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Chris Luva Luva wrote:

riggofan wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I need to go back and quote some of negative Nancy's.

There is some good material in the Game Day thread... knock yourself out! LOL

Please do. I'd love some material from the two weeks after the Carolina loss in there also. Pffft. "Fans"!

I'll do it next week. I'll have plenty of time in my hotel during my business trip.

Looking forward to it. Safe trip!

Countertrey wrote:I'd have taken it in... It's Dallas. I'm surprised he didn't... as a Redskins fan, he knows the history... when you have them down... give them an extra kick.

It was a bang bang play... no one would have called him selfish for scoring...

I think he thought he was running out the clock (a la Westbrook a few years back). He didn't realize it stops anyway on change of possession plays like kickoffs. Punch it in, then go for two!

Question: Someone tell me why Jerrah was SWEATING BEADS during his press-con last night....?

He was soaking wet about his nightmare (RGIII) that would plague him for the next decade.......hahahaha

I wonder if there is anyone in the universe now that thinks the Redskins gave up to much to get RGIII? Not me!!!

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:

Countertrey wrote:I'd have taken it in... It's Dallas. I'm surprised he didn't... as a Redskins fan, he knows the history... when you have them down... give them an extra kick.

It was a bang bang play... no one would have called him selfish for scoring...

And yet, after all the years of "Meangelo" I'll commend him for taking the slide.

I would commend him too if there would've been a reason not to score...but there wasn't...

emoses14 wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:The prevent sissy crap haz to go asap... The aggressive D caused turnovers and PREVENTED touch downs. Pretty clear what to do to me...

As for Hall.. ya winning by more on the card is cool... But like Red said, risking injury to other players on ko and D is pointless.
And as a certified puke HATER I love the ending! He did better then score a td he rubbed thier damn faces in it!
Best way to beat the pukes?
Victory formation on their one! Lmmfao I loved it hail to victory! Great W on a great day, we've been long starved of this type of thing

not to excuse us, but every team at seemingly ever level does this and it sucks. I have for years racked my brain with the question "IF A worked all game to get you the lead you are trying to protect, why in Hades are you switching to B (the prevent)? Wouldn't continuing to do A make more sense?"

You are correct! The Giants had a big lead over Dallas in Dallas a couple of weeks ago. They go into prevent and let them come back and have to hang on by a finger - Dez Bryant's finger on the back of the end zone out of bounds line. It's a copy cat league. Probably for every prevent that doesn't work, so many more have so coaches feel that validates the strategy. That is all I can come up with as to why so many coaches do it.

Countertrey wrote:Yup. it's part of the whole package, and sets up other things... and every once in a while, he's going to pop through the line and end up with a one on one matchup against a CB... who wins that one?

I agree and will add a little more:

One of the things that Doc Walker said on ESPN980 today that Kyle said that they use the pitch out early in the game to get the defenders chasing the Skins from sideline to sideline. This tires out the defense and does set up other things.

Also, in Shanny's book, Think Like a Champion, he says one of the goals of the first 15 plays is find out how the defense will react to certain movements by the offense.

When I look back to the Pittsburgh game, the play only worked two times out of the number times they ran it, but the receivers were wide open when when they began to fake the pitch (they just didn't catch the ball).

So, I now get the use of the option pitch to a back who is does not have good outside speed. I stand informed and corrected.

Countertrey wrote:Yup. it's part of the whole package, and sets up other things ... and every once in a while, he's going to pop through the line and end up with a one on one matchup against a CB... who wins that one?

I hear you trey - I'd just like to see that particular play designed a little better - it is almost ALWAYS stopped for no gain or a loss

I am very much aware that the offense runs plays to set up other plays or to see what the defense will do but this particular play does not look like it's very good for anything

I'll have to give them kudos though - we have a rookie QB and rookie RB and a not great O line and we're at the top of the rushing stats

I'll give them that but I'd still like a better OC

It's all about keeping the defense honest. Fakes don't work if they aren't real sometimes.

mastdark81 wrote:Oline - First game I ever seen Ware not have a sack. I know a few others got in free a few times but with the rotation of Ware everywhere along the line I thought they did pretty good.

Will Montgomery explains the strategy on holding Ware to no sacks:

Limited straight dropbacks
Play action
Moving the pocket
TE in motion and cut blocking him

This part of the interview starts at 1:33 into the interview. Link is below or go to ESPN980 Audio Vaults.

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_ski ... 5&f=841531

My sister pointed out that by not going into the end zone he kept the Cowboys from getting the ball back if by some miracle they could have scored and gotten the next onside kick.

