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Chris Luva Luva wrote:IMO I believe we let our foot off of the gas too soon.

I agree with this. There were times when we got inside the 30 and we played conservatively. I think that we could have scored at will the way RGIII was drilling the ball spot on.

This not to say we should have stopped running, I would rather seen Shanny mix it up when we got inside the 30.

RayNAustin wrote:

TincoSkin wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:I've got only one complaint with this game .... please stop running RG3 ... if he has to run, fine ... but let's stop this designed run option play. Doesn't belong in the NFL and let's try to keep this kid safe.

i missed that. did we run that more than once? once is too many IMO but if it becomes a thing he'll end up like vick, and i dont mean hanging dogs from trees.

They ran that play at least 5 times, maybe 6 or 7 .... or at least it felt like 7.

Official stats have RGIII running 10 for 42 yds. I didn't realize he ran that much.

I was impressed with Cundif on the KOs and after narrowing making the first two FGs, he was dead center on the rest - even the 45 yarder in the 4th quarter which is the quarter that he excels in.

Hats off to Shanny for going with him as a kicker.

I heard on the radio that the Saints were 5 in rushing last year. Hats off to the D for shutting down the run which hurt their play action success.

Brees was held to less than 50% completions- 24 of 52.

The Griffin Toast of the preseason looked good out there today at CB. The strip for the TB was priceless.

Can't remember a game this exciting/pleasant in many, many years. We looked like a real NFL team out there. My only concern is that we'll come "back down to earth" as the season progresses. But, even if so, I'm incredibly pleased with the direction of the franchise!

Good:

RGIII was super(man)!
Aldrick Robinson still shows great concentration on the ball.
Garcon is worth every penny we are paying him.
O line - they did their job well enough for two rookies to shine - what can I say.
(mentioned the D holding Brees under 50% and the Run D earlier)

Mixed:

Banks had some good returns and of course, his longest KOR called back. One catch for a first down.
Two fumbles for him messed up a good day. I am beginning to wonder if he has trouble in domed stadiums with punts. Laat year's Rams game he had some muffs (no turnovers). On Monday night, last year in Dallas, I think that he had a muff.

The Bad:

Did Paul drop a pass or am I still stuck in the preseason?

Madieu Williams - He is supposed to be the cerebral safety - that TD in the corner was horrible. That defenseless receiver hit was another poor judgment on his part - the ball hit him in the chest.

cvillehog wrote:Can't remember a game this exciting/pleasant in many, many years. We looked like a real NFL team out there. My only concern is that we'll come "back down to earth" as the season progresses. But, even if so, I'm incredibly pleased with the direction of the franchise!

Next week is a good test. Remember that ole "We play to the level of our competition?"

We played a very good team today, we played very well. The Rams ahve always managed in recent years to play us so close that we own very ugly or downright gave them the game (almost gave it to them last year after 17-0 lead).

We need to come out like we did today. I think RGIII will be a big factor in keeping us from taking the Rams lightly. Reed Doughty asked if the feeling on the sideline was different today. He said yes.

RGIII only rookie QB to win today
2nd highest yards by a rookie QB in his first start ever (only behind Cam).

Red_One43 wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:

TincoSkin wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:I've got only one complaint with this game .... please stop running RG3 ... if he has to run, fine ... but let's stop this designed run option play. Doesn't belong in the NFL and let's try to keep this kid safe.

i missed that. did we run that more than once? once is too many IMO but if it becomes a thing he'll end up like vick, and i dont mean hanging dogs from trees.

They ran that play at least 5 times, maybe 6 or 7 .... or at least it felt like 7.

Official stats have RGIII running 10 for 42 yds. I didn't realize he ran that much.

I think they count sacks as run attempts (even if the play wasn't designed to be a run)

Bob 0119 wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:

TincoSkin wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:I've got only one complaint with this game .... please stop running RG3 ... if he has to run, fine ... but let's stop this designed run option play. Doesn't belong in the NFL and let's try to keep this kid safe.

i missed that. did we run that more than once? once is too many IMO but if it becomes a thing he'll end up like vick, and i dont mean hanging dogs from trees.

They ran that play at least 5 times, maybe 6 or 7 .... or at least it felt like 7.

Official stats have RGIII running 10 for 42 yds. I didn't realize he ran that much.

I think they count sacks as run attempts (even if the play wasn't designed to be a run)

In college they do count sacks as runs, but in the pros they count sacks against passing yardage. Since the Skins were running the framework of a college offense, the stats guy may have gotten confused.

