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SkinsJock wrote:How 'bout this scenario - the Browns find a way to bring in Matt Flynn

we go out and bring in a decent FA QB .... OR maybe even Peyton

everyone knows the Browns don't really want to give up too much to the Rams

so we get RGIII as well

Outside of Flynn and Manning, who else do you consider a "decent" FA qb?

DarthMonk wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I'm STIFF FOR GRIFF

I'll be very forgivin' if we go sniffin' for Griffin.

I have no misgivin' for trading up for Griffin.

And iffin' we play the Cowgirls on Thanksgivin' I'd much rather do so with Griffin.

Let's hope all our competition is whiffin' when they offer up picks for Griffin.

If you haven't noticed I'm smitten and startin' to stiffen.


If I thought it would help I'd hire Lane Kiffin.

DarthMonk

You're a poet and I didn't even know it.

*sh$t*, now I'm doing it!!!

CanesSkins26 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:How 'bout this scenario - the Browns find a way to bring in Matt Flynn

we go out and bring in a decent FA QB .... OR maybe even Peyton

everyone knows the Browns don't really want to give up too much to the Rams

so we get RGIII as well

Outside of Flynn and Manning, who else do you consider a "decent" FA qb?

Drew Brees is ok

CanesSkins26 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:How 'bout this scenario - the Browns find a way to bring in Matt Flynn

we go out and bring in a decent FA QB .... OR maybe even Peyton

everyone knows the Browns don't really want to give up too much to the Rams

so we get RGIII as well

Outside of Flynn and Manning, who else do you consider a "decent" FA qb?

Ooh. Ooh! I know the answer! Sexy Rexy!!!

Well, we could do worse than Rex Grossman.

No, actually, I don't think we could, now that I think about it...

jmooney wrote:If this report is accurate, thats pretty high for an opening bid. I'd love to have the guy but, this is the limit on what I would spend.

We're still more than a QB away, and giving away these pick severely reduces the likelyhood that we will aquire another "game-changing" starter for the next 2 years.

Just what I wanted to say. RGIII looks great, but giving up 2 yrs of the draft to get one guy? I'm not in that bandwagon.

Quick stats: Redskins were 26th in pts scored, 21st in pts allowed, 25th in rushing yds and 18th in rushing yds allowed. Both the offense AND the defense need help and giving up an entire draft this yr and the 1st rounder and maybe some more picks next year may be too much.

HaiL,

gushogs wrote:

jmooney wrote:If this report is accurate, thats pretty high for an opening bid. I'd love to have the guy but, this is the limit on what I would spend.

We're still more than a QB away, and giving away these pick severely reduces the likelyhood that we will aquire another "game-changing" starter for the next 2 years.

Just what I wanted to say. RGIII looks great, but giving up 2 yrs of the draft to get one guy? I'm not in that bandwagon.

Quick stats: Redskins were 26th in pts scored, 21st in pts allowed, 25th in rushing yds and 18th in rushing yds allowed. Both the offense AND the defense need help and giving up an entire draft this yr and the 1st rounder and maybe some more picks next year may be too much.

HaiL,

Hey guys - where's the "entire draft" stuff coming from? Don't we have a pick in every round with 2 in the 4th?

DarthMonk

There will be a free agent QB here

no matter who he will be better than Grossman or Beck


I really like what Mike Shanahan is doing with this franchise as a part of the FO and as the HC

can you imagine if we really had sucked - we might have ended up with Andrew Luck
Because of Mike we could end up with Robert Griffin III - a QB that suits our franchise even better

Here is the compensation they're looking for...
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/740 ... riffin-iii

I think a swap of 1st's
A 3rd
A 4th (which we have two of)
And a 1st next year would be ideal.

Maybe even throw in the extra 6th that we have this year as well.

That would mean we would still have the following and RGIII. Really no loss of picks this year. A 1st next year.
1st
2nd
4th
5th
6th(maybe two)
7th

And here's the latest. Looks like they're trading the pick. I love the part where it says "Manning was selected by the Chargers with the No. 1 overall pick in 2004 and traded to the New York Giants for two first-round picks, a third-round pick and a fifth-round choice. With those picks, the Chargers ended up adding quarterback Philip Rivers, linebacker Shawne Merriman and kicker Nate Kaeding, all of whom have made multiple Pro Bowls.". The next sentence should have said...and the Giants ended up adding two super bowl trophies...

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=7622088

What could we get with those picks anyway? Who would we draft with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st that would improve THIS team more than a franchise QB would?

I don't think we have the luxury anymore of considering draft pick value. Multiple good players are usually better than one really good player, but not for us anymore. Our QB situation is that bad.

Hooligan wrote:What could we get with those picks anyway? Who would we draft with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st that would improve THIS team more than a franchise QB would?

I agree with your point, but you can make your argument stronger. We aren't giving up our 1st round pick this year; if we make the trade we are swapping it with St. Louis and using it to pick RGIII.

So the question isn't, "Who could we pick with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 2013 1st round picks?" It's just: "Who could we pick with our 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st …"

Irn-Bru wrote:

Hooligan wrote:What could we get with those picks anyway? Who would we draft with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st that would improve THIS team more than a franchise QB would?

