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Deadskins wrote:Hall is the obvious choice. We get the full $8 mil back by cutting him.

I was thinking him, Fletch, and Chester. That would be about $15 M in cap space - I think.

I'd say cut Hall and restructure Williams, Cofield, and Bowen. There's a 50/50 chance Fletcher retires, I think, unless he's feeling like we've got a shot at the Super Bowl this year. Our draft class won't break the bank, so with the space we free up we'll even be able to make a play or two in the FA market.

I get the "hate" towards Hall to a degree. But it's pretty interesting that Hall gets more attention than the poor saftey play and spotty pass rush that plagued this defense most of the year. Our corners get run through the ringer but everyone turns a blind eye to the circumstances that hinder them. You CANNOT have an average to below average pass rush, and ZERO help over the top and expect your cornerbacks to play lights off ON EVERY SINGLE PASS. It's impossible, it's improbable, it's downright unreasonable to expect that. But, I expect you do, most of u.


That being said, I'd love to have Hall back. I hope he can be resigned to a more CAP friendly deal. He's a player that you won't miss until he's gone. Regardless of how people feel about him, he's a leader on this defense. He brings an emotional surge to the defense.

Irn-Bru wrote:I'd say cut Hall and restructure Williams, Cofield, and Bowen. There's a 50/50 chance Fletcher retires, I think, unless he's feeling like we've got a shot at the Super Bowl this year. Our draft class won't break the bank, so with the space we free up we'll even be able to make a play or two in the FA market.

I'm all for cutting Hall ---->(*)<---- and restructuring Williams... Cofield and Bowen are a little more tricky because it locks them in on the roster in future years due to their cap hits rather than on field production I'm thinking Flecth has as much right to make this decisions as the tea, he's earned it... Just like Bob earned the chance to stay in a playoff game on one leg. <=== That would get you banned on ES

As far as the * goes...

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I get the "hate" towards Hall to a degree. But it's pretty interesting that Hall gets more attention than the poor saftey play and spotty pass rush that plagued this defense most of the year. Our corners get run through the ringer but everyone turns a blind eye to the circumstances that hinder them. You CANNOT have an average to below average pass rush, and ZERO help over the top and expect your cornerbacks to play lights off ON EVERY SINGLE PASS. It's impossible, it's improbable, it's downright unreasonable to expect that. But, I expect you do, most of u.


That being said, I'd love to have Hall back. I hope he can be resigned to a more CAP friendly deal. He's a player that you won't miss until he's gone. Regardless of how people feel about him, he's a leader on this defense. He brings an emotional surge to the defense.

It's strating to look like it would be better to cut then re-sign Hall than to rework his "capgate deal", it would be even better if... ... ... some of you know where I'm going . Re-sign him has a FS and let him play the slot receiver ever now and then.

FYI: Don't be surprised if Fletcher 's cap hit is $1M more than being reported, and Hall rerlease carries $1.3M in dead cap.

You'll only be surprised, if I get lazy

I'm looking into both deals again.

Yeah, on second thought, it would probably be a bad idea to restructure Bowen and Cofield.

I would say consider cutting one of them, but I know they were voted defensive captains, so they are clearly valuable to the team. I just wish we were seeing a little more disruption from the interior of our line.

I also feel that the pass rush (or lack thereof) has to bear some of the blame for the poor play of the secondary

I also would like to see Hall be given a chance at SS - I'm sure he knows his salary is going to be a lot less

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I get the "hate" towards Hall to a degree. But it's pretty interesting that Hall gets more attention than the poor saftey play and spotty pass rush that plagued this defense most of the year. Our corners get run through the ringer but everyone turns a blind eye to the circumstances that hinder them. You CANNOT have an average to below average pass rush, and ZERO help over the top and expect your cornerbacks to play lights off ON EVERY SINGLE PASS. It's impossible, it's improbable, it's downright unreasonable to expect that. But, I expect you do, most of u.


That being said, I'd love to have Hall back. I hope he can be resigned to a more CAP friendly deal. He's a player that you won't miss until he's gone. Regardless of how people feel about him, he's a leader on this defense. He brings an emotional surge to the defense.

