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skinsfan#33 wrote:Eli is not just a very good QB any more, that dude is elite. With 2 mins to go in a big game I would rather have him than his brother.

Can you pass that over here? Sounds like you're smoking the good stuff.

Deadskins wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:Eli is not just a very good QB any more, that dude is elite. With 2 mins to go in a big game I would rather have him than his brother.

Can you pass that over here? Sounds like you're smoking the good stuff.

From that post, I think it's probably all gone ....

but if there's any left, I'll take some of that too

Deadskins wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:Eli is not just a very good QB any more, that dude is elite. With 2 mins to go in a big game I would rather have him than his brother.

Can you pass that over here? Sounds like you're smoking the good stuff.

Hey disagree if you want I'm just going off of Eli's history in big games vice Peyton's. Peyton was know as a choker in big games in college, has a much worse playoff record than Eli and Eli won both of his SBs having to make plays down the stretch to win both!

Disagree all you want, I'm not the only one that disgrees with you history does too!

Now I'm not saying Eli would help a team as much as Peyton, I'm just saying when the bright lights are on in a big game he is the pick over Peyton and past performances back me up.

Hello....first post in the Hogs web site..... I have been a fan of the Skins since around '72, and have held season tic's for past three seasons, some of the worst this franchise has experienced.

Personally, I have had an ear to ear grin on my face since I heard the word yesterday that we have traded up in the draft. With Peyton Manning out of the discussion, we needed to do what it took to secure one of these two QB's in the draft, and I am happy that we did. Did we give up too much? Well, time will tell, but I DO appreciate our management being proactive rather than relying on the same QB's as last season (remember, the ones that we could win with) or worse yet, bringing in Kyle Orton or yet another average QB. Please child, my eyes cannot bear to watch us struggle to score 14 points each game.

We have not really had a "franchise" QB since Jurgensen.....IMHO anyhow. None of the QB's that won SB's for us I would consider franchise , with the possible exception of Theismann. Gibbs made a living out of taking good to very good QB's and winning with them. But times have changed, and all you have to do is look at the teams who get into the playoffs year after year. The majority have stud QB's, not merely good QB's and certainly not average QB's.

We had a chance to trade up to get a potential stud QB, and our management did just that. And, by the way, we also have a huge amount of cap room to make some significant signings in free agency to plug holes that we may not be able to fill via the draft. I am not upset that we have rolled the dice with this trade.....and if it does not work out, then I will be more critical about the scouting aspect of our team vice the actual proactive decision that was made to bring a top prospect QB into FEDEX.

Even though we have had two losing seasons since Shanahan came to town, I just get the feeling that things are slowly starting to turn around, and this year we may take that big leap from bottom dweller to a playoff run......at least still be in contention into November.

Sorry to babble on, but hopefully time will prove the naysayers wrong and this will end up being one of the jewels of the Shanahan/Allen regime.



rskin72

Welcome to the site my friend. Stay a while. I joined on the morning Sean Taylor died, and have been enjoying the company since. I too share you opinion. Love the move

rskin72 wrote:Hello....first post in the Hogs web site..... I have been a fan of the Skins since around '72, and have held season tic's for past three seasons, some of the worst this franchise has experienced.

Personally, I have had an ear to ear grin on my face since I heard the word yesterday that we have traded up in the draft. With Peyton Manning out of the discussion, we needed to do what it took to secure one of these two QB's in the draft, and I am happy that we did. Did we give up too much? Well, time will tell, but I DO appreciate our management being proactive rather than relying on the same QB's as last season (remember, the ones that we could win with) or worse yet, bringing in Kyle Orton or yet another average QB. Please child, my eyes cannot bear to watch us struggle to score 14 points each game.

We have not really had a "franchise" QB since Jurgensen.....IMHO anyhow. None of the QB's that won SB's for us I would consider franchise , with the possible exception of Theismann. Gibbs made a living out of taking good to very good QB's and winning with them. But times have changed, and all you have to do is look at the teams who get into the playoffs year after year. The majority have stud QB's, not merely good QB's and certainly not average QB's.

We had a chance to trade up to get a potential stud QB, and our management did just that. And, by the way, we also have a huge amount of cap room to make some significant signings in free agency to plug holes that we may not be able to fill via the draft. I am not upset that we have rolled the dice with this trade.....and if it does not work out, then I will be more critical about the scouting aspect of our team vice the actual proactive decision that was made to bring a top prospect QB into FEDEX.

Even though we have had two losing seasons since Shanahan came to town, I just get the feeling that things are slowly starting to turn around, and this year we may take that big leap from bottom dweller to a playoff run......at least still be in contention into November.

