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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:53 pm
by HTTRRG3ALMO
I'm very biased in this post...fair warning.
If I were Shanahan I wouldn't trade Counsins until we had an even better back up QB.
I hate the hype about this dude so its strange to write this, but look at Russel Wilson. He is a solid QB. He's better than Counsins in my opinion.
Now if we had RG3 and Wilson as our backup, I'd be a little angry in us holding this kid back. I don't believe he's quite as good as RG3, but he's close.
However, RG3 is a few steps above Cousins. Nothing against Cousins, he's a very capable QB and I'd be comfortable if he had to sub for RG3 for an extended period. Not ideal, but I still would feel more at ease.
Just don't see what's wrong with us keeping someone great as a backup. I think the issue would be if the backup was better or at least exactly as good at the starting QB.
Why the thinking that your depth should be sucky players? They're making more money than you or I ever will...so they're getting their apology for not being starters just yet.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:27 am
by StorminMormon86
No doubt in my mind that we could be going to San Fran this Sunday if Shanny would have put the Kirkster in at the half against Seattle.
Re: Trade Cousins
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:38 pm
by masterkwon
SKINS#1 wrote:What would it take for you to trade Cousins? I would not consider a trade for anything less than a 1st rd and 2nd rd draft choice and would try to get (2) 1st rd choices if there were a couple teams interested.
Bob the Third had a reconstructed knee in college. It was inevitable this would be an issue later in his career. It was and now it's going to be an even bigger issue in the future. One only needs to look at Michael Vick's career to see the other issue no one is talking about, but is also inevitable...broken ribs. Trade Cousins? Seriously?
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:28 pm
by SkinsJock
Cousins is the back-up QB - he's not going anywhere for now
we're lucky in a way that RG3 was able to get that right knee looked at and re-done as it were - it should now be a lot better than it would have been if not
actually in a way - having the operation most likely saved us from him having a lot of issues with the fact that ligament was not as strong as it will now be
Cousins is a good back up but RG3 will NOT be taking the punishment he did last season
we'll be fine with these 2 QBs for a while
Re: Trade Cousins
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:42 pm
by DarthMonk
SKINS#1 wrote:What would it take for you to trade Cousins?
Responding to the original post I'd say I'd trade him for someone slightly older but equally good plus a draft pick - like Ryan Mallett and a 2nd. Of course, no one is going to give us anything near that.
Re: Trade Cousins
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:45 pm
by Deadskins
masterkwon wrote:One only needs to look at Michael Vick's career to see the other issue no one is talking about, but is also inevitable...broken ribs.
Um, I think Vick has had 1 rib injury in his career When we sandwiched him at the goal line a couple of seasons ago), and I don't think any were actually broken. His curgrgrent problem was concussions, but he was able to return before he did, they just kept him out to see what Foles could do. On a side note:
Mmmm ribs. grgrgrgrgrl
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:35 am
by HTTRRG3ALMO
Would love to hear you guys thoughts on this...
First off, I must apologize, I'm always the 1st one to flip out when people start screaming "TRADE COUSINS!!", but now I'm beginning to wonder...
His contract expires in 2015. Its amazing to have him and I still hold that he shouldn't be released until someone just as good as him is on the roaster. However, is it likely he'll resign with us?
Reason I ask is because I'm thinking about the Lorax situation; Kirk might want to become a starter regardless of what we offer him.
With that, it would seem better for us to get "something" from our 4th round 2012 pick as opposed to allowing his contract to run out. I'd say we need him this year for sure, but what about after the end of this season?
There's teams out there who are desperate for a starting QB and from what I've been reading, 2014's draft class is once again weak in the QB position.
Anyway, don't get wrong, I'd hate to see Cousins go; if it were up to me, I'd pay him good and keep him around as a seamless insurance policy for a long time.
Thoughts guys?
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:44 am
by The Hogster
He won't re-sign here if RGIII is still our starter in 2015. But, I don't think now is the time to trade him. Next offseason, with one year on his expiring deal is the time to pull the trigger in my view.
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:52 am
by HTTRRG3ALMO
The Hogster wrote:He won't re-sign here if RGIII is still our starter in 2015. But, I don't think now is the time to trade him. Next offseason, with one year on his expiring deal is the time to pull the trigger in my view.
