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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:37 pm
by 1niksder
langleyparkjoe wrote:riggofan wrote:Yeah I'm not buying that at all re:
cutting 
ey unless he just physically can't play anymore. I don't see Danny getting stingy all of a sudden over one of the most popular players on the team.
Fedex isn't filled up with Logan Paulsen jerseys on Sunday.
If Danny wants to show and prove that he's really changed, keeping
ey on board will definitely do it. I mean afterall he's always saying that he was a Skins fan before he bought the team.. here's his best chance to show it.
I agree 100% with the bold part as well Riggo!!
If "the Danny" has anything to do with
ey staying on the roster it will mean
ey SHOULDN'T be on the roster and "the Danny" HASN'T changed.
IMO: If
ey makes the squad it will because of
ey, His cap number won't matter if he can't help the team.
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:23 pm
by SkinsJock
1niksder wrote:IMO: If
ey makes the squad it will because of
ey ... his cap number won't matter if he can't help the team.
I agree with this AND Danny does NOT have any say in who is on the roster or what they are paid
ey has indicated he will take a cut - if they want to keep him they'll figure out how to make it all work
Snyder does not have any input on the roster any more and I don't think he interferes with these guys AT ALL
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:54 pm
by Red_One43
Roster Math with Rich Campbell
This article is mainly about finding a way to keep Alfred Morris by doing a little roster math. Campbell tells us that Shanny has kept 8 O-linemen in his first two years. Campbell believes is Shanny does only keep 8 OL again, then there is a toss up between a 6th receiver, 4th TE or 5th RB.
He doesn't give you much more math than that, but is is a little something to help you with your 53.
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:32 am
by Deadskins
Red_One43 wrote:Campbell believes is Shanny does only keep 8 OL again, then there is a toss up between a 6th receiver, 4th TE or 5th RB.
It'd have to be a 7th WR, right? No way we only keep five.
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:35 am
by emoses14
langleyparkjoe wrote:riggofan wrote:Yeah I'm not buying that at all re:
cutting ey unless he just physically can't play anymore. I don't see Danny getting stingy all of a sudden over one of the most popular players on the team.
Fedex isn't filled up with Logan Paulsen jerseys on Sunday.
If Danny wants to show and prove that he's really changed, keeping
ey on board will definitely do it. I mean afterall he's always saying that he was a Skins fan before he bought the team.. here's his best chance to show it.
I agree 100% with the bold part as well Riggo!!
It isn't Dan Snyder's decision to make. Its Allen and Shanahan's.
EDIT: I should have read further down the thread before posting, sorry for the repeated idea.
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:49 am
by Red_One43
Deadskins wrote:Red_One43 wrote:Campbell believes is Shanny does only keep 8 OL again, then there is a toss up between a 6th receiver, 4th TE or 5th RB.
It'd have to be a 7th WR, right? No way we only keep five.
By putting the 6th slot as optional, Campbell defies his own logic for keeping 8 OL. He says that Shanny keep 8 OL in each of the last two seasons. Well, he kept 6 WRs in 2010 and he kept 8 WRs last year. So 7 this year!
(just joking with this logic for 7). If He had mentioned that Shanny has kept only 5 at times in Denver, then Campbells argument for 5 would make a tad bit more sense, but just a tad since he didn't go back to Bronco days with the OL.
Given the receiver candidates we have, I just don't see only 5, but I have decided to stop saying "no way" with Shanny.
Here's a case for five - Garcon, Hank, Santana (slot), Morgan, Briscoe with Crawford as you primary PR (Moss as back up). Paul as your KOR.
That's a only case for 5, but
here's why you would most likely win a bet saying "no way." Between AR, AAA, and BB, you lose that straight downfield speed. Garcon is fast, but the other three are blazers. At least one of those guys is staying. I have two so far for 7 slots.
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:43 pm
by 1niksder
Chris ey willing to take any role to stay with Redskins
With Fred Davis emerging at tight end for the Redskins and his 2011 season ruined by injury, Chris
ey knows that he isn’t going to be playing his familiar role for the Redskins this season.
He seems to be fine with that development, as evidenced by his willingness to play fullback in the team’s preseason opener because they were short on healthy bodies at the position. Mark Maske of the Washington Post reports that the plan is to use
ey in small doses this season to maximize his effectiveness without jeopardizing his health.
“I absolutely can be happy with any role on this team,”
ey said. “The Washington Redskins have played a huge part in my life. I daily feel like I want to do anything I can do for this team. I owe this organization a lot. The only thing I want to do is win. I want to win on this team. That’s the only thing I haven’t been able to do.”