Sorry to babble on, but hopefully time will prove the naysayers wrong and this will end up being one of the jewels of the Shanahan/Allen regime.



rskin72

Obviously, you're an educated Redskin fan, as your remarks reveal a depth of team history, as well as good sound logic.

Welcome!

rskin72 wrote:Hello....first post in the Hogs web site..... I have been a fan of the Skins since around '72, and have held season tic's for past three seasons, some of the worst this franchise has experienced.

Personally, I have had an ear to ear grin on my face since I heard the word yesterday that we have traded up in the draft. With Peyton Manning out of the discussion, we needed to do what it took to secure one of these two QB's in the draft, and I am happy that we did. Did we give up too much? Well, time will tell, but I DO appreciate our management being proactive rather than relying on the same QB's as last season (remember, the ones that we could win with) or worse yet, bringing in Kyle Orton or yet another average QB. Please child, my eyes cannot bear to watch us struggle to score 14 points each game.

We have not really had a "franchise" QB since Jurgensen.....IMHO anyhow. None of the QB's that won SB's for us I would consider franchise , with the possible exception of Theismann. Gibbs made a living out of taking good to very good QB's and winning with them. But times have changed, and all you have to do is look at the teams who get into the playoffs year after year. The majority have stud QB's, not merely good QB's and certainly not average QB's.

We had a chance to trade up to get a potential stud QB, and our management did just that. And, by the way, we also have a huge amount of cap room to make some significant signings in free agency to plug holes that we may not be able to fill via the draft. I am not upset that we have rolled the dice with this trade.....and if it does not work out, then I will be more critical about the scouting aspect of our team vice the actual proactive decision that was made to bring a top prospect QB into FEDEX.

Even though we have had two losing seasons since Shanahan came to town, I just get the feeling that things are slowly starting to turn around, and this year we may take that big leap from bottom dweller to a playoff run......at least still be in contention into November.

Sorry to babble on, but hopefully time will prove the naysayers wrong and this will end up being one of the jewels of the Shanahan/Allen regime.



rskin72

Obviously, you're an educated Redskin fan, as your remarks reveal a depth of team history, as well as good sound logic.

Welcome!

Obviously, you're an educated Redskin fan, as your remarks reveal a depth of team history, as well as good sound logic.

Welcome![/quote]


Yeah, sound logic, he's right. You're not gonna fit in around here!!!

Thanks for the welcome....but all that my knowledge of Skins history means is that I am old enough to qualify for an AARP card........that and good insurance for when I hurl things at the TV and curse at the fate of my team over the past decade and a half of mediocrity (and worse).

For all the glee I felt over the weekend, the bubble was somewhat burst today from the salary cap fiasco......just hope we had a plan for that as well......

skinsfan#33 wrote:

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The way I look at it we gave up three 1st, two 2nds, two 3rds, a 4th, and a 5th for Shuler, JC, Brad Johnson, and McNabb. If we get 8-10 seasons out of RG3 at the level BJ played for us in 99 then our trade was a STEEL!

all you're doing buddy is illustrating the failed history of the recent redskin era, mostly under Snyder. save your breath, everyone knows they make terrible organizational decisions. they just added to their long history, that's all.

the poster wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

the poster wrote:

The way I look at it we gave up three 1st, two 2nds, two 3rds, a 4th, and a 5th for Shuler, JC, Brad Johnson, and McNabb. If we get 8-10 seasons out of RG3 at the level BJ played for us in 99 then our trade was a STEEL!

all you're doing buddy is illustrating the failed history of the recent redskin era, mostly under Snyder. save your breath, everyone knows they make terrible organizational decisions. they just added to their long history, that's all.

No.

Obviously you're a kid, the Walker trade was for more. But riddle me this batman. Discuss trades for franchise QB's because the rest don't compare. Who got a better deal? How often are franchise QB's traded? Only under unique circumstances, like the Rams having a QB they picked with the #1 overall last year. The Colts had Peyton Manning and wouldn't give up drafting a franchise QB.

dude, why would u even attempt to argue with me, not only do I know more than you, I know more than everyone here about the redskins and their history of failure in the Snyder era.

here let me embarrass you real quickly. you thought you were cool and smooth in your response. but nope you're just a typical redskins fan. I specifically said this trade was the most given up by one team in terms of draft pick value in order to secure a draft position.

herschel walker was a player, the Vikings traded for an existing NFL player. owned.

the poster wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

the poster wrote:

The way I look at it we gave up three 1st, two 2nds, two 3rds, a 4th, and a 5th for Shuler, JC, Brad Johnson, and McNabb. If we get 8-10 seasons out of RG3 at the level BJ played for us in 99 then our trade was a STEEL!

all you're doing buddy is illustrating the failed history of the recent redskin era, mostly under Snyder. save your breath, everyone knows they make terrible organizational decisions. they just added to their long history, that's all.