I agree with your point, but you can make your argument stronger. We aren't giving up our 1st round pick this year; if we make the trade we are swapping it with St. Louis and using it to pick RGIII.

So the question isn't, "Who could we pick with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 2013 1st round picks?" It's just: "Who could we pick with our 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st …"

Let me ask this question. We're going to pay all that for an unproven player. There's rumors out there that Tim Hasselbeck may be on the trading block.

Washington could get a RT, WR, QB, and maybe more with those picks.

frankcal20 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

Hooligan wrote:What could we get with those picks anyway? Who would we draft with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st that would improve THIS team more than a franchise QB would?

I agree with your point, but you can make your argument stronger. We aren't giving up our 1st round pick this year; if we make the trade we are swapping it with St. Louis and using it to pick RGIII.

So the question isn't, "Who could we pick with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 2013 1st round picks?" It's just: "Who could we pick with our 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st …"

Let me ask this question. We're going to pay all that for an unproven player. There's rumors out there that Tim Hasselbeck may be on the trading block.

Washington could get a RT, WR, QB, and maybe more with those picks.

I think a franchise QB could do more for this team than a new RT, WR, and Tannehill/Hasselbeck. Heck, we had bookend tackles with Gibbs, plus ey and Moss in their prime and went on to set a record for least points scored in a playoff victory before getting knocked out. Good team, but bad QB play.

Hooligan wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

Hooligan wrote:What could we get with those picks anyway? Who would we draft with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st that would improve THIS team more than a franchise QB would?

I agree with your point, but you can make your argument stronger. We aren't giving up our 1st round pick this year; if we make the trade we are swapping it with St. Louis and using it to pick RGIII.

So the question isn't, "Who could we pick with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 2013 1st round picks?" It's just: "Who could we pick with our 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st …"

Let me ask this question. We're going to pay all that for an unproven player. There's rumors out there that Tim Hasselbeck may be on the trading block.

Washington could get a RT, WR, QB, and maybe more with those picks.

I think a franchise QB could do more for this team than a new RT, WR, and Tannehill/Hasselbeck. Heck, we had bookend tackles with Gibbs, plus ey and Moss in their prime and went on to set a record for least points scored in a playoff victory before getting knocked out. Good team, but bad QB play.

Who says that Tannehill won't turn into a franchise qb? The guy is most likely going to be a first round pick, he's not some scrub.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't trade up for Griffin (I think we should), but there is plenty we could do with those picks that we would trading away. For example, draft Blackmon in the first and use the 2nd rounder and other picks to trade up into the mid or late first to draft Tannehill.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Hooligan wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

Hooligan wrote:What could we get with those picks anyway? Who would we draft with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st that would improve THIS team more than a franchise QB would?

I agree with your point, but you can make your argument stronger. We aren't giving up our 1st round pick this year; if we make the trade we are swapping it with St. Louis and using it to pick RGIII.

So the question isn't, "Who could we pick with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 2013 1st round picks?" It's just: "Who could we pick with our 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st …"

Let me ask this question. We're going to pay all that for an unproven player. There's rumors out there that Tim Hasselbeck may be on the trading block.

Washington could get a RT, WR, QB, and maybe more with those picks.

I think a franchise QB could do more for this team than a new RT, WR, and Tannehill/Hasselbeck. Heck, we had bookend tackles with Gibbs, plus ey and Moss in their prime and went on to set a record for least points scored in a playoff victory before getting knocked out. Good team, but bad QB play.

Who says that Tannehill won't turn into a franchise qb? The guy is most likely going to be a first round pick, he's not some scrub.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't trade up for Griffin (I think we should), but there is plenty we could do with those picks that we would trading away. For example, draft Blackmon in the first and use the 2nd rounder and other picks to trade up into the mid or late first to draft Tannehill.

I wouldn't mind that scenario, but only if Luck and RG3 are off the board. We'd still be trading picks to move up for a QB. Our 2nd and 3rd for someone's late-round 1st? More?

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Hooligan wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

Hooligan wrote:What could we get with those picks anyway? Who would we draft with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st that would improve THIS team more than a franchise QB would?

I agree with your point, but you can make your argument stronger. We aren't giving up our 1st round pick this year; if we make the trade we are swapping it with St. Louis and using it to pick RGIII.

So the question isn't, "Who could we pick with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 2013 1st round picks?" It's just: "Who could we pick with our 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st …"

Let me ask this question. We're going to pay all that for an unproven player. There's rumors out there that Tim Hasselbeck may be on the trading block.

Washington could get a RT, WR, QB, and maybe more with those picks.

I think a franchise QB could do more for this team than a new RT, WR, and Tannehill/Hasselbeck. Heck, we had bookend tackles with Gibbs, plus ey and Moss in their prime and went on to set a record for least points scored in a playoff victory before getting knocked out. Good team, but bad QB play.

Who says that Tannehill won't turn into a franchise qb? The guy is most likely going to be a first round pick, he's not some scrub.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't trade up for Griffin (I think we should), but there is plenty we could do with those picks that we would trading away. For example, draft Blackmon in the first and use the 2nd rounder and other picks to trade up into the mid or late first to draft Tannehill.

