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Eli Manning seems to do OK with as wiry a frame as RGIII. Drew Brees is alright too, despite being shorter and lighter. Ask Steve Young if being 6-2, 215 lbs with a tendency to run was a career breaker.

Because RGIII is black and fast, people have over-relied on comparisons with Michael Vick. Understandable, but mistaken.

Irn-Bru wrote:
Because RGIII is black and fast, people have over-relied on comparisons with Michael Vick. Understandable, but mistaken.

noo. if someone were to ask me who is the thinnest qb you can think of playing nowadays, I say Michael Vick.

now, are there other guys? I'm sure. but to me, Vick is the guy that comes to mind right away.

looking at griffin, hes one of the thinnest (top rated) qbs I've seen enter into the NFL in a long time.

yeah, he's thin and he's fast. I'm sorry that those are two attributes that describe Vick as well. Eli manning isn't fast. either is drew brees. their body types aren't the tight, super athletic track star types of Vick or rg3 either. if you want to bring race into it, that's your problem.

he's being compared to Michael Vick for obvious physical reasons.

Yes, there are differences between many quarterbacks.

What's your question?

the poster wrote:I can't critique his game yet, he hasn't played in the NFL. I will be interested to see:

1. can he cycle through multiple reads and see the whole field (like Luck can)
2. can he fit the ball in small windows.
3. how quickly does he read the action.
4. can he get comfortable under center running an NFL style offense, not the quirky and wild college-ruled style.


what I can say is that he is TINY. recent pictures of him would worry me a great deal if I were a redskins fan. he's even said that if it were last years draft he would be taken as a WR. he looks like a thin wr. he does not currently have the body of an NFL qb.

he's not built like an Andrew luck or a cam newton. the most obvious comparison at this time of his body type and his game is Michael Vick. and at no point in time would I have ever used 3 first round picks and a high second rounder on Vick.

You can't critique RGIII because he hasn't played a NFL down yet, but you can state what Luck can do before he plays a NFL down?

And regardless of what you would have given up for TINY Mr. Vick... TWO different teams gave him a $100M contract ....That"s BIG.

Stop drinking the Haterade.....

Are we feeding a troll?

Gonna stuff him like a pig....
Then fire up the grill....

Silly 1. Who would want a bite of that BBQ?

Flippant answer: RGIII could certainly improve his backhand crosscourt, and a little practice with the sand iron would be sensible.

The guy has more raw talent and upside than any quarterback the Redskins have had since, erm, well, err, anybody? Right now, the biggest area that needs improving is the team around him.

We are getting there, but until we have an o line that concedes less than 20 sacks per year, a couple of 1000 yard receivers, and a running game that yields 4.5 yards per carry consistently over the course of a season, then we won't see the best of RGIII.

Actually, until those pieces are in place, we may see all the very best of his running ability, improvisation and all round athleticism. I'm looking forward to the days when he doesn't have to run for his life, but simply to buy a little time. Damn, I just want to look back in three years time and think: jeez, this guy consistently throws for 300 yards in a game, with no interceptions, makes key third down plays, doesn't fumble, and leads the team to victory any time we're within 7 points going into the fourth quarter.

That seems like a lot to ask because we just haven't had a guy like that since Joey T (or Mark Rypien for a short time). But if RGIII simply reaches 75% of his potential, that's the kind of QB that we've got now.

I'm a bit excited.

BBQ makes everything taste better!

There ARE things that BBQ can't fix...

Irn-Bru wrote:Eli Manning seems to do OK with as wiry a frame as RGIII. Drew Brees is alright too, despite being shorter and lighter. Ask Steve Young if being 6-2, 215 lbs with a tendency to run was a career breaker.

Because RGIII is black and fast, people have over-relied on comparisons with Michael Vick. Understandable, but mistaken.

Speaking of the wiry frame of Eli Manning, I saw him on SNL last night in that sketch mocking the football video game shoots. I was surprised how wiry Eli's body is and especially how small his arms are, but none of that stopped him from leading his team to two Super Bowls.

Like you Bru, I am not worried about the durability of RGIII. I do hope that he finds a way slide, even the big bodied Tim Tebow found that not sliding can be very hazardous to a QB's health.


Video of Manning in the motion capture suit:
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainmen ... es/256777/

You can't critique RGIII because he hasn't played a NFL down yet, but you can state what Luck can do before he plays a NFL down?

well he's done that at the college level. he's rutree multiple route tree, multiple option offense in college including calling those routes at the line of scrimmage (rare for a college kid) and proved at Stanford he can go to 3rd and 4 th receivers. true he'll have to prove it all over again at the NFL level but rg3 has not been asked to do that at the college. not his fault, actually, most qbs in college don't. it's just that's why Andrew luck is considered once a century type qb, because he was playing like he was a professional at Stanford.

And regardless of what you would have given up for TINY Mr. Vick... TWO different teams gave him a $100M contract ....That"s BiG.

that's a fail n your part. because neither of those teams used 3 first round picks and a high 2nd round pick on him. fact the eagles used nothin by way of draft picks.

if they had to, in order to acquire him, they would have LAUGHeD at you. they would not have invested one first round pick.

the dollars is a different thing, just because he's getting paid a bunch doesn't mean they think he's the greatest. I live 10 mines from Philly....I hear their fans, the sports guys, and even their front office, no one is in love with the qb Michael Vick there.

and back TO THE POiNT, rg3 is built similarly to Michael Vick and is going to be injury prone like vick...hell...hes proven that already in college.

when u have a guy like this, you get non contact stuff as well like pulled hamstrings. well see.