We will likely find out if
ey is willing to put his money where his mouth is when it comes to doing whatever it takes to remain in Washington.
ey is set to make $3.8 million this season, which is quite a bit for a player who is going to be used in small doses. A pay cut seems like an inevitability if
ey is going to stay with the Redskins through the rest of 2012.
Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:29 am
by Red_One43
How Many Cornerbacks are you keeping?
This article is saying 6 slots, but he has only chosen Hall and Wilson so far.
Good luck on your 53! At this isn't easy this early and I gues it won't be any easier later on.
Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:55 am
by 1niksder
Red_One43 wrote:How Many Cornerbacks are you keeping?This article is saying 6 slots, but he has only chosen Hall and Wilson so far.
Good luck on your 53! At this isn't easy this early and I gues it won't be any easier later on.
I'm going with five corners and five safeties
DeAngelo Hall, Kevin Barnes, Josh Wilson, Richard Crawford, and Cedric Griffin at CB with Tenard Jackson, Brandon Meriweather, Madeiu Williams, DeJon Gomes, and Reed Doughty at safety
Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:52 pm
by Red_One43
Grant Paulsen@granthpaulsen
I could definitely see the #Redskins keeping 26 on offense, 24 on defense, and 3 specialists. Question is how do you form those numbers.
Final 53 Projections 2012
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:11 pm
by The Hogster
With initial cut downs approaching, here is my prediction for the Final 53 Man Roster.
Quarterbacks
Robert Griffin III
Kirk Cousins
Rex Grossman
No surprise here. But, I actually think the storyline is that Kirk may wind up being the #2 with Rex Grossman being the mentor/emergency QB.
Running Backs
Tim Hightower
Roy Helu
Evan Royster
Darrel Young
Wide Receiver
Pierre Garcon
Leonard Hankerson
Santana Moss
Joshua Morgan
Dezmon Briscoe
Aldrick Robinson
Tight End
Fred Davis
Niles Paul
Chris
ey
Logan Paulsen
I think this is
ey's last hurrah. There is a possibility that Paulsen is released, but I think he's a necessity given his blocking ability and our situation at Right Tackle.
Offensive Line
Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, Tyler Polumbus, Adam Gettis, Josh LeRibeus, Maurice Hurt, Tom Compton.
Jammal Brown to PUP List
Defensive Line
Adam Carriker, Barry Cofield, Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins, Chris Baker, Kedric Golston
Linebackers
London Fletcher, Perry Riley, Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, Lorenzo Alexander, Keenan Robinson, Rob Jackson.
Secondary
DeAngelo Hall, Josh Wilson, Cedric Griffin, Brandon Thompson, Richard Crawford, Tanard Jackson, Brandon Meriweather, Madieu Williams, DeJon Gomes, Reed Doughty
Special Teams
Neil Rackers, Sav Rocca, Nick Sundberg,
Brandon Banks
I list Banks as a specialist rather than a WR. Although he will probably get some snaps on certain plays like last year.
Practice Squad
Alfred Morris
Lance Lewis
Jordan Bernstine
Grant Garner
Martinez (OL)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:35 pm
by DarthMonk
Link ------>
This thread already exists.
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:40 pm
by The Hogster
Thanks
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:44 pm
by Bob 0119
No Morris? Do you think they practice squad him? Me personally, I think they keep him over Helu.
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:51 pm
by skinpride1
Think that we be close minus two or three places.
Im not so sure about Rackers at kicker.
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:55 pm
by skinpride1
The secondary is down right scary bad ....you got D.hall and merriweather and couple young talent on the up swing and the rest are junk. C. griffin at top of that list.
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:02 am
by Red_One43
^Great looking 53, only one surprise, you picked Rackers over Gano (Just Kidding
). I like the 4 TEs - I am trying to figure out how I am going to make that happen.
Couple of comments:
1. No Alfred Morris?
2. I wanted to point out that you have only one back up tackle on your roster, Hurt, and he hasn't played tackle in preseason games. With Brown on the PUP, if he gets healthy, he won't be able to help for at least 6 weeks in accordance with the rules of the PUP.
That almost forces you to have to keep 9 lineman insteadof 8, if you keep Hurt as a back up tackle.
3. You have 8 LB names listed and the number "7" next to linebacks.
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:53 am
by The Hogster
Bob 0119 wrote:No Morris? Do you think they practice squad him? Me personally, I think they keep him over Helu.
I think we try to put him to the Practice Squad. I think he's got a ways to go on pass protection. My guess is that he makes it to the practice squad, but stranger things have happened, like when Keiland Williams didn't clear.
