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skinsfan#33 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Why would injuries at those positions affect our meeting with ey? Do you have a link to something that says the meeting was called off?

I think I heard it in Shanny's Monday presser, but I can't remember for sure. I know it was reported and it was something I heard on the radio, but i'm sorry that I can't rember the exact time.

As far as unrelated injuries impacting ey's meeting, that was just a guess on my part as to why the meeting was waived off. If they did impact it, my guess would be that they had "bigger fish to fry" pertaining to those injuries.

I suspect if you continue to rack up 40 points a game and beat the likes of Drew Brees you're under a lot less pressure from the fan base to hold meetings with Chris ey. Is that too cynical?

riggofan wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Why would injuries at those positions affect our meeting with ey? Do you have a link to something that says the meeting was called off?

I think I heard it in Shanny's Monday presser, but I can't remember for sure. I know it was reported and it was something I heard on the radio, but i'm sorry that I can't rember the exact time.

As far as unrelated injuries impacting ey's meeting, that was just a guess on my part as to why the meeting was waived off. If they did impact it, my guess would be that they had "bigger fish to fry" pertaining to those injuries.

I suspect if you continue to rack up 40 points a game and beat the likes of Drew Brees you're under a lot less pressure from the fan base to hold meetings with Chris ey. Is that too cynical?

No, it's probably the truth, unless ey can plan safety.

Deadskins wrote:Anyone know what day this meeting was supposed to take place?

Apparently Bruce Allen met with ey on Thursday, but they are not close to re-signing ey right now. According to Shannahan Bruce had "a good conversation" with Chris, but ey wants to be a starter in the NFL.

Shannahan also acknowledged that "Chris has been such a big part of this organization.”

More from the article:
“We talked about things that could possibly happen throughout the year,” Shanahan added. “But if he did go to another team, it would to be as a starter. If he doesn’t have that opportunity, I think he’s going to just sit back and [evaluate] as time goes on. But he’s not going to make any decisions quickly.”

An injury to Redskins’ starting tight end Fred Davis or fullback Darrel Young could open that door for ey, who lives in Leesburg, Va.

“There’s a good conversation [but] I’m not going to go through our conversation and all the different scenarios,” Shanahan said. “He means to this organization and right now he would like to come back as a starter if someone goes down."

http://www.csnwashington.com/football-w ... eedID=6458

Couldn't be any worse then Fred Davis... 2 catches? He needs more productivity then that. As well as more yac like ey used to be known for.

ey is a luxury at this point. One we may not be able to afford. 4 TE's?? Active on gameday?? That's a bit much, especially since ey doesn't play ST. It would be great to have him line up opposite Davis. But, who sits? Niles Paul plays ST, and he hasn't been very involved in the Offense either.

The Hogster wrote:But, who sits?

Paulsen

I actually like Paulsen over Niles Paul. Paulson is a big target and when he catches the ball is quite physical. The one catch I seen him make against the Saints I liked what I saw. Niles Paul well does he even have a catch yet?

As far as ey is concerned. I think we do have to address the defensive secondary depth before we worry about resigning ey. I love ey but first things first.

HEROHAMO wrote:I actually like Paulsen over Niles Paul. Paulson is a big target and when he catches the ball is quite physical. The one catch I seen him make against the Saints I liked what I saw. Niles Paul well does he even have a catch yet?

I agree, he kind of reminded me of ey.

Deadskins wrote:

The Hogster wrote:But, who sits?

Paulsen

Paulsen? The guy that caught that drive extending 3 rd down pass and plays special teams? I don't think so.

This is what puzzles me. ey sayed that he would do anything to play on this team and now, he says he has to be a starter, so he will sit and wait. Does this sound like the ey we know?

If this were true that he wants to be a starter, that sounds as if he would have made the team, if he had chose to be a back up. Not buying that.

We would have been back to 4 TEs. I am sure that Shanny looked at ways of keeping 4 TEs, but it just doesn't fit unless he cuts Rex and from the looks of things, that ain't happeing anytime soon.

I think that the first starting injured TE, anywhere, will get ey re-signed by the Skins. Shanny will be forced to make a move if they come calling for Chris.

Red_One43 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

The Hogster wrote:But, who sits?

Paulsen

Paulsen? The guy that caught that drive extending 3 rd down pass and plays special teams? I don't think so.

I only offered him up because Paul was off limits due to playing ST. Like I said, Paulsen reminded me of ey last Sunday. I've never seen Paul do anything.

Deadskins wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

The Hogster wrote:But, who sits?

Paulsen

Paulsen? The guy that caught that drive extending 3 rd down pass and plays special teams? I don't think so.

I only offered him up because Paul was off limits due to playing ST. Like I said, Paulsen reminded me of ey last Sunday. I've never seen Paul do anything.

I understand what you are saying which makes this latest ey news puzzling. It appears that Davis (looking to repeat last year but for 16 games), Paul (ST)l and Paulsen (spot player and ST) are untouchable in Shanny's eyes when it comes to ey.

What if ey said, Ok, I will be a back up, would he be on the team now? I don't think so.

It takes three TE to put up ey like numbers? Really? I'm gonna have to see a lot more from Davis, some more from Niles, and about the same from Paul to validate not having captain chaos on the squad.

cowboykillerzRED wrote:It takes three TE to put up ey like numbers? Really? I'm gonna have to see a lot more from Davis, some more from Niles, and about the same from Paul to validate not having captain chaos on the squad.

Any thoughts on why nobody has jumped on ey believing that he is better than the starter that they have? My understanding, from ey, is everybody that has enquired about him, wants him to be a back up.