Just curious, did anyone record that last Skins Cowboys game? I'm curious to know if our DBs did exceptionally well in that game (hence contributing to D Hall's good performance).

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:Just curious, did anyone record that last Skins Cowboys game? I'm curious to know if our DBs did exceptionally well in that game (hence contributing to D Hall's good performance).

It's a team game, so there were a few factors.

1. Hall played a good game.
2. Romo going Romo.
3. Haslett's play calling.

When Romo had time in the pocket, he picked us apart. With the game on the line, Haslett increased the pressure and Rob Jackson sealed the deal. I'll watch it again from start to end but that's what I remember from breifly skipping through it the other night.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:Just curious, did anyone record that last Skins Cowboys game? I'm curious to know if our DBs did exceptionally well in that game (hence contributing to D Hall's good performance).

It's a team game, so there were a few factors.

1. Hall played a good game.
2. Romo going Romo.
3. Haslett's play calling.

When Romo had time in the pocket, he picked us apart. With the game on the line, Haslett increased the pressure and Rob Jackson sealed the deal. I'll watch it again from start to end but that's what I remember from breifly skipping through it the other night.

Awesome thanks for checking it out!! Would really be something to think about if Hall did so well on account our safeties stepping up as well.

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:Just curious, did anyone record that last Skins Cowboys game? I'm curious to know if our DBs did exceptionally well in that game (hence contributing to D Hall's good performance).

It's a team game, so there were a few factors.

1. Hall played a good game.
2. Romo going Romo.
3. Haslett's play calling.

When Romo had time in the pocket, he picked us apart. With the game on the line, Haslett increased the pressure and Rob Jackson sealed the deal. I'll watch it again from start to end but that's what I remember from breifly skipping through it the other night.

Awesome thanks for checking it out!! Would really be something to think about if Hall did so well on account our safeties stepping up as well.

If he had a pick six it would have been a perfect game for him... He played lights out! Imo, He usually does, its the help that kills us. He is a gambler, but needs the help to be dangerous. He covered Dez like a blanket- and again usually does... When he gambles and misses, and the help isn't there, thats when we get torched. We want to be a stingy ball hawking D, and that's his style- just need the right pieces for it all to work.
I hope we can restructure and keep him in b&g.

our defense will be a lot more effective with better play from the front 7 AND the secondary ..

just addressing the secondary is not THE only issue - we need much more effective play from the guys up front AS WELL

a good defense is a lot better 'looking' when ALL of the guys are doing their job

our secondary was NOT good but it was not helped AT ALL by the play of the guys up front - we need to be able to apply pressure EVEN when we are only sending the minimum


I'm sure that Hall knows that the ONLY way he's playing here is for a lot less money and maybe having a shot at S

Rumor has it......

We might get a bit of salary cap relief via the 36 million stole from us last offseason.

Great... another baseless rumor...

Countertrey wrote:Great... another baseless rumor...

Sadly, I'm just about desperate enough to believe anything at this point.

Can anyone settle a disagreement my son and I are having??

I say -- we will have plenty of cap space next year due to this $18 mil hit this year.

He says -- we won't as we structured a bunch of contracts last year that hit heaviest in 14.

He couldn't name any specific players that got back end loaded contracts. Even if we did this, I contend any back-end loaded contracts can be redone or the player cut. I just cant see how we won't have plenty of cap room next year.

Of course, we will want to ensure we have the cap room to give RGIII a Kings Ransom when his rookie deal expires. If Flacco got $20 mil a year, what will RGIII get? Unless he does what Wade did and gives up some to keep other guys around on the team. Flacco's deal is hurting the Ravens now.

Actually, 1niksder just answered your question here.

Okay, I'll admit that I don't have a great understanding of the cap, but... in the NFL are teams able to defer money? Like in baseball a guy might restructure to take money after he leaves the team, like they have a 10 million dollar contract in their last season and they defer. Take 5 million now, then 1 million a year for 6 years after they retire. That way they get more money but it helps the team in the short term.