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:02 am
by The Hogster
Red_One43 wrote:^Great looking 53, only one surprise, you picked Rackers over Gano (Just Kidding
). I like the 4 TEs - I am trying to figure out how I am going to make that happen.
Couple of comments:
1. No Alfred Morris?
2. I wanted to point out that you have only one back up tackle on your roster, Hurt, and he hasn't played tackle in preseason games. With Brown on the PUP, if he gets healthy, he won't be able to help for at least 6 weeks in accordance with the rules of the PUP.
That almost forces you to have to keep 9 lineman insteadof 8, if you keep Hurt as a back up tackle.
3. You have 8 LB names listed and the number "7" next to linebacks.
+1 Adjusted the numbers. Typing and drinking a beer.
I think Morris starts out on the PS much like Royster did. Problem is, he may not make it. I think he will. Or, Hightower could start out on PUP allowing him to make the roster.
As for backup Tackle, I have Compton making it there instead of Chris Wilson at OLB. I chose to do that because I think that we have guys at OLB and backup Tackle that we may be able to release, and still get back, like Willie Smith or James Lee. Jordan Black etc. In the event that we lost Polumbus in the first 6 games.
Since we are carrying 3 QBs, it makes for some tough decisions. But, I'm a big fan of Brandon Thompson, and Richard Crawford. I think those two guys are too valuable to release.
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:18 am
by 1niksder
DarthMonk wrote:Link ------>
This thread already exists.
Merged...
AND
Here's my
latest list:
Offensive Total … 26
Quarterbacks (3)
Robert Griffin III, Kirk Cousins, and Rex Grossman
Halfbacks (3)
Roy Helu Jr., Alfred Morris, and Evan Royster,
Fullbacks (1)
Darrel Young
Wide Receivers (7)
Pierre Garcon, Josh Morgan, Santana Moss, Leonard Hankerson, Brandon Banks,
Aldrick Robinson, and Dezmon Briscoe
Tight Ends (3)
Fred Davis, Niles Paul, and Chris
ey
Offensive Lineman (10)
Trent Williams, Willie Smith, Tyler Polumbus, Maurice Hurt , Will Montgomery, Kory Lichtensteiger, Chris Chester, Josh LeRibeus, Adam Gettis, and
Tom Compton to the PS
Defensive Total …. 24
Linebackers (8 )
London Fletcher, Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, Perry Riley, Rob Jackson,
Chris Wilson, Lorenzo Alexander, and Keenan Robinson
Markus White is dropped
Defensive Backs (10)
Josh Wilson, DeAngelo Hall,
Kevin Barnes, Madieu Williams, Kevin Barnes, Brandon Meriweather, Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes, Brandyn Thompson, and Richard Crawford....
Cedric Griffin was replaced by Kevin Barnes but it's a toss up right now
Defensive Lineman (6)
Barry Cofield, Stephen Bowen, Adam Carriker, Jarvis Jenkins, Chris Baker,
Kedrick Golston and
Chris Neild went on IR
Special Teams Total …. 3
Teams
Graham Gano, Sav Rocca, Nick Sundberg
Practice Squad Prediction
DJ Holt LB
Grant Garner C
Tom Compton OT
Lance Lewis WR
Tristan Davis RB
Jordan Bernstine S
Still two slots open
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:26 am
by 1niksder
The Hogster wrote:
I think Morris starts out on the PS much like Royster did. Problem is, he may not make it. I think he will. Or, Hightower could start out on PUP allowing him to make the roster.
I don't think Morris will last on the PS, and TH could land on the PUP or IR
The Hogster wrote:As for backup Tackle, I have Compton making it there instead of Chris Wilson at OLB. I chose to do that because I think that we have guys at OLB and backup Tackle that we may be able to release, and still get back, like Willie Smith or James Lee. Jordan Black etc. In the event that we lost Polumbus in the first 6 games.
I have Compton going to the PS for a spell and Chris Wilson making the active roster unless Kehl learns to hold onto the ball, and it's possibly that Will Smith gets cut (free up a spot for Paulsen as the 4th TE).
The Hogster wrote:Since we are carrying 3 QBs, it makes for some tough decisions. But, I'm a big fan of Brandon Thompson, and Richard Crawford. I think those two guys are too valuable to release.
Crawford has outplayed Griffin thus far in practice and in the pre-season, and I believe, Thompson will also make the roster before Griffin or Barnes. Would love to say Rex's performance with the Bears got him run out of Chi Town and Cousins performance in Chi Town last week will get Rex run out of Washington, but I don't think it will happen.
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:23 am
by Red_One43
The Hogster wrote:Red_One43 wrote:^Great looking 53, only one surprise, you picked Rackers over Gano (Just Kidding
). I like the 4 TEs - I am trying to figure out how I am going to make that happen.