Actually, most of that was under Charley Casserly. The two first for desmond, the first for heath, the first, second, and third for BJ were all under Charley. I had it wrong, it was 4 first.

The point I was tring to make is we have spent first round picks in a much more foolish manner than w did this time. Desmond was a failed quest from the start; no WR is worth two first round picks. Heath had huge question marks. BJ was the best QB pay we had for decades, but unfortunately that was short lived.

Actually, most of that was under Charley Casserly. The two first for desmond, the first for heath, the first, second, and third for BJ were all under Charley. I had it wrong, it was 4 first.

so? are u struggling to make the point that they've been making stupid decisions long before Snyder got there? if that's what you want to argue, the dumb decisions in the 90s vs. the dumb decisions of the 2000s, you know what , you can do that on your own.

I'll just say they've made a boatload of draft and free agent mistakes in the past 10 years, more than any other team in the NFL , and thats the reason why no one outside of the cocoon on redskin fans thinks of the redskins as anything more than a perennial loser. if you don't like that stmt, I'm sorry but facts are facts. look at the scoreboard.



The point I was tring to make is we have spent first round picks in a much more foolish manner than w did this time. Desmond was a failed quest from the start; no WR is worth two first round picks. Heath had huge question marks. BJ was the best QB pay we had for decades, but unfortunately that was short lived.[/quote]

You can't even make a quote right turbo guy.. isn't it.past your bedtime? Smack forum is where we like to keep all troll and cowpuke fan interations if you'd like start a thread... I won't waste the time but surely will smack it up after a coldy if u start one.

the poster wrote:

Actually, most of that was under Charley Casserly. The two first for desmond, the first for heath, the first, second, and third for BJ were all under Charley. I had it wrong, it was 4 first.

so? are u struggling to make the point that they've been making stupid decisions long before Snyder got there? if that's what you want to argue, the dumb decisions in the 90s vs. the dumb decisions of the 2000s, you know what , you can do that on your own.

I'll just say they've made a boatload of draft and free agent mistakes in the past 10 years, more than any other team in the NFL , and thats the reason why no one outside of the cocoon on redskin fans thinks of the redskins as anything more than a perennial loser. if you don't like that stmt, I'm sorry but facts are facts. look at the scoreboard.



The point I was tring to make is we have spent first round picks in a much more foolish manner than w did this time. Desmond was a failed quest from the start; no WR is worth two first round picks. Heath had huge question marks. BJ was the best QB pay we had for decades, but unfortunately that was short lived.

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No.

Oh and one more thing:

Speaking of scoreboards, what is the cowboys' playoff record since their last superbowl in 1996 (for the 1995 season)? What's the Redskins' playoff record in that same time span?

here's a hint: same number of wins, better winning percentage for the skins.

"but the cowboys beat the skins more, and the skins are the laughing stock, I swear they are"

Right, cause no one laughs at the bumbling morons that play for Ttit.

Since the 90's there have been significant changes in both the NFL and with the Washington Redskins

The Redskins have basically had 3 different FO's managing the franchise and under very different scenarios

Snyder bought the franchise in 1999 and mis-managed it for 20 years - that is obvious to everybody

The ONLY way that Mike Shanahan agreed to come to the Redskins and be both HC and help Bruce Allen manage the franchise was if Dan Snyder agreed to turn over ALL the player and team related control to this FO

The Redskins roster of 2009 has been completely changed and while the records of 6-10 and 5-11 are what they are, the Redskins are in a lot better shape than the record would indicate

The Redskins have a number of players that they can continue to build around - this is a VERY different franchise

even before the Redskins added RG3 - there are many that think they could & should contend for a playoff spot in 2012


The imposter is obviously so bothered by the current FO of the Redskins that she needs to make out like the Redskins are still "the same old Redskins"

what a great move this trade with the Rams is going to be

the Redskins are going to surprise a lot of fans in the NFL this season

finally....someone who can offer a cogent, legimate argument to the defense of the team he roots for, which I actually respect, a long running, historical franchise that I would prefer be in the playoffs vs the new orleans saints of the world.

SkinsJock wrote:Since the 90's there have been significant changes in both the NFL and with the Washington Redskins

The Redskins have basically had 3 different FO's managing the franchise and under very different scenarios

Snyder bought the franchise in 1999 and mis-managed it for 20 years - that is obvious to everybody

agreed. snyder not 20 years plus yet, but i got it..

