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tribeofjudah wrote:ACW....I see you are super excited. Me too, but it's a consolation prize to being knocked out of playoffs and a MESSED UP KNEE.....

'tis true

SADLY......this is NOT the NFL version of the ROY....??? It looks like that is a separate thing..... ?

Why hasn't the NFL "announced" who the ROY is......

The Pepsi Max Rook of Year is the one.that matters.....and I don't think that one has been settled.
http://www.nfl.com/m/voting/rookies/2012/YEAR/0

RGIII Sporting News ROTY

Soooo... What's the deal here? He has some congrats on his Twitter but haven't heard officially yet?

As far as we all are concerned - there is NO DOUBT who is the Rookie of the Year

HOWEVER

as you can see - this is a popularity contest based ENTIRELY on votes ....

Fans can vote for one of these five players on www.nfl.com/rookies through 9:00 PM EST on Tuesday, January 29 to determine the 2012 Pepsi MAX Rookie of the Year.
The award will be announced in New Orleans, the site of Super Bowl XLVII, at NFL Honors, a two-hour primetime awards special to air nationally on February 2, 9-11 pm. EST on CBS.

VOTE OFTEN

However, Griffin far outdistanced everyone else to win our award, with 363 votes ahead of Luck (213), Wilson (124) and Tampa Bay running back Doug Martin (57). The award was determined in a vote of more than 800 players, coaches and executives.

This means more to me than a fan vote, but I have to wonder why Martin got votes over Morris. Obviously RGIII overshadowed him, but Morris had the third best rookie RB year of all time.

Deadskins wrote:

However, Griffin far outdistanced everyone else to win our award, with 363 votes ahead of Luck (213), Wilson (124) and Tampa Bay running back Doug Martin (57). The award was determined in a vote of more than 800 players, coaches and executives.

This means more to me than a fan vote, but I have to wonder why Martin got votes over Morris. Obviously RGIII overshadowed him, but Morris had the third best rookie RB year of all time.

Morris should have been named, But. I think maybe many of the voters think Morris' yardage came as a result of RG3's constant threat to run wide. Holes had to open. Morris needs to have some big games when Robert's not around.

Pepsi Max be damned. Fans know as much as players and coaches. I don't think so. I also don't think allowing fans to vote as many times as they want is a sign of class. ROY is over, as far as I'm concerned. Robert's already the pick of two sets of reputable folks-- sportswriters, and players and coaches. The Pepsi award sounds like a joke, is a joke. Still, Robert will probably win that one two.

By the way, how many still think Manning's still the best choice for MVP? I certainly don't. He took a playoff team back to the playoffs, then lost. Where's the improvement. Brady?-- same problem. Rodgers?--same. Wilson?--maybe.
Kaepernick?--not likely but maybe? Peterson?--tough to beat. Luck?--eighteen or nineteen interceptions and a fifty percent completion percentage. The Atlanta wonder?--I'm not convinced. Ok, so, that leaves somebody...somebody who?

It'd be hard to argue that anyone was more valuable to his team's success than RGIII. But the voters won't see it that way.

Deadskins wrote:It'd be hard to argue that anyone was more valuable to his team's success than RGIII. But the voters won't see it that way.

Well, what about Rodgers? We still won with Cousins. GB would MAYBE go 2-14 w/o Rodgers.

crazyhorse1 wrote: By the way, how many still think Manning's still the best choice for MVP? I certainly don't. He took a playoff team back to the playoffs, then lost. Where's the improvement. Brady?-- same problem. Rodgers?--same. Wilson?--maybe.
Kaepernick?--not likely but maybe? Peterson?--tough to beat. Luck?--eighteen or nineteen interceptions and a fifty percent completion percentage. The Atlanta wonder?--I'm not convinced. Ok, so, that leaves somebody...somebody who?

CH, we both know that, among post season honors, the most political of all is MVP... While I won't agree, I have no doubt that it will be Manning...