After Garcon had to leave i was pleased to see a good mix of receivers. I haven't seen a breakdown of receptions yet but RGIII spread the ball around in a way that drives the defense coach nuts. I think it is pure intuition on RGIII's part too, i saw him look off a couple open receivers to toss it elsewhere.
I also enjoyed keeping track of how they were running Morris. I thought they'd keep him tight up the middle, they just couldn't get anything going there in the 1st half - they gave it a hard try too. The 3rd quarter they let him bounce outside, that put the hurt on the Saints! He would have had more yardage if they adjusted the running game plan sooner but i am glad they didn't, it worked out perfect and now he has lots of great experience.

I haven't read the game thread - did anyone see the stat that we scored
10 points in each quarter. How' that for a salute an outstanding opening debut for #10.

oj wrote:After Garcon had to leave i was pleased to see a good mix of receivers. I haven't seen a breakdown of receptions yet but RGIII spread the ball around in a way that drives the defense coach nuts. I think it is pure intuition on RGIII's part too, i saw him look off a couple open receivers to toss it elsewhere.
I also enjoyed keeping track of how they were running Morris. I thought they'd keep him tight up the middle, they just couldn't get anything going there in the 1st half - they gave it a hard try too. The 3rd quarter they let him bounce outside, that put the hurt on the Saints! He would have had more yardage if they adjusted the running game plan sooner but i am glad they didn't, it worked out perfect and now he has lots of great experience.

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Red_One43 wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:

TincoSkin wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:I've got only one complaint with this game .... please stop running RG3 ... if he has to run, fine ... but let's stop this designed run option play. Doesn't belong in the NFL and let's try to keep this kid safe.

i missed that. did we run that more than once? once is too many IMO but if it becomes a thing he'll end up like vick, and i dont mean hanging dogs from trees.

They ran that play at least 5 times, maybe 6 or 7 .... or at least it felt like 7.

Official stats have RGIII running 10 for 42 yds. I didn't realize he ran that much.

Yeah, the stats say 10 carries .. but I'm referring to the running plays that are designed for him to run. I don't like the designed keepers, and there were a lot of those .... 5-7 of them among the 10 carries.

In my mind, it's just stupid to subject him to that much physical punishment "purposely". He's not built like Cam Newton. Hopefully, they just believed that they needed to go "all in" in order to beat the Saints, and this won't be a regular offensive strategy.

Truthfully ... the jury is still out on the Shanaclan ... as I believe the two of them are highly overrated. They've made some great moves on personnel, but I've been less than impressed with their strategies and game decisions over the past couple years.

Case in point today ... with an offense that was consistently moving the chains and scoring points ... the forced fumble and touchback gave us the ball with over 1:30 before the half. They decided to play it safe and go very conservative, and try to run out the clock rather than attack. That led to three plays and a blocked punt. These are the Saints for christ sake .. much better to stay aggressive. The ONLY time you can afford to play it safe with a high powered opponent like that is in the latter part of 4th quarter ... not the 2nd Q.

With all of the kudos being directed at RGIII, let's not forget the other rookie, Alfred Morris. I don't know how many yards he got today but it seemed like he was just as great as RGIII. Seemed like he never went backwards, even when he got stopped for no gain or a loss. Without either of them, this game would have b4en different.

aswas71788 wrote:With all of the kudos being directed at RGIII, let's not forget the other rookie, Alfred Morris. I don't know how many yards he got today but it seemed like he was just as great as RGIII. Seemed like he never went backwards, even when he got stopped for no gain or a loss. Without either of them, this game would have b4en different.

28 carries 96 yds 3.4 avg 2 TDs

Yes, yes! RG3, DEFENSE and THE HOGETTES get it done! Impressive win against a high-powered Saints team.

Good start to the season.

Red_One43 wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:With all of the kudos being directed at RGIII, let's not forget the other rookie, Alfred Morris. I don't know how many yards he got today but it seemed like he was just as great as RGIII. Seemed like he never went backwards, even when he got stopped for no gain or a loss. Without either of them, this game would have b4en different.

28 carries 96 yds 3.4 avg 2 TDs

It kind of reminds me of John "The Diesel" Riggins or Ernest Byner from the 1991 Superbowl season. He has a great burst of speed and toughness.

aswas71788 wrote:With all of the kudos being directed at RGIII, let's not forget the other rookie, Alfred Morris. I don't know how many yards he got today but it seemed like he was just as great as RGIII. Seemed like he never went backwards, even when he got stopped for no gain or a loss. Without either of them, this game would have b4en different.

95 yards ... and his goal line running was huge. Morris is a real surprise, and he just keeps getting the job done.

Perhaps the biggest surprise is the secondary. I know the yards and points may not look like it ... but they did a heck of a job, and really held N.O. to 10 points over 3 quarters.