Man that sucks, but again, what can you do? The kid is solid. I'd really hate to see him go and fear we'll "need" him again further down the road. I suppose there's always a chance of us resigning him if we truly needed him.
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:55 am
by NYFINESTSKINSFAN
HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:Would love to hear you guys thoughts on this...
First off, I must apologize, I'm always the 1st one to flip out when people start screaming "TRADE COUSINS!!", but now I'm beginning to wonder...
His contract expires in 2015. Its amazing to have him and I still hold that he shouldn't be released until someone just as good as him is on the roaster. However, is it likely he'll resign with us?
Reason I ask is because I'm thinking about the Lorax situation; Kirk might want to become a starter regardless of what we offer him.
With that, it would seem better for us to get "something" from our 4th round 2012 pick as opposed to allowing his contract to run out. I'd say we need him this year for sure, but what about after the end of this season?
There's teams out there who are desperate for a starting QB and from what I've been reading, 2014's draft class is once again weak in the QB position.
Anyway, don't get wrong, I'd hate to see Cousins go; if it were up to me, I'd pay him good and keep him around as a seamless insurance policy for a long time.
Thoughts guys?
The way I see it is rightfully Cousins will want to be a starter if he had such opportunity, who wouldn't. It would be nuts for any of us to think that Cousins will want to remain as a backup if he were to have the opportunity to start. So the obvious answer would be, trade him and get the most value out of him as we can when that time come before his contract expires. Just saying!
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:52 am
by SkinsJock
let's get 1 thing straight - this FO is NOT letting Cousins go and not get anything in return ...
I sometimes think that some fans here do not realize that we now have guys in charge that REALLY know what they are doing
Cousins is a really good QB that will be here until someone makes us a really good offer - we're not letting him go ..
where do some of these stupid ideas come from
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:59 am
by KazooSkinsFan
Redskin in Canada wrote:What is the hurry to get rid of great players?
We need QUALITY as a backup QB and Kirk gives us THAT!!!!
PATIENCE. There will be FA and another Draft. I love our picks since Allen and Shanny came here.
But RiC, the whole point of having players is to see what you can get for them in draft picks.
I always wondered about that too. I thought it was the other way around, draft picks were to get players.
Re: Trade Cousins
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:04 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
SKINS#1 wrote:What would it take for you to trade Cousins? I would not consider a trade for anything less than a 1st rd and 2nd rd draft choice and would try to get (2) 1st rd choices if there were a couple teams interested.
If we got a #1 for him he'd be gone.
However, I've always found it odd the view that every other team passed on him at least three times before we took him, then Redskin fans have always thought those teams based on so little evidence would turn around and pay us high picks to get him.
I think he's a great pick for a fourth rounder, and we probably could get more for him then we paid, but no one is paying us a #1 at this point in time. And we need him. Come back in another 2 years and then we'll be starting to look at what we can get for him as he's nearing the end of his rookie contract.
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:16 pm
by oj
This is a great problem, what to do, what to do...lets discuss this for a few more years. No point in making a hasty decision.
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:58 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
The Hogster wrote:He won't re-sign here if RGIII is still our starter in 2015. But, I don't think now is the time to trade him. Next offseason, with one year on his expiring deal is the time to pull the trigger in my view.
He's signed for three more years, so we would want to do this in two years, not one. I agree though regarding the point the ideal time would be to wait until there is one year left on his deal.
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:54 pm
by brad7686
If somebody is stupid enough to pull a Kevin Kolb like trade for him then ship him out. Otherwise no.
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:06 pm
by Countertrey
^ No. Unless someone is willing to give us what Dallas got for Herschel Walker, it's not time yet.
One more year. At that point, unless Cousins blows up, someone is likely to be willing to pay way too much...
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 7:21 pm
by HEROHAMO
I actually think teams would give up no more then a 2nd round pick for Cousins. But I actually think he is a first round talent. Had Cousins been part of this years draft I bet he might of been a first to second round pick.
What stands out to me about Cousins is his character. Even though Cousins himself believes he is a starter he has to be a good soldier and be the backup. Even though his dream is be a starting QB in the NFL. Yet he still thrives IMHO.
RG3 is one of the most athletic QBs ever. Cousins is no slouch though. He can run when needed and has a rocket arm as well. Combined with his intangibles we have ourselves another good QB. Man how things have changed!
