used but for the NFL team, which conjures up images of brave native american warriors, not savages. This is making my fellow liberals look reaaaalllly sad...

No. .

Quackjack wrote:If it is in fact a racial slur, why would ANYONE want to keep it the same? Redskins is seldom used but for the NFL team, which conjures up images of brave native american warriors, not savages. This is making my fellow liberals look reaaaalllly sad...

That's not what makes your fellow liberals look sad... (though, it certainly doesn't help)


Just sayin'.

Quackjack wrote:It seems to be inevitable at this point. I don't support a change, however, we may have to prepare for it.

Thoughts?

Huge thread on this already (this year) called "Smithsonian Museum."

Countertrey wrote:

Quackjack wrote:If it is in fact a racial slur, why would ANYONE want to keep it the same? Redskins is seldom used but for the NFL team, which conjures up images of brave native american warriors, not savages. This is making my fellow liberals look reaaaalllly sad...

That's not what makes your fellow liberals look sad... (though, it certainly doesn't help)


Just sayin'.

+1

Countertrey wrote:

Quackjack wrote:If it is in fact a racial slur, why would ANYONE want to keep it the same? Redskins is seldom used but for the NFL team, which conjures up images of brave native american warriors, not savages. This is making my fellow liberals look reaaaalllly sad...

That's not what makes your fellow liberals look sad... (though, it certainly doesn't help)


Just sayin'.

There is historical documented proof that Redskin was referred to Native Americans who put red clay on their bodies to display bravery in battle. In fact they even did this to settlers they captured whom they deemed brave and wanted to set apart from the others.

Sure there's historical references to the word as a racial slur, but whoever tries to use the word redskin to insult a Native American should have their @$$ beat for using something so corny to put someone down. I mean seriously...most people would feel embarrassed FOR the guy.

I also don't know of any Native Americans who look like me after a long day on the water. They look like my grandfather did.

Words change definition over time.

What comes to mind when you think "rainbow"? Well, a color spectrum in the sky has nothing to do with the gay community but it is the ACCEPTED ASSOCIATED definition of that word.

Speaking of which...if someone came up to you and said "I'm gay" would you automatically come to the conclusion "oh cool, dude is happy"? No, the association and therefore the accepted meaning of the word has changed over time.

Along with "family" and "marriage".

How about "p_ssy" (sorry mods)? Word means cat right? Yeah...I'd like to see someone use that as a team name with a mean ol kitty as a logo.

In the movie "Boomerang" this girl is in a restaurant yelling the P Bomb out with her legs spread at Eddie Murphy. Embarrassed he says "now where is that cat?" Well, the nice people didn't believe Eddie Murphy's definition.

Even laugh to yourself when someone talks about their being weed in their garden?

"Prick" didn't always mean what it does today.

"Text" = text message when it meant words typed on page.

"Good" is treated as "bad" and "bad" is treated as good.

"Sweet" was a taste, now it even means awesome or someone who's caring.

"Incredible" used to refer to someone/something that was not credible; now it means awesome.

"Thread" = piece of string, but now this is a thread.

I have a "hoe" in my house...sorry not loose woman here, but I do have a garden tool.

Ever hear a guy say "can you help me find my lost 'b!tch' "? Nope, because now we just say dog, the other term will get you slapped.

Speaking of dogs, do you expect someone to bark when they say "that's my dog." Or would you really say something as stupid as, "wait that thing looks human"? LOL I like that one

"Tramp" meant homeless person in days past.

Now to those who may try to criticize my comment I have a hypocrisy test for you...

Some of these words have accepted dual meanings today, other are pretty obvious.

For one week, walk around your job/church/formal event using the current inappropriate words (like p_ssy for example) in their originally-intended contexts.

If you have the balls to do that then I rest my case.

Yeah...that's what I thought.

In other news, many Government employees are getting furloughed (various amounts), and we're on the brink of a financial crisis that will limit our ability to defend this nation through the US military if attacked.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/06/politics/ ... index.html

But of course, that's water under the bridge, we need to deal with the #1 topic in the Nation's Capitol; this expired definition of redskins.

Countertrey wrote:

Quackjack wrote:If it is in fact a racial slur, why would ANYONE want to keep it the same? Redskins is seldom used but for the NFL team, which conjures up images of brave native american warriors, not savages. This is making my fellow liberals look reaaaalllly sad...

That's not what makes your fellow liberals look sad... (though, it certainly doesn't help)


Just sayin'.

Thank God, then, my fellow liberals have conservatives around doing everything they can to make us look good.

Phew!

Quackjack wrote:It seems to be inevitable at this point. I don't support a change, however, we may have to prepare for it.

Thoughts?

there are several threads already.....sure, it may change.
And whaddup wid your Avatar.......? u a steeler fan?

Gosh I hope this doesn't happen.

If worst comes to worst I could live with just the "Skins". No change to the logo.

emoses14 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

Quackjack wrote:If it is in fact a racial slur, why would ANYONE want to keep it the same? Redskins is seldom used but for the NFL team, which conjures up images of brave native american warriors, not savages. This is making my fellow liberals look reaaaalllly sad...

That's not what makes your fellow liberals look sad... (though, it certainly doesn't help)


Just sayin'.

Thank God, then, my fellow liberals have conservatives around doing everything they can to make us look good.

Phew!

Yes, because the group that supports assault weapons but not public health care has room to talk

Enough politics

And whaddup wid your Avatar.......? u a steeler fan?

Of coarse not, how could you suggest such a thing

DarthMonk wrote:

Quackjack wrote:It seems to be inevitable at this point. I don't support a change, however, we may have to prepare for it.

Thoughts?