Cedric G. had a very good game ... and everyone in the secondary made plays today. Keeping Brees to under 50% comp is the key stat there. helped obviously by a very good pass rush.

It seemed like everyone was contributing, and making plays when they needed to. A very encouraging game across the board.

And let's not leave out the O-Line ... they did a good job today ... it all starts right there.

[quote="Countertrey"]Move it to here, folks! The era has begun! Discuss![/quote
RG3 looked great and i bet the saints knows
now.great start to the season and i hope it continues.

RayNAustin wrote:Yeah, the stats say 10 carries .. but I'm referring to the running plays that are designed for him to run. I don't like the designed keepers, and there were a lot of those .... 5-7 of them among the 10 carries.

In my mind, it's just stupid to subject him to that much physical punishment "purposely". He's not built like Cam Newton. Hopefully, they just believed that they needed to go "all in" in order to beat the Saints, and this won't be a regular offensive strategy..

Agreed the reward for that play is not worth the risk to do it that often. RGIII got far more reward from just throwing the ball with spot on accuracy. To get hurt on a play like that would be devastating especially after seein him tear his ACL running an option play.

Truthfully ... the jury is still out on the Shanaclan ... as I believe the two of them are highly overrated. They've made some great moves on personnel, but I've been less than impressed with their strategies and game decisions over the past couple years.

Although, I think that you win your point below, I don't think that it fits your assertion above. Even Belichick does some kooky things. What coach doesn't? It is all about "What have you done for me lately?" and lately, the Shanaclan is off to a 1-0 start and that is because of RGIII and RGIII is here because of Mike Shanahan.

Case in point today ... with an offense that was consistently moving the chains and scoring points ... the forced fumble and touchback gave us the ball with over 1:30 before the half. They decided to play it safe and go very conservative, and try to run out the clock rather than attack. That led to three plays and a blocked punt. These are the Saints for christ sake .. much better to stay aggressive. The ONLY time you can afford to play it safe with a high powered opponent like that is in the latter part of 4th quarter ... not the 2nd Q.

Case closed!!! No Contest! 46 seconds to at least get in FG range is nothing for Drew Brees. We saw drive for a TD in just over a minute. Buuut, every coach can be second guessed. I agree with your critique here, but we didn't win the game in spite of the Shanaclan, so I don't buy it that this supports that he is overrated.

Well I gotta congratulate your team's win..that was a nice win, outplaying the Saints by more than what that final score was.

And isn't it something that virtually all of you fans picked the Redskins to lose this game. So if you think you're going to "stick it in the face of the "haters"" with this, you're gonna have to stick it in your own face, first.

From the predictions that I saw from Redskin fans, it turns out that I was giving them much more of a chance than most of you were. Imagine that.

(It's actually has to do with the knowledge I have. Anyways...)

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

But it is hard to know what this means for the Redskins. Especially since they're running this pretty alternative looking offense with its QB in the Pistol formation so much. The rest of the league now can do what the Saints couldnt do: gameplan. So we'll see. But good game #1. And this is not uncommon for the Redskins. In fact, week one they are now 3-0 under Shanahan....beating the favorite each time. Gibbs was 3-1 in his openers. Even Spurrier was 2-0. For the redskins, it's wake me up when september ends. True colors show then.

Side note:

One thing I kept thinking as I watched this game, was boy the Redskins NOW really miss Sean Taylor. I never thought that previously because, well, for the last couple of years, it wouldnt have mattered.

But now, in today's NFL with guys like Jimmy Graham all over the league, Sean Taylor would be a piece to that defense to defend against guys like that but also would be a presence to the back 4 to go along with a hustling front 7. They dont have a presence back there. Imagine Carlos Rogers, Champ Bailey, Sean Taylor and Laron Landry (who had a standout day for the Jets) in the defense's secondary.

Gentlemen, didn't see the game today and wanted to know how the offensive line looked. I'd heard a lot of chatter in the preseason and before the game that the skins were going to have get a body bag out for Robert because he wouldn't survive 3 plays behind our awful line.

However, he seems to have survived, so I imagine the line must have been ok-ish. If someone could let me know, particularly how the left side of the . . . actually I wanna know about all 5 guys up front.

Thanks,
Emoses14

Interesting, it appears as though the Saints had a good idea of what the Skins were gonna try and do offensively and simply couldn't slow down the train. From THEIR OWN MOUTHS, it sounds like they game planned pretty specifically for what the Skins ran.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... rise-them/

Hmm.

Can't remember the last time I saw that kind of QB play for the Redskins.

It's possible I've never seen QB play that good from a Skins QB.

And that was his first ever game in the NFL. Unbelievable.