It's still trading picks to move up and select a QB. If I'm using multiple picks to get a QB, I'd with RGIII over Tannehill. Blackmon at 6 and Tannehill at 39 would be ideal but Tannahill should be gone by then.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Hooligan wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

Hooligan wrote:What could we get with those picks anyway? Who would we draft with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st that would improve THIS team more than a franchise QB would?

I agree with your point, but you can make your argument stronger. We aren't giving up our 1st round pick this year; if we make the trade we are swapping it with St. Louis and using it to pick RGIII.

So the question isn't, "Who could we pick with our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 2013 1st round picks?" It's just: "Who could we pick with our 3rd, 4th, and next year's 1st …"

Let me ask this question. We're going to pay all that for an unproven player. There's rumors out there that Tim Hasselbeck may be on the trading block.

Washington could get a RT, WR, QB, and maybe more with those picks.

I think a franchise QB could do more for this team than a new RT, WR, and Tannehill/Hasselbeck. Heck, we had bookend tackles with Gibbs, plus ey and Moss in their prime and went on to set a record for least points scored in a playoff victory before getting knocked out. Good team, but bad QB play.

Who says that Tannehill won't turn into a franchise qb? The guy is most likely going to be a first round pick, he's not some scrub.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't trade up for Griffin (I think we should), but there is plenty we could do with those picks that we would trading away. For example, draft Blackmon in the first and use the 2nd rounder and other picks to trade up into the mid or late first to draft Tannehill.

No thanks. Who says Tannehill will? I think RGIII has bigger upside, and is head and shoulders ahead of Tannehill. I'm just not to pleased with what I see from tape.

Also, Tannehill will go somewhere mid 1st. So that means you'll have to swap our 2nd for the 15th pick (for example), plus the 3rd and both 4th to pick up what amounts to an average player with potential. So would you rather...

Trade up for griff so the draft looks like this
1st RGIII
2nd RT like Mike Adams or Cordy Glenn
4th C Philip Blake (no way he drops this far) or David Molk
5th
6th
7th
And pick up a OG and WR in free agency but lose a 1st next year

Or stay pat and look like this
1st Blackmon
1st Tannehill
5th
6th
6th
7th

Grab a OG and an OT in FA
answer to me is pretty obvious

Oh and just another teaser

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0 ... le=HP11_cp

No price is to high.
Nike takes over next year...
So..
Just DO IT!

CanesSkins26 wrote:Who says that Tannehill won't turn into a franchise qb? The guy is most likely going to be a first round pick, he's not some scrub.

Would he have been a first round pick if everyone else didn't go back to school for another year?

If not, then he truly isn't a first-round talent.

CLL - there was really only one guy - Barkeley - who returned for his Sr season. Everyone else was right in line as Tannehill. Next years draft class will be much deeper than this years. That's why I'm not opposed to waiting a year.

I think it's going to take a 1, 2 & 3 in this year's draft and a 1st in the next draft and that might not be enough

HOWEVER

I do believe that Fisher will give Mike the best offer from any other franchise and ask him to at least make our best offer as close to that as we can


We could certainly use the picks


I'm hoping we get RGIII
- not because I think he makes us instantly better, he will not
- because I think he'll be a really good QB in 3 years and for many years after that

Our # 1 PRIORITY is to have a QB - Robert Griffin III CAN BE OUR QB

I understand that there may be some good QBs coming out next year
HOWEVER - we will be building around RGIII for years to come

you deal with what you can, not with what you think might be


WE NEED RGIII and I believe that the Browns are the only franchise that can outbid us and they don't want to



I'M STIFF FOR GRIFF

frankcal20 wrote:CLL - there was really only one guy - Barkeley - who returned for his Sr season. Everyone else was right in line as Tannehill. Next years draft class will be much deeper than this years. That's why I'm not opposed to waiting a year.

The problem is that as several teams know it's hard to parlay a mid first rounder into a high first rounder. The key to making the deal work is having the #6 pick. If we're 12-18 next year, it's almost impossible.

frankcal20 wrote:CLL - there was really only one guy - Barkeley - who returned for his Sr season. Everyone else was right in line as Tannehill. Next years draft class will be much deeper than this years. That's why I'm not opposed to waiting a year.

Ok cool. I was just wondering. So he's not coming up as far as I assumed but he still may be taken a bit higher due to Barkley's absence... Is that fair?

You know what, this year was supposed to be "deep" too. And, we have no idea where we're gonna pick next year, we could possibly (maybe not likely) end up in the same situation next year... I don't think ur wrong or anything, but IMO they should get whomever they think is the right guy. And they need to do it now.

The team is built up to a point where whoever they play won't get destroyed on every play, and will have a weapon or two to use. The team won't be a detriment to that persons progression/maturity. So, thats why I think now is the time.

We also should remember that we now have a FO that WILL find a way to add players that will help this franchise

This FO will handle NOT having high draft picks a whole lot better than Dumb & Dumber did for years

Dumd & Dumber - "we don't need stupid draft picks"

while that is happening - we'll have RGIII