ACW wrote:

Deadskins wrote:It'd be hard to argue that anyone was more valuable to his team's success than RGIII. But the voters won't see it that way.

Well, what about Rodgers? We still won with Cousins. GB would MAYBE go 2-14 w/o Rodgers.

There is also the value to the league as a whole. Didn't Griff sell more jerseys than anyone? Weren't fans at other stadiums chanting RGIII? I'd imagine ratings were up for games he played.

DarthMonk wrote:There is also the value to the league as a whole. Didn't Griff sell more jerseys than anyone? Weren't fans at other stadiums chanting RGIII? I'd imagine ratings were up for games he played.

Our SNF Dallas stomp to win the division set a record for viewers.

ACW wrote:We still won with Cousins.

Yeah, we beat Cleveland.

I'm fairly sure that these awards are based on the 16 games - NOT the post season

I have no doubt that RG3 wins the rookie of the year award - Luck, Morris and Wilson will all be there ...


IMO - AP wins the MVP

I would not be surprised to see Peyton, Brady and RG3 finish in the top 5

SkinsJock wrote:I'm fairly sure that these awards are based on the 16 games - NOT the post season

I have no doubt that RG3 wins the rookie of the year award - Luck, Morris and Wilson will all be there ...


IMO - AP wins the MVP

I would not be surprised to see Peyton, Brady and RG3 finish in the top 5

Can't remember the source, but I saw a favorites list on which Manning was way ahead and RG3 wasn't even a contender. I believe the top four were Manning, Rodgers, Brady, and Petersen.

I Would love rg3 get mvp but i,m seeing the others manning,brady,peterson .
rookie of the year im seeing rg3 in the conversation.

DarthMonk wrote:

ACW wrote:

Deadskins wrote:It'd be hard to argue that anyone was more valuable to his team's success than RGIII. But the voters won't see it that way.

Well, what about Rodgers? We still won with Cousins. GB would MAYBE go 2-14 w/o Rodgers.

There is also the value to the league as a whole. Didn't Griff sell more jerseys than anyone? Weren't fans at other stadiums chanting RGIII? I'd imagine ratings were up for games he played.

If those were the standards, Tim Tebow would be the clear frontrunner............

markshark84 wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:

ACW wrote:

Deadskins wrote:It'd be hard to argue that anyone was more valuable to his team's success than RGIII. But the voters won't see it that way.

Well, what about Rodgers? We still won with Cousins. GB would MAYBE go 2-14 w/o Rodgers.

There is also the value to the league as a whole. Didn't Griff sell more jerseys than anyone? Weren't fans at other stadiums chanting RGIII? I'd imagine ratings were up for games he played.

If those were the standards, Tim Tebow would be the clear frontrunner............

No, he wouldn't.

They announce the winner tonight at 9PM EST on CBS.

Deadskins wrote:They announce the winner tonight at 9PM EST on CBS.

I'm actually fully expecting Russel Wilson to win. I don't think he should, but I think he will. He got a LOT of press from the playoffs, and even though it's a regular season award, I think that there will be carryover from all that positive coverage; it left a very positive view of Wilson in the minds of voters. Whereas now because RG3 got injured, I think that left a neutral taste in the mouth of voters.

Plus when you bring up the voting page, the video mention RW first, Luck second, and then they finally get around to RGIII. Still, the voting began right after the regular season ended, so RGIII may have built up an insurmountable lead. That, coupled with the amount of Skins fans vs. the amount of Shehawks fans, and I think RGIII takes this down along with all the others he's already won.

I hope he wins ROY, he deserves it. I really, really wish he did not get hurt though because it is hard to brag because people say he is injury prone, etc. I wish Russell Wilson played for another team because I like him and wish him well but he plays for a dirty team.

The problem is you have national guys like Mike & Mike who gush about whatever new shiny toy like it is the best ever - right now that is Kap and Wilson - RGIII has been forgotten.