RGIII

[Countertrey]

Andrew Luck would cost far more, in terms of the ability to make additional positional improvements in the team, than RGIII. We ARE NOT in the Andrew Luck lottery. We very probably ARE in the mix to pursue RGIII... though I would certainly not bet the farm on that. We are just as likely to look to trade down for picks... or take BPA at wherever we draft...

[Red_One43]

Shanny wants Griffin, he fits the mold. A mobile QB just like Elway and Jake the Snake. This guy would be deadly in the redzone. More touch downs and less missed field goals by Gano. RGIII could put us on top of the east. Let's be honest, it's been a long time since we have had a fanchise QB. We need to pull the trigger on this draft pick and I'm sure Shanny will have his poker face on the whole time.

RGIII is also pigeon-toed like Elway.

[Red_One43]

Andrew Luck would cost far more, in terms of the ability to make additional positional improvements in the team, than RGIII. We ARE NOT in the Andrew Luck lottery. We very probably ARE in the mix to pursue RGIII... though I would certainly not bet the farm on that. We are just as likely to look to trade down for picks... or take BPA at wherever we draft...

Looks like Rich Tandler has been talking to CT

A day after Kyle said starting a quarterback with no experience in the Shanahans system next year was not a big deal (hello, RG3), Mike took it a step further by admitting the head start. The Redskins must be sure of who they pick.

http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... g-qbs.html

[GoSkins]

ESPN reports RG III will enter draft.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/ ... ources-say

[1niksder]

ESPN reports RG III will enter draft.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/ ... ources-say

YES

[1niksder]

Shanny wants Griffin, he fits the mold. A mobile QB just like Elway and Jake the Snake. This guy would be deadly in the redzone. More touch downs and less missed field goals by Gano. RGIII could put us on top of the east. Let's be honest, it's been a long time since we have had a fanchise QB. We need to pull the trigger on this draft pick and I'm sure Shanny will have his poker face on the whole time.

The East will be won by a 8-8 team, depending on the out come of the late games the Skins can go as I far as the 4th pick in the draft. OK the Bucs are getting blown-out so , maybe 5th if the Browns win.

The cost of RGIII wont be much with the Colts taking Luck off the board and keeping him. The Rams lose bargaining power by not having the top pick and needing play makers at #2. The Vikings look like they"ll keep Frazier and Webb is growing on him. A Browns win would put the Skins at #5 but a Browns lost would prevent the Browns from having to leap frog the Redskins to Get RGIII.

At worst the Redskins will only have to move up three spots to get RGIII. We can hope the Rams keep the #2 and go WR, and the Skins would only have to jump the Browns to get him. At best the Browns wins the Vikings lock in on a OL or RB and RGIII falls to the Skins

[PulpExposure]

The Vikes also picked Ponder in the first round last year. I'd be real surprised if they had any intention if going QB in the draft.

Cleveland worries me, as does Miami, who may want to move up to get a QB.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

RGIII! PA LEeeeeeeAZE!

[emoses14]

RGIII! PA LEeeeeeeAZE!

+1 pa leeeeeeeeaz(s)e

[absinthe1023]

We saw a different game.
Respectfully,

DarthMonk

Sounds like you need to preorder your RGIII Redskins jersey.

I don't have anything personal against RGIII, and if he's a 'Skin in April then I'll be behind him 100%. He's an electrifying college player, and he seems to be a great kid off the field as well. I didn't think his bowl game performance was terrible, but he was definitely overshadowed by the opposing QB (who was responsible for 7 total TDs compared to RGIII's 2), and the flaws in his game that will hamper him in the NFL were exposed. Washington had the 94th rated defense in D1 football; RGIII should have shredded them like videogame Mike Vick. He simply didn't. He played a decent game, not a great one.

I just don't feel that, skill-wise, he projects to the NFL anywhere near as well as Luck, who is an all-time prospect (no guarantees, of course). RGIII may be the second rated QB prospect in this draft, but the difference between he and Luck is marked in the eyes of every major talent evaluator.

The Redskins haven't had a true franchise QB in the modern era. They are noncompetitive, and have been so for the vast majority of the last 2 decades. More than ever, the NFL is a passing league. Passing and receiving stats that have stood for decades are being obliterated easily. Teams like the Patriots, Packers, and Lions are playoff-bound on the strength of their passing games; their obvious shortcomings on defense and in the running game notwithstanding. The NFL formula for success has definitely changed.

Is there any other statement that the Redskins can make that would be more powerful than obtaining, at any cost, the best rated prospect in 20 years at the most important position on the field? Why settle for second best at this point, when the difference between Luck and RGIII is so vast?

[brad7686]

Comparing the two is pretty moot because they will both be long gone by the time we pick unless we trade up. I'd be on the phone with the rams right now, they'll probly want a ton though since they probly want Kalil bad.

[DarthMonk]

Sounds like you need to preorder your RGIII Redskins jersey.

I confess to a bit of a man crush.

I didn't think his bowl game performance was terrible, but he was definitely overshadowed by the opposing QB

I prefer your use of DEFINITELY here as opposed to your use of COMPLETELY earlier. Of course, you can't fault RGIII for handing off when they were running the way they were. When asked to throw he was awesome.

Why settle for second best at this point, when the difference between Luck and RGIII is so vast?

I don't see it as so vast. In fact, when I saw RGIII's opposing QB play so well I got to thinking how there will probably we awesome QB prospects year after year. What I see as more vast is the difference in price. Heck, RGIII may end up as the better player though he may need more time to get there ... and even that is not a sure thing.

Nice and reasonable post, bro. Humorous too.

Thanks,

DarthMonk

[skinsfