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Countertrey wrote:Yup... see you've allowed the hype to color your reality. The FACT is, the Denver defense kept the games in control last year... but, whether you like it or not, Tebow got scores that Campbell would NOT have. You can call it hype. I'll call it "it". With Campbell as their quarterback last year, they go nowhere. With Tebow, they got to the postseason, despite his lack of quarterback skills.

Countertrey wrote:Finally, I have NO idea where you get the impression that I think Tebow is a quarterback... more coloring resulting from your preconceptions, I imagine. You don't have to be a quarterback to have it. (see London Fletcher).

rick301 wrote:RG III seems to be a solid, well rounded and humble kid - one who know his priorities. Good article here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/heres-where-robert-griffin-iii-keeps-his-heisman-trophy/2012/04/02/gIQALzXqqS_blog.html

I hope we get him!

emoses14 wrote:In case not posted elsewhere, the RG3 Gruden QB camp "interview" airs tonight @ 9 on ESPN.

emoses14 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Yup... see you've allowed the hype to color your reality. The FACT is, the Denver defense kept the games in control last year... but, whether you like it or not, Tebow got scores that Campbell would NOT have. You can call it hype. I'll call it "it". With Campbell as their quarterback last year, they go nowhere. With Tebow, they got to the postseason, despite his lack of quarterback skills.

Your fact is correct. Your assertion that tebow got sores campbell would not have, is quite literally an impossible comment to support or prove wrong. To do so you'd need to LITERALLY put each in the other's situations and then run game condition tests to figure it out, and even then it might not actually be dispositive. So, congrats? This "IT" you attribute to Tebow currently has him doing the same thing Campbell is doing. Backing up another guy who it would seem has enough more of IT then either of them do.

emoses14 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Finally, I have NO idea where you get the impression that I think Tebow is a quarterback... more coloring resulting from your preconceptions, I imagine. You don't have to be a quarterback to have it. (see London Fletcher).

Expansion of a point. Wasn't attributing the Tebow is a QB to you, but to the the hype that has clearly ensared you with regard to him. (P.S. That's me attributing the over Tebow flavored kool aid drinking to you). If you don't think he's a quarterback, great, we agree. I've no preconceptions about Tebow or you, all I have is observation of him and reading what you write.

We agree you don't have to be a qb to have it, we disagree as to whether Tebow does.

Countertrey wrote:Of course, you are right. I have no "proof" All I have to base it on is the history of 4th quarter performance under pressure of both quarterbacks. Tebow pulls scores from his butt. Campbell... not so much. I'll remind you that this inability to master the 4th quarter was the primary reason I jumped off the Campbell bandwagon... ).

Countertrey wrote: Got it. I'm really not on a bandwagon. I doubt Tebow ever becomes more than a guy that is really good with the ball under pressure. But... as much as you refuse to admit it... he's really good with the ball under pressure (that's pretty much a definition of "It", btw... ).

Countertrey wrote:Yup. But, I sure wouldn't mind a fullback named Tebow...

emoses14 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Yup. But, I sure wouldn't mind a fullback named Tebow...

OK, where’s my popcorn?

As the Colts prepare to put Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck through a private workout, the other potential first overall pick in the draft has declined an invitation to do the same thing.

Colts owner Jim Irsay says via Twitter that Robert Griffin III has declined an invitation to do the same.

Irsay blames the decision on Griffin’s agent, Ben Dogra.

More to come.

emoses14 wrote:I've come across a couple reports (I think one was from Rich Tandler's blog) saying that Griffin made the decision not to do ANY private workouts to force teams to come to his pro day in order to provide a showcase for all of his former teammates to get a look from as many scouts as possible.

Also, given that his Pro Day went so well for him, not sure why he'd want to do any private work outs beyond that.

Mark Kaboly of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reports that Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians wants the team to sign Byron Leftwich as a backup quarterback/tutor for Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III. Leftwich spent three years playing for Arians with the Steelers, who have expressed interest in keeping Leftwich around as Ben Roethlisberger’s backup.

Red_One43 wrote:I believe that the only way the Colts would take RGIII is if they were developing an offense specifically for him, but with the report that Arians, the OC for the Colts, wants Leftwich for a back up, that pretty much concludes that there will be no new, special designed, offense for the Colts. Not saying that RGIII could not be a star in the offense, but we are talking about Irsay having to change his mind on Luck for RGIII. Why would that make sense for Arian's offense? Luck is a perfect fit for Arian O.

RGIII 2 DC!

Mark Kaboly of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reports that Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians wants the team to sign Byron Leftwich as a backup quarterback/tutor for Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III. Leftwich spent three years playing for Arians with the Steelers, who have expressed interest in keeping Leftwich around as Ben Roethlisberger’s backup.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -leftwich/

Why Detmer? Because he played in a pass-heavy (albeit more of a pro-style attack) at BYU and won the Heisman. Plus he played with Michael Vick in Atlanta. Add it up: More RG3. I'm guessing you're not disappointed (this is where I offer the disclaimer that anything can still happen and maybe, in a grand upset, the Colts choose him). Anyway, back to the RG3 love-in.

Detmer compared him to Vick, whom he played with for two seasons.

“Mike wasn’t great at anticipating throws and reading the defenses where Robert threw for a ton of yards and he is more polished as a passer than Vick was coming out for sure," said Detmer, a high school coach in Texas who saw Griffin play several times. "He was making reads down the field and cutting it loose on time and in rhythm. As a passer he’s much further along than a guy like Vick was coming out of Tech.”

Detmer also echoed what others have said: Griffin's presence (and Andrew Luck for that matter) will help in the run game. He'll also face a more reserved rush than other quarterbacks. What about the transition to taking snaps from under center rather than shotgun? Not a big deal Detmer said.

Besides, he said, "It helps you make quicker reads."

At times Robert Griffin III seems to good to be true. He's talented; he's smart; he's a great worker; he's charismatic. The kid sounds, well, perfect.

"At times I would concur with you," said Terry Shea, a former NFL quarterbacks coach and college head coach who spent nine weeks training Griffin this offseason. "After you’ve been with somebody for a while you say I’ll see how he reacts when he’s around another element of people. Well, he’s the same guy. He’s so engaging and he embraces people like he does you can’t help but say I’ll follow this guy forever if you’re one of his teammates."

Shea knows what a quarterback must do to play in the NFL. Though he spent the bulk of his career coaching in college, starting in 1968 at Oregon, he worked for four different NFL teams as a quarterbacks coach from 2001-08. Now he gets them ready for the draft.

In the past three years Shea has tutored Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, Blaine Gabbert and Josh Freeman -- all first-round picks. So he has an idea of what works. And he says Griffin compares favorably to Bradford (in terms of accuracy) and Stafford (quick release/velocity).

But, in my Friday email report, Shea said there were two things that stood out to him about Griffin.

"No. 1 is the way he brings such an upbeat demeanor to every time he steps on the practice field. It’s infectious," Shea said. "And No. 2 is the fact that he’s such an explosive athlete he can do just about anything you ask him to do, whether it’s setting that back foot to throw or [throwing] on the run."

Shea also discussed Griffin's work ethic, concerns over his durability and what they worked on during their time together. Hint: he's a big fan.

And it seems Griffin knows where he'll be headed. Really, it's not much of a secret at this point.

"I think he’s really excited to be a Washington Redskin," Shea said. "I know Robert would look forward to being [first overall] and I know his goal when we first met was to be the No. 1 draft pick. If anyone deserves it he does. But in this case maybe it’s not meant to happen

tribeofjudah wrote:NOW...that's a Big Fan of RG3. Will there be more? You Bet...!!!



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