Redskinsfansince81 wrote:My sister pointed out that by not going into the end zone he kept the Cowboys from getting the ball back if by some miracle they could have scored and gotten the next onside kick.

There wasn't enough time for Dallas to score 14 points, there was what, 30 seconds left? I don't think any team has had two offensive touchdowns in that short a span of time.

The fact is, by taking the selfless role and sliding at the 1-yard line, the game is over with one kneel down.

I would have loved to see us win with double digits, but the smart play was slide and go victory formation.

Bob 0119 wrote:

Redskinsfansince81 wrote:My sister pointed out that by not going into the end zone he kept the Cowboys from getting the ball back if by some miracle they could have scored and gotten the next onside kick.

There wasn't enough time for Dallas to score 14 points, there was what, 30 seconds left? I don't think any team has had two offensive touchdowns in that short a span of time.

The fact is, by taking the selfless role and sliding at the 1-yard line, the game is over with one kneel down.

I would have loved to see us win with double digits, but the smart play was slide and go victory formation.

To add to that.. that's the only way we get to do the victory formation, short of a onsides kick recovery. Any ending like that vs Dallas is the preferred imo

Bob 0119 wrote:

Redskinsfansince81 wrote:My sister pointed out that by not going into the end zone he kept the Cowboys from getting the ball back if by some miracle they could have scored and gotten the next onside kick.

There wasn't enough time for Dallas to score 14 points, there was what, 30 seconds left? I don't think any team has had two offensive touchdowns in that short a span of time.

The fact is, by taking the selfless role and sliding at the 1-yard line, the game is over with one kneel down.

I would have loved to see us win with double digits, but the smart play was slide and go victory formation.

+1. I don't see any reason why fans wouldn't give D. Hall credit for that play. If he scores the TD, the Cowboys still have a chance, however remote. By sliding at the 1 yd the Cowboys had ZERO chance. Game over.

I would have loved to see another TD on the board, but his play was the smart one.

Wow! What a game! They are just badassed!
How about Robinson, he is about as quiet as you can get - i've read thru here and he isn't even mentioned!
And Santana Moss making 2 defenders look like fools.
Garcon grabbing that pass thrown behind him just snatching a hard thrown ball right put of the air!
And the Dallas announcers line about 'a rookie quarterback shredding the valted Dallas defense'
Haz had them stoked, the defense was a treat to watch, they have matured into a unit these past few weeks.
G3 is incredible, he acts as if he has done this for years.
What a team! Thank You! Hail Skins.

riggofan wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:

Redskinsfansince81 wrote:My sister pointed out that by not going into the end zone he kept the Cowboys from getting the ball back if by some miracle they could have scored and gotten the next onside kick.

There wasn't enough time for Dallas to score 14 points, there was what, 30 seconds left? I don't think any team has had two offensive touchdowns in that short a span of time.

The fact is, by taking the selfless role and sliding at the 1-yard line, the game is over with one kneel down.

I would have loved to see us win with double digits, but the smart play was slide and go victory formation.

+1. I don't see any reason why fans wouldn't give D. Hall credit for that play. If he scores the TD, the Cowboys still have a chance, however remote. By sliding at the 1 yd the Cowboys had ZERO chance. Game over.

I would have loved to see another TD on the board, but his play was the smart one.

I give him credit... it was a smart play, in any game, including this one... except it is DALLAS... with 18 seconds on the clock at kickoff, 6 seconds run off until Hall slides and is downed. There is no scenario in which Dallas wins.

This does not mean that I am down on him over this... just that failing to score and bring it to a double digit win causes me to question his Redskin Fan pedigree... For a die hard, lifelong Redskins fan, who gets the history... it's a no brainer... score. Run to mid field. Dance on the Star.

There. I said it.

Back to reality... it was a good call on Hall's part, and remarkably thought full.

Countertrey wrote:

riggofan wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:

Redskinsfansince81 wrote:My sister pointed out that by not going into the end zone he kept the Cowboys from getting the ball back if by some miracle they could have scored and gotten the next onside kick.

There wasn't enough time for Dallas to score 14 points, there was what, 30 seconds left? I don't think any team has had two offensive touchdowns in that short a span of time.

The fact is, by taking the selfless role and sliding at the 1-yard line, the game is over with one kneel down.

I would have loved to see us win with double digits, but the smart play was slide and go victory formation.

+1. I don't see any reason why fans wouldn't give D. Hall credit for that play. If he scores the TD, the Cowboys still have a chance, however remote. By sliding at the 1 yd the Cowboys had ZERO chance. Game over.