Is this possible?

Also, how do these restructuring deals work? Players are taking guaranteed money and converting it to bonuses. Are bonuses calculated differently?

Skinsfan55 wrote:Okay, I'll admit that I don't have a great understanding of the cap, but... in the NFL are teams able to defer money? Like in baseball a guy might restructure to take money after he leaves the team, like they have a 10 million dollar contract in their last season and they defer. Take 5 million now, then 1 million a year for 6 years after they retire. That way they get more money but it helps the team in the short term.

Is this possible?

No. Not in the NFL.

Also, how do these restructuring deals work? Players are taking guaranteed money and converting it to bonuses. Are bonuses calculated differently?

In some cases, Yes. More often the player is converting Salary to bonus money, and/or extending the term of the deal. This can help the team in several ways.

Converting salary to bonus money gives cap relief in the current year because the team can prorate the bonus money over the term of the contract. For example. A player with a 4 year contract and $5M in 2013 salary will count $5M against the cap in that year. But, a guy with a $1M base salary and a $4.M bonus will still make $5M in 2013, but his cap number will only be $2M ( $1M of his base salary + $1M which is 1/4th of his bonus pro rated over the life of the deal). Now if the restructure includes an extension, sometimes it will sound like more money, but the team benefits by pro rating the portion that is bonus money over more years, further reducing the immediate cap hit.

The drawback is that intelligent and conservative teams only restructure guys who they expect to be on the team for a while, because if you cut a player after you restructure him, the remaining prorated amount is accelerated and counts all at once the following year in "Dead Money"

That's what Dummy Cerrato used to always do. It made the team keep old veterans at high contracts or left us with a lot of dead cap.

The Redskins are being smarter about it. They restructured Moss in such a way that he has no money pushed into the future. There are other players that they haven't restructured yet, possibly because they're being patient to see whether they even need to. We fans should to.

The Hogster wrote: ... The Redskins are being smarter about it. They restructured Moss in such a way that he has no money pushed into the future. There are other players that they haven't restructured yet, possibly because they're being patient to see whether they even need to. We fans should to.

THANK YOU - very well portrayed ...

The situation is not as good as it could be if we had more 'room' with the salary cap BUT it's sure nowhere near as bad as some are thinking
we would love to resolve some of our issues and just "buy" some talent like we used to and like other teams are doing this season - HOWVER - there are no guarantees that acquiring a very talented player, instantly makes you a whole lot better - we have seen that first hand



LOOK ... we do have issues but we are very fortunate to have a good bunch of guys looking at the situation and managing this franchise

we just won the NFC East and while we cannot make this team 'better' the easy way - I think these guys will find a way to put a 'better' team on the field

AND

I think they're setting us up to continue to be playoff contenders for the next few years ... at the very least

Just curious, is the Redskins Salary Cap page going to be updated anytime soon? I would love to see really where we stand with the recent FA signings and restructuring.

radi8 wrote:Just curious, is the Redskins Salary Cap page going to be updated anytime soon? I would love to see really where we stand with the recent FA signings and restructuring.

This weekend

1niksder wrote:

radi8 wrote:Just curious, is the Redskins Salary Cap page going to be updated anytime soon? I would love to see really where we stand with the recent FA signings and restructuring.

This weekend

Outstanding! Thanks for keeping us informed.

1niksder wrote:

radi8 wrote:Just curious, is the Redskins Salary Cap page going to be updated anytime soon? I would love to see really where we stand with the recent FA signings and restructuring.

This weekend

How on Earth do you find all of the info and keep track of it?

1niksder wrote:

radi8 wrote:Just curious, is the Redskins Salary Cap page going to be updated anytime soon? I would love to see really where we stand with the recent FA signings and restructuring.

This weekend

Did you get a chance to do this yet?

I also have some questions ..

is this year's cap hit, some form of 'benefit' to us next year?

I have heard the term a "flat cap" used for 2014 - ??

I've noticed, there are a number of players signing 1 year deals this year - I think this means that there are going to be a lot of players 'available'

a whole LOT more