Couple of comments:
1. No Alfred Morris?
2. I wanted to point out that you have only one back up tackle on your roster, Hurt, and he hasn't played tackle in preseason games. With Brown on the PUP, if he gets healthy, he won't be able to help for at least 6 weeks in accordance with the rules of the PUP.
That almost forces you to have to keep 9 lineman insteadof 8, if you keep Hurt as a back up tackle.
3. You have 8 LB names listed and the number "7" next to linebacks.
+1 Adjusted the numbers. Typing and drinking a beer.
I think Morris starts out on the PS much like Royster did. Problem is, he may not make it. I think he will. Or, Hightower could start out on PUP allowing him to make the roster.
As for backup Tackle, I have Compton making it there instead of Chris Wilson at OLB. I chose to do that because I think that we have guys at OLB and backup Tackle that we may be able to release, and still get back, like Willie Smith or James Lee. Jordan Black etc. In the event that we lost Polumbus in the first 6 games.
Since we are carrying 3 QBs, it makes for some tough decisions. But, I'm a big fan of Brandon Thompson, and Richard Crawford. I think those two guys are too valuable to release.
Morris is going to be a tough call. I went with him, because I think that he can be a major contributor early on. Shanny gave him first team reps, because he is looking at him. He can't start right away because of his his lack of blitz pick up. The optimum would be for the PS, because he might be a "system" back, he could make it to the PS. They better shut him down now - he is getting too much attention.
Your philosophy of being able to get guys back for the tackle position is why I went with two QBs. What is the chance of Grossman being picked up if he is released? He will be there if we need him. If we need to go to a third QB in a game, the probability is high that the game is lot, so I am going with two. PLUS - it sure makes it eases the pain of making the 53.
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:37 am
by The Hogster
Red_One43 wrote:The Hogster wrote:Red_One43 wrote:^Great looking 53, only one surprise, you picked Rackers over Gano (Just Kidding
). I like the 4 TEs - I am trying to figure out how I am going to make that happen.
Couple of comments:
1. No Alfred Morris?
2. I wanted to point out that you have only one back up tackle on your roster, Hurt, and he hasn't played tackle in preseason games. With Brown on the PUP, if he gets healthy, he won't be able to help for at least 6 weeks in accordance with the rules of the PUP.
That almost forces you to have to keep 9 lineman insteadof 8, if you keep Hurt as a back up tackle.
3. You have 8 LB names listed and the number "7" next to linebacks.
+1 Adjusted the numbers. Typing and drinking a beer.
I think Morris starts out on the PS much like Royster did. Problem is, he may not make it. I think he will. Or, Hightower could start out on PUP allowing him to make the roster.
As for backup Tackle, I have Compton making it there instead of Chris Wilson at OLB. I chose to do that because I think that we have guys at OLB and backup Tackle that we may be able to release, and still get back, like Willie Smith or James Lee. Jordan Black etc. In the event that we lost Polumbus in the first 6 games.
Since we are carrying 3 QBs, it makes for some tough decisions. But, I'm a big fan of Brandon Thompson, and Richard Crawford. I think those two guys are too valuable to release.
Morris is going to be a tough call. I went with him, because I think that he can be a major contributor early on. Shanny gave him first team reps, because he is looking at him. He can't start right away because of his his lack of blitz pick up. The optimum would be for the PS, because he might be a "system" back, he could make it to the PS. They better shut him down now - he is getting too much attention.
Your philosophy of being able to get guys back for the tackle position is why I went with two QBs. What is the chance of Grossman being picked up if he is released? He will be there if we need him. If we need to go to a third QB in a game, the probability is high that the game is lot, so I am going with two. PLUS - it sure makes it eases the pain of making the 53.
I think the value of Rex Grossman is on the sidelines, looking at photos of the prior series, listening to the play calls, and communicating with the QBs on the sidelines. His knowledge of the offense, and experience against different looks gives him some value when the defense is on the field. We just need to keep him off of the field!! Which is why I'd put Kirk at #2.
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:28 am
by riggofan
Good list. I'm not sure about Niles Paul myself. Right now I think I would have Paulsen making the team with Paul the odd man out.
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:52 pm
by DarthMonk
Red_One43 wrote:What is the chance of Grossman being picked up if he is released?
My answer is "almost zero." This happens a lot, Red. I think of a question but you ask it first.
I say waive Rex, watch him clear, claim him, and then do whateva with the guy you really want to keep without risking exposing him to the waiver wire (Morris).
I suppose Rex could retire and we could hire him as a coach if someone claims him.
DarthMonk