Huge thread on this already (this year) called "Smithsonian Museum."

^^^^ This.

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:If you're so offended by the name and can't move forward from the past, I advise you leave the country.

Well... I mean, they were kinda here first. I'm just saying. Your post made me think of the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsTHuY2b0bg

No dude not the Natives, the liberals acting all butt hurt. So tired of referencing the old survey that demonstrated most Natives had no issue with the name and that schools on reservations use the word Redskins.

Yeah man, it's like, Obama doing this *puff puff* ****ing liberal conspiracy man *puff* Obama is such a tyrant man *puff* if George Bush was still in office he'd get all these dirty stinking libs shot!

Deadskins wrote:What's interesting is that it was a historian for the Smithsonian, who discovered that the origin of the term "Redskins" is Native American. It was the name of an Illinois tribe. It is not a racist label made up by Europeans as so many of these offended parties seem to think. It is simply not a racist term. And the Indian head logo was created at the request of Native Americans as well. People go out of their way to be offended by things, when they really should educate themselves first.

I have a ? if they change are name how will the fight song go????

LORD GIBBS wrote:I have a ? if they change are name how will the fight song go????

Yeah, that's not a comforting thought exercise.

As soon as someone shows me some proof that no less than 50.1% of the ACTUAL (no, your 1/34 cherokee vote doesn't count) native american population feels this is derogatory, I will immediately switch with both feet into the change the name camp and we can have a legitimate

No other metric or statistic, history lesson or anecdote matters.

Quackjack wrote:

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:If you're so offended by the name and can't move forward from the past, I advise you leave the country.

Well... I mean, they were kinda here first. I'm just saying. Your post made me think of the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsTHuY2b0bg

No dude not the Natives, the liberals acting all butt hurt. So tired of referencing the old survey that demonstrated most Natives had no issue with the name and that schools on reservations use the word Redskins.

Yeah man, it's like, Obama doing this *puff puff* ****ing liberal conspiracy man *puff* Obama is such a tyrant man *puff* if George Bush was still in office he'd get all these dirty stinking libs shot!

As you said, "Enough politics"

However, for the record, it is laughable that (seemingly) there are 5 native americans upset about the name and a 3.5 billion mix of non- native american other upset about it.

emoses14 wrote:

Quackjack wrote:

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:If you're so offended by the name and can't move forward from the past, I advise you leave the country.

Well... I mean, they were kinda here first. I'm just saying. Your post made me think of the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsTHuY2b0bg

No dude not the Natives, the liberals acting all butt hurt. So tired of referencing the old survey that demonstrated most Natives had no issue with the name and that schools on reservations use the word Redskins.

Yeah man, it's like, Obama doing this *puff puff* ****ing liberal conspiracy man *puff* Obama is such a tyrant man *puff* if George Bush was still in office he'd get all these dirty stinking libs shot!

As you said, "Enough politics"

However, for the record, it is laughable that (seemingly) there are 5 native americans upset about the name and a 3.5 billion mix of non- native american other upset about it.

I already made the point that I think the Redskins name is acceptable. Hell, I even made a post supporting the name on Steelers Fever. It's just the PC libs that I am pissed over.

Quackjack wrote:

emoses14 wrote:

Quackjack wrote:

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:If you're so offended by the name and can't move forward from the past, I advise you leave the country.

Well... I mean, they were kinda here first. I'm just saying. Your post made me think of the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsTHuY2b0bg

No dude not the Natives, the liberals acting all butt hurt. So tired of referencing the old survey that demonstrated most Natives had no issue with the name and that schools on reservations use the word Redskins.

Yeah man, it's like, Obama doing this *puff puff* ****ing liberal conspiracy man *puff* Obama is such a tyrant man *puff* if George Bush was still in office he'd get all these dirty stinking libs shot!

As you said, "Enough politics"

However, for the record, it is laughable that (seemingly) there are 5 native americans upset about the name and a 3.5 billion mix of non- native american other upset about it.

I already made the point that I think the Redskins name is acceptable. Hell, I even made a post supporting the name on Steelers Fever. It's just the PC libs that I am pissed over.

My comment was meant to be in agreement with that point, not as opposition to what I thought your position was.

fetus wrote:

emoses14 wrote:

fetus wrote:So retarded... let's really focus on this as the biggest world issue

Yes. Until all "big" world issues are resolved we should not spend any time on any other issue. Never mind that the Smithsonian isn't really handling any of those other issues, so talking about the Redskins name isn't slowing down the search for a cure for cancer.

Lookit, I love my Redskins, but I can also understand that if IFIFIFIFIFIFIFIF it is in fact offensive to many that my team is named "Redskins", then it is at some point going to end up with a change of their name. It won't be the end of the world.

Excuse my sarcasm, but this is a yearly pointless offseason argument, on par with Brett Favre retirement plans of the past.

The team uses this name to HONOR Native Americans, not in a derogatory sense.

If every person who got offended by anything got their way we would all have bleached skin, wear nothing, eat the same food everyday at the same time, have our voice boxes cut out and have shaved heads. Everyone would be a thoughtless clone, a zombie, taught to never think for themselves and not able to formulate an opinion.

Actually people would take bleaching skin as anti black/asian/hispanic/etc, etc.

Wearing nothing well you know how nudity and sex are very controversial in the States, let alone when its in public.

Shaved heads well come bruv I don't have to point out how some people would take that.

So in a sense you can't please everyone. The Redskins have had their name and logo in place for close to a century. Its kind of funny how when the Skins are successful and bringin in money these groups get their, collective, knickers tighter than a fishes' bum about the name. As much as I used to bash Snyder this is the one time I'm glad he's the owner. No way he'll change the name.