Ive said this before but I also believe this situation is great for Cousins. RG3 and Cousins both winners in there own right can only help each other get better. Young, Montana, Farve , Rodgers and now I think we are in the early stages of RG3 and Cousins. While I dont think the relationship between the two will be a bad one. With RG3s injury history the moment will come when RG3 has to sit out and Cousins comes in again and leads the way to victory.
With this media in this day in age. QB controversy is around the corner.
So no trade for now is my opinion. What if RG3 is rusty? What if RG3 tweeks his knee again? Then Cousins comes in and lights it up for a couple weeks?
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:09 pm
by Countertrey
Cousins understands that his career, for now, is an audition for his future. He understands his current role, and realizes that his patience will yield opportunities. unless a catastrophe fells RG3, I do not expect to see him in B&G in two years.
Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:36 am
by HTTRRG3ALMO
SkinsJock wrote:let's get 1 thing straight - this FO is NOT letting Cousins go and not get anything in return ...
I sometimes think that some fans here do not realize that we now have guys in charge that REALLY know what they are doing
Cousins is a really good QB that will be here until someone makes us a really good offer - we're not letting him go ..
where do some of these stupid ideas come from
Umm...Lorenzo Alexander??
I subscribe to the school of thought that it was just as much a "wanting to start" issue as it was a money issue.
Come on man these things happen to every team; unable to reach a signing agreement or trade deal, resulting in losing a player with nothing in return. That's why you have talented Free Agents. Its not always about the FO "dropping the ball" but rather a player wanting something the franchise can't deliver.
Yes they're a smart front office, but they can't control the desires of others who are worthy of their dreams. Especially once the player realizes that FO is actually holding them back from their dreams.
My current opinion: keep Cousins for as long as possible; trade him in the last year of his contract (and hope that there isn`t a strong QB draft class around that time)
Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 7:51 am
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:let's get 1 thing straight - this FO is NOT letting Cousins go and not get anything in return ...
Gee, thanks for clearing that up. I actually had to to re-read the past twenty posts before yours thoroughly to try and find where anybody implied that the Redskins would just let Cousins go for nothing.
ANYWAY. Highly unlikely Cousins would be traded this year. Too late for most teams to make that move for a starting QB and I would imagine Cousins is too much a part of our plans for this year. We're making a SB run. Do you want Cousins as your backup or Grossman?
A couple more solid preseason outings for Cousins (hopefully no regular season games) and I think we'll get a first rounder for him next year.
And THAT would be kind of genius wouldn't it?
Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:45 pm
by SkinsJock
earlier
RG3ALMO posted
Would love to hear you guys thoughts on this...
First off, I must apologize, I'm always the 1st one to flip out when people start screaming "TRADE COUSINS!!", but now I'm beginning to wonder...
His contract expires in 2015. Its amazing to have him and I still hold that he shouldn't be released until someone just as good as him is on the roaster. However, is it likely he'll resign with us?
Reason I ask is because I'm thinking about the Lorax situation; Kirk might want to become a starter regardless of what we offer him.
With that, it would seem better for us to get "something" from our 4th round 2012 pick as opposed to allowing his contract to run out. I'd say we need him this year for sure, but what about after the end of this season?
There's teams out there who are desperate for a starting QB and from what I've been reading, 2014's draft class is once again weak in the QB position.
Anyway, don't get wrong, I'd hate to see Cousins go; if it were up to me, I'd pay him good and keep him around as a seamless insurance policy for a long time.
HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:SkinsJock wrote:let's get 1 thing straight - this FO is NOT letting Cousins go and not get anything in return ...
I sometimes think that some fans here do not realize that we now have guys in charge that REALLY know what they are doing
Cousins is a really good QB that will be here until someone makes us a really good offer - we're not letting him go ..
where do some of these stupid ideas come from
Umm...Lorenzo Alexander??
I subscribe to the school of thought that it was just as much a "wanting to start" issue as it was a money issue.
Come on man
these things happen to every team; unable to reach a signing agreement or trade deal, resulting in losing a player with nothing in return. That's why you have talented Free Agents. Its not always about the FO "dropping the ball" but rather a player wanting something the franchise can't deliver.
Yes they're a smart front office, but they can't control the desires of others who are worthy of their dreams. Especially once the player realizes that FO is actually holding them back from their dreams.