Red_One43 wrote:Like you Bru, I am not worried about the durability of RGIII. I do hope that he finds a way slide, even the big bodied Tim Tebow found that not sliding can be very hazardous to a QB's health./

I suspect that one of the very first lessons that RGIII will get from the Shanahans is a full session on sliding, running out of bounds, and taking a knee. First rule: survival and self preservation.

I've heard he needs to.improve his golf game.. he said he would rather be a full time qb vs part time golfer ok choke artist qb.
I guess he doesn't like chomo

So RGIII is a bigger Vick, or a slightly shorter yet bulkier Troy Aikman.

Now here comes the best comparison with regards to physical stature - Aaron Rodgers.

RGIII is 3/8 inch taller and 2 pounds lighter.

If RGIII is tiny so is AR.

[sarcasm] Guess I better worry about his physical stature. [/sarcasm]

Will he get hurt? What QB does not? Will it be because he's tiny? No, absurd.

Having said all that I'm sure he'll do more weight work and run less track than ever. He figures to play at around 230. That's probably what he needs to do more than anything else from a physical standpoint - lift. From a football standpoint I go with Trey - win more Superbowls.

DarthMonk

The more I hear, the more I am convinced that the future is very bright for this team... RGIII is capable of changing the position in a way that hasn't happened since the development of the West Coast offense.

So is beg Ben the only qb who isn't tiny?
Such a dumb argument the haters try.to use.

Qb isn't really a position that the refs will let take a lot of hard hits.. unless he runs in wich case he will slide, go ob, or through the endzone.

I kill that argument with : he isn't a punt / ko return specialist, those guys need to big and able to take a hit... Oh wait Brandon Banks is how big (small)?
Seems athleticism speed and being shifty, helps to not take big hits. Take that on top of knowing how to protect yourself and not put your body in a situation to get steam rolled, I think he will be able to avoid injury after injury like Vic.

Oh what rgiii is a pass first qb unlike Vic? Oh snap then what's the question again? Lol

cowboykillerzRED wrote:So is beg Ben the only qb who isn't tiny?

Since this guy retired?



Yeah, I guess.

DarthMonk

Where can RGIII improve?

he just needs to continue to grow (or improve) and learn the game as he has done since he took it up

this is the next and final step in the process of being a QB in the game of football

there has been no indication at all that he will not be able to be just as good at the game at the NFL level as he was up until now


most if not all RGIII detractors are hoping and praying that RGIII will not be as dominant in the NFL as he has shown in HS and college ball


there will be physical and mental challenges
the combination of the player's desire & the assistance of some really good coaching & strength training will assure that


exciting times ahead for the Redskins and their fans

and we only gave up what?

are you kidding me

He is already my favorite player. He says and does all the right things. He has all the talent and drive to become one of the best in the game. I think he will have just as much, if not more, of an impact that Newton had last year. Anything can happen, it's amazing how one player can motivate a fan base as much as he has already. The pressure is going to be insanely high, but this guy seems to embrace it all

Cam is Cam - hard to imagine he will not become a great QB also - he has all the talent and ability needed

RGIII is very fortunate in that he's coming into a really great situation with a lot more upside than Cam had

this franchise is on the rise and has many of the pieces in place

ESPECIALLY a HC like Mike and an owner that will support this FO and give them everything they need to get the job done

The Aaron Rodgers physical comparison is the most telling.

On a different note, I wish the media et al would stop with the Vick comparisons; they're different guys. It's disingenious at best, and exposes those who make this comparison.

Let's see:

RG3 is a passer first, and was a passer first in college. RG3 had more passing yards and TDs in his 2010 season than Vick had in his two seasons combined (and obviously, much more in his 2011 season). RG3 RG3 is also incredibly bright, and already had a college degree after 3 years. Vick isn't the smartest guy out there, and left VTech without a degree. Finally, RG3 has neither been charged nor plead guilty to a felony, which Vick cannot say of himself, either.

Just because he's black and fast doesn't mean he's Michael Vick.

DarthMonk wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:So is beg Ben the only qb who isn't tiny?

Since this guy retired?

Lol. The Battleship Lorenzen! Nice!

But PulpExposure, I think you are missing something: both RGIII and Vick are black and very fast.

So what if they play different styles in the QB position, had dissimilar college careers, have totally different family backgrounds, and don't share the same attitudes, moral character, work ethic, etc., whatsoever.

So what?

Black and fast. The similarities cannot be ignored!

^^^+1

And they're both RUNNING QBS!!!! They never succeed!!!!!!

Irn-Bru wrote:But PulpExposure, I think you are missing something: both RGIII and Vick are black and very fast.

So what if they play different styles in the QB position, had dissimilar college careers, have totally different family backgrounds, and don't share the same attitudes, moral character, work ethic, etc., whatsoever.

So what?

Black and fast. The similarities cannot be ignored!

not to mention the two skinniest QBs in the game....which low and behold, bringing it full circle, was the POINT of my comparison.

But thanks for playing the game of "the runaround". I'm highly skilled at detecting that from Redskin fans. It's what you do.

note: I would also consider Colt McCoy in that group of skinniest QBs. You see what happened when McCoy got hit by James Harrison last year? Yeah. We shall see how Mr. Redskin holds up in the NFL. We shall see.

(frauds out there try to get up in arms when someone compares him to another PHENOMONAL professional athlete, as if that's a bad thing. Perhaps self-loathing white people exist on this board, who knows, I cant explain it. Imagine if they only knew who I were, ha, I laugh at the ignorance! )

Again, for those that missed it, not only is he skinny and subject to injuries but as a GREAT ATHLETE THAT HE IS (and he's black) he's more succeptible to injuries that receivers (what he USED to be) and corners get: pulled hamstrings, calf strains. Eli Manning aint pullin' no hamstring. Rg3 is expected to be your Eli Manning. We'll see if he can stand 16 games a year. He already showed he cant always last a full college season.