Where is that Great TE Body Snatcher, Belichick? In this TE episode, does this mean that ey isn't good enough to warrant being beamed to TE Land? Or Does it mean that Belichick and Shanny are such good friends that he has backed off from ey because Shanny has something up his sleeve?

The Hogster wrote:Niles Paul plays ST, and he hasn't been very involved in the Offense either.

Just because you don't see Paul catching passes on every other play doesn't mean he isn't or hasn't been involved on offense. In fact, Paul was quite active last Sunday, much the same as he was at the end of last year.

…Tight end Niles Paul got off to an excellent start as a tight end, though in truth what he did on the first series – when his impact was greatest – was the same as he did at the end of last season. The Redskins used him in space and let him use his quickness. He blocked linebacker David Hawthorne on the second play (after lining up in the slot), enabling Garcon to get upfield for 12 yards. Next play: Paul lined up wide and turned the corner out, giving Garcon another lane (for 14 yards after the catch). Next play: Another bubble screen to Garcon and this time Paul takes care of the corner for a nine-yard gain. And, yes, on the next play Paul lined up wide left again and took care of the corner for a Robinson bubble screen (and eight yards after the catch).

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Couldn't be any worse then Fred Davis... 2 catches? He needs more productivity then that. As well as more yac like ey used to be known for.

It's only been one game. Mike and Kyle can't unload the entire playbook in one game. The offensive strategy will change from week to week, which means they'll emphasize different players accordingly. Not to mention, even though Davis may have only caught 2 passes last week, he was targeted 4 or 5 times.

Davis was one of the most productive players on offense last year, which is why the Skins subsequently hung the franchise tag on him for this season. I don't think there's any doubt Davis will get his touches this year and will make the most of them. He's already proven to be a productive and dynamic player.

I still remember when certain folks around here were in an uproar when the team drafted Davis, stating that we already had ey and therefore didn't need another TE. Meanwhile, the league has seen the evolution of the TE position in today's game and has emphasized the position on their roasters, using multiple high draft picks for multiple TE's. Entering just his 4th season, Davis got the franchise tag for being one of the most productive players on offense while ey has struggled with injuries over the past few years that have slowed him to the point that the coaches couldn't even find a way to keep him on the roster. Others players have stepped up while ey took a few steps backwards. I love ey just as much as the next guy, but it's hard to see where he'll fit at this point. Keeping 4 TE's on the roster does seem like a lot.

I hear ya, on all accounts. Fact remains 2 catches a game is a 32 catch year. I'm not saying ey > Davis.. just that ey can grab a few passes and Davis should be grabbing a lot.more for his role in this offense. Rookie qb needs more from a TE.

cowboykillerzRED wrote:I hear ya, on all accounts. Fact remains 2 catches a game is a 32 catch year. I'm not saying ey > Davis.. just that ey can grab a few passes and Davis should be grabbing a lot.more for his role in this offense. Rookie qb needs more from a TE.

C'mon, CKR, we rolled up over 400 yds of Offense and got the win. RGIII had everything he needed in that game, a running game which is more crucial than a TE, sufficient line protection and reliable receivers that got open and had lots of YAC. In this O, there are too many weapons to say RGIII needs to rely on a TE. Even Banks caught first down pass in the opening game. Though the score didn't show it, he got good play from his defense as well.

I think TE is less important now that we don't have to lean on the position as much as in the past. The days of ey and Moss carrying our passing game are finally over. We have more weapons and will spread the ball around.

Red_One43 wrote:This is what puzzles me. ey sayed that he would do anything to play on this team and now, he says he has to be a starter, so he will sit and wait. Does this sound like the ey we know?

No, but it sounds like the press we know. I read the article and thought the same thing. However, don't forget we're reading all this filtered through the media. I wouldn't believe either side exactly until you hear from someone more directly and without an agenda.

Really , I expected this just to be few weeks to have his new agent figure out what the market was for Chris. I cant believe he hasnt gotten a single offer for a starting job. Maybe he has and wasnt satisfied with the number, who knows.


We all knew he was probably going to have to restructure to stay here. Maybe his agent is waiting for that big injury (here or elsewhere) to set the market.

Maybe this was a great smoke and mirrors acting job by both sides just to give him a few more weeks to get his injuries sorted without using the IR or a roster spot and he'll be back by the first home game.


Maybe they wanted a few more weeks to evaluate Paul before releasing him or converting him back to WR and getting one of those guys out.

Either way, the information is pretty sketchy. Thats why I think theres more to this than were hearing from either side. Seems like theyre buying time. For what, I dont know but it sure is fun to speculate.

Red_One43 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

The Hogster wrote:But, who sits?

Paulsen

Paulsen? The guy that caught that drive extending 3 rd down pass and plays special teams? I don't think so.

If given the oppurtunity he can do well. He is a big target, hands of glue and would be a tough guy to bring down. I would actually consider starting him. Thats just me though. Fred Davis is talented but I still would love to see Paulsen in goaline situations and short yardage.

HEROHAMO wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

The Hogster wrote:But, who sits?

Paulsen

Paulsen? The guy that caught that drive extending 3 rd down pass and plays special teams? I don't think so.

If given the oppurtunity he can do well. He is a big target, hands of glue and would be a tough guy to bring down. I would actually consider starting him. Thats just me though. Fred Davis is talented but I still would love to see Paulsen in goaline situations and short yardage.

Sean McVay, TE Coach, hinted during training camp that Paulsen has been overlooked by fans and media. I am guilty.

Deadskins wrote:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000064344/article/chris-cooley-redskins-wont-call-unless-injury-bug-hits

The way he is talking, it sounds like he is done. I wouldn't even expect that much of him if we did happen to have a few injuries and signed him on.