The ONLY way that Mike Shanahan agreed to come to the Redskins and be both HC and help Bruce Allen manage the franchise was if Dan Snyder agreed to turn over ALL the player and team related control to this FO

The Redskins roster of 2009 has been completely changed and while the records of 6-10 and 5-11 are what they are, the Redskins are in a lot better shape than the record would indicate

ok. fair enough point. and i would agree on some point to it, but unfortunately for the argument (and even I would agree it sucks for the timing of it)...but the past 24 hours have changed things.

They cleaned out some old contracts, got rid of some players and went from being one of the oldest teams to (I think) one of the younger ones. so...that's what you want to do when you're rebuilding.

of course, a big component to transitioning to a younger roster is to acquire large cap space in the future so that a new coach like you point out can shape the roster with the guys he wants.

but now.....theyve had that cap space stripped from them. none of us know the gritty details to argue if its valid or not, all that matters for this argument is that it is indeed taken away from them.

even before the Redskins added RG3 - there are many that think they could & should contend for a playoff spot in 2012

I dont think so. Every fan base has a general opinion of another fan base, right? For example, I live 10 minutes from Eagles stadium, I happen to hate the Eagles. And what is the reputation of thier fanbase? Aholes, degenerates.

What's the general opinion of Raiders fans, for example? Same thing. Not really hard core football fans, too.

You know what other people say about Redskin fans? Let me let you in on it. Redskin fans general characteristics as observed by outsiders is that they frequently overrate the talent on their team.

One can probably say that about every teams' fans. But in Washington it really stands out.

The players that you think are really good....I probably think are mediocre at best.

And your team REALLY needs to start winning games already to start backing you guys up on this stuff. I can find the same posts every past offseason.

The imposter is obviously so bothered by the current FO of the Redskins that she needs to make out like the Redskins are still "the same old Redskins"


the Redskins are going to surprise a lot of fans in the NFL this season

My personal opinion is that your team is one of the 10 worst teams in the NFL that now has no cap space and no high draft picks. I'm sorry, I dont see it.

But....I will concede thist: this much more roster building to come. I'll make an official pick during preseason.

By the way, in August 2010 I picked washington to go 7-9. They finished 5-11.
In August 09 I picked washington to go 6-10. They went 6-10.

emoses14 wrote:

the poster wrote:

No.

wow. compelling.

Oh and one more thing:

you haven't gotten to the first thing yet.

Speaking of scoreboards, what is the cowboys' playoff record

pfft...I dont know and I dont care. Im not a fan of any team you might think I am. In fact, I would say that the last team you could think of is who I have a rooting interest for.

and btw your argument skills are the worst amongst everyone here. your fellow skins fans should do that talking for you.

the poster wrote:

emoses14 wrote:

the poster wrote:

No.

wow. compelling.

Oh and one more thing:

you haven't gotten to the first thing yet.

Speaking of scoreboards, what is the cowboys' playoff record

pfft...I dont know and I dont care. Im not a fan of any team you might think I am. In fact, I would say that the last team you could think of is who I have a rooting interest for.

and btw your argument skills are the worst amongst everyone here. your fellow skins fans should do that talking for you.

Funny, don't recall trying to make any arguments.

Just committing myself to commenting to your drivel everytime you spew it.

Feel free to step up to the plate and tell us who your team is. Easy to argue as Switzerland.

Sorry was out of the country and just learning of what we gave up. I have only one reaction:



Sorry, but 3 firsts is ridiculous.

markshark84 wrote:Sorry was out of the country and just learning of what we gave up. I have only one reaction:



Sorry, but 3 firsts is ridiculous.

Really? You're not the least bit excited to see what this kid turns out to be?

StorminMormon86 wrote:

markshark84 wrote:Sorry was out of the country and just learning of what we gave up. I have only one reaction:



Sorry, but 3 firsts is ridiculous.

Really? You're not the least bit excited to see what this kid turns out to be?

Yes, I am --- BUT it is HUGE risk and if he flops, we are upeek not having a first round pick until 2015. There is no parachute on this one. Sorry, but this isn't Andrew Luck. The franchise just gave up a TON TON TON of future talent on a risk.

If RGIII doesn't pan out -- the possibility of giving up 3 top 10 picks is high.

markshark, please check your PMs.

We gave up next years and the year after.. that's two. Top ten? That is less likely then 32 overall.
Point being we didn't give up a whole lot, we still have a first this year and its for a franchise qb.. to me that's priceless and I would have spent more. The second this year is a drag but w all the picks we got last year and having still a total of 7 THIS year... We didn't give up what some like to think.
I get being nervous but watch rgiii read his interviews then ask yourself who you'd rather have that was available?