I would have loved to see another TD on the board, but his play was the smart one.

I give him credit... it was a smart play, in any game, including this one... except it is DALLAS... with 18 seconds on the clock at kickoff, 6 seconds run off until Hall slides and is downed. There is no scenario in which Dallas wins.

This does not mean that I am down on him over this... just that failing to score and bring it to a double digit win causes me to question his Redskin Fan pedigree... For a die hard, lifelong Redskins fan, who gets the history... it's a no brainer... score. Run to mid field. Dance on the Star.

There. I said it.

Back to reality... it was a good call on Hall's part, and remarkably thought full.

I agree with every word, CT: it was exactly the right play, but I love every point the Redskins score against that team from Dallas.

Oh, and for more than a week I get to remember that the Redskins just fins8ihed pulverizing the Eagles and Dallas. Ah...like having another Thanksgiving dinner, but one that lasts another week.

Add this ending to Kenny Houston saying "hello" to Walt Garrison.

riggofan wrote:+1. I don't see any reason why fans wouldn't give D. Hall credit for that play. If he scores the TD, the Cowboys still have a chance, however remote. By sliding at the 1 yd the Cowboys had ZERO chance. Game over.

I would have loved to see another TD on the board, but his play was the smart one.

There were 12 seconds left on the clock after Hall scored. It would have been 11 or 10 had he run in the TD. We squib the kickoff and that kills 2-4 seconds. Let's say they have a perfect Hail Mary that scores as fast as possible . . . that's going to run at least 7-8 seconds. The game is possibly over at that point, but let's say they do a successful onside kick. That's another 1-2 seconds at least. No way they squeeze in another Hail Mary.

When Hall downed it on the two, there was not a "ZERO" chance Dallas was done. We were still only up by 7, so if there was a botched snap on the victory formation and Dallas somehow ran it back, that's a tie game.

Unlikely? Yes, extremely. About as unlikely as . . . well, a team scoring a TD from their own 35, kicking an onside kick, recovering, and running another Hail Mary within 10 seconds of each other.

In other words, it's a wash. There was no "smart" play. Either was good for the W.

While I don't blame Hall for sliding, I'd rather have seen us get an extra seven against Dallas.

Bob 0119 wrote:

Redskinsfansince81 wrote:My sister pointed out that by not going into the end zone he kept the Cowboys from getting the ball back if by some miracle they could have scored and gotten the next onside kick.

There wasn't enough time for Dallas to score 14 points, there was what, 30 seconds left? I don't think any team has had two offensive touchdowns in that short a span of time.

The fact is, by taking the selfless role and sliding at the 1-yard line, the game is over with one kneel down.

I would have loved to see us win with double digits, but the smart play was slide and go victory formation.

30 seconds would have been plenty of time.

Had he run in and the time had been stopped at say :13 here is a scenario. We kick the PAT and there is still :13 left. We squib it into someone's chest and he runs it back for a TD with :01 left. They kick the PAT and there is still :01 left. They kick into our endzone, we muff, they recover for a TD, go for 2, get it, and win.

If this is really an "issue" with the fans, than I must admit I'm astonished. "We've" hit a new low. Lol

The only valid "complaint" is in regard to potential tie breaking scenarios.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:The only valid "complaint" is in regard to potential tie breaking scenarios.

Agreed.

I kinda saw it like this:

Instead of giving in to PE, Hall reccalled that song by Frankie and the Hollywoods - "Relax."

Oh oh
Wee-ell-Now!

Relax don't do it
When you want to go to it
Relax don't do it
When you want to ...

.
.
.

Relax
Higher higher

Hey-
Pray



This allowed the team to enjoy extended pleasure.

welch wrote:
Add this ending to Kenny Houston saying "hello" to Walt Garrison.

only the best open field tackle in NFL freaking history!

Countertrey wrote:

welch wrote:
Add this ending to Kenny Houston saying "hello" to Walt Garrison.

only the best open field tackle in NFL freaking history!

I'm seeing a pattern... OLD fans... (probably defined as those who loved Diron Talbert) who lived the rivalry... say TAKE IT TO THE HOUSE!


Younger fans don't get our confusion... think they understand... but really, they don't quite. We need a new Diron Talbert. Then, you'd get it.
Hating Dallas is not just a saying... it's a life long commitment...


“Tom Landry, hahahaha. Tex Schram, hahhaha. Roger Staubach, hahahha.“
-George Allen to a television camera, after beating Dallas in Texas Stadium in 1976.

The hate is barely breathing these days... very sad, really. LOL