My current opinion: keep Cousins for as long as possible; trade him in the last year of his contract (and hope that there isn`t a strong QB draft class around that time)
I cannot see any logic in both comparing Alexander & Cousins potential 'worth' to this franchise
OR
that this FO has given any indication that they will not handle the Cousins situation in the best way possible for this franchise
Alexander is no longer here because the FO decided that while there were certain aspects of his game that were valuable, not having his LB play was not going to hurt our defense
Cousins is an integral part of this team and he's shown that he could be a good NFL QB - Alexander is just a good ST player
I have NO DOUBT that this FO will manage the Cousins situation
Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:05 pm
by 1niksder
KazooSkinsFan wrote:The Hogster wrote:He won't re-sign here if RGIII is still our starter in 2015. But, I don't think now is the time to trade him. Next offseason, with one year on his expiring deal is the time to pull the trigger in my view.
He's signed for three more years, so we would want to do this in two years, not one. I agree though regarding the point the ideal time would be to wait until there is one year left on his deal.
TW3The Redskins are likely to deal Kirk Cousins at some point in time but later rather than sooner. Of course he’ll be around this year and there is no reason to be in a big hurry to trade him in 2014. Cousins will have two years left on his contract at that point so why trade him unless you get an offer that blows you away? In 2015 he will have on year left on his deal so that would be the last chance to trade him and get some draft pick value for him before he would likely hit free agency in 2016. That should give them enough time to figure out who will back up RG3 moving forward.
Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:35 pm
by HTTRRG3ALMO
SkinsJock wrote:earlier
RG3ALMO posted
Would love to hear you guys thoughts on this...
First off, I must apologize, I'm always the 1st one to flip out when people start screaming "TRADE COUSINS!!", but now I'm beginning to wonder...
His contract expires in 2015. Its amazing to have him and I still hold that he shouldn't be released until someone just as good as him is on the roaster. However, is it likely he'll resign with us?
Reason I ask is because I'm thinking about the Lorax situation; Kirk might want to become a starter regardless of what we offer him.
R
With that, it would seem better for us to get "something" from our 4th round 2012 pick as opposed to allowing his contract to run out. I'd say we need him this year for sure, but what about after the end of this season?
There's teams out there who are desperate for a starting QB and from what I've been reading, 2014's draft class is once again weak in the QB position.
Anyway, don't get wrong, I'd hate to see Cousins go; if it were up to me, I'd pay him good and keep him around as a seamless insurance policy for a long time.
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HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:SkinsJock wrote:let's get 1 thing straight - this FO is NOT letting Cousins go and not get anything in return ...
I sometimes think that some fans here do not realize that we now have guys in charge that REALLY know what they are doing
Cousins is a really good QB that will be here until someone makes us a really good offer - we're not letting him go ..
where do some of these stupid ideas come from
Umm...Lorenzo Alexander??
I subscribe to the school of thought that it was just as much a "wanting to start" issue as it was a money issue.
Come on man
these things happen to every team; unable to reach a signing agreement or trade deal, resulting in losing a player with nothing in return. That's why you have talented Free Agents. Its not always about the FO "dropping the ball" but rather a player wanting something the franchise can't deliver.
Yes they're a smart front office, but they can't control the desires of others who are worthy of their dreams. Especially once the player realizes that FO is actually holding them back from their dreams.
My current opinion: keep Cousins for as long as possible; trade him in the last year of his contract (and hope that there isn`t a strong QB draft class around that time)
I cannot see any logic in both comparing Alexander & Cousins potential 'worth' to this franchise
OR
that this FO has given any indication that they will not handle the Cousins situation in the best way possible for this franchise
Alexander is no longer here because the FO decided that while there were certain aspects of his game that were valuable, not having his LB play was not going to hurt our defense
Cousins is an integral part of this team and he's shown that he could be a good NFL QB - Alexander is just a good ST player
I have NO DOUBT that this FO will manage the Cousins situation
That's because you're still missing the point and seeing this "bass-ackwards". Its not what the franchise sees as the player's worth, but rather what the player sees as his worth. If the franchise is valuing the player less than he feels he is worth and can get elsewhere (money and position) he's going to walk.
We've seen players make sacrifices this year yes, but that's a temporary salary issue...this isn't.
Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 7:26 pm
by SkinsJock
The FO (not Cousins) will decide what to do and I'm fairly sure that 'decision' will be in Cousins best interest also ... and that ain't happening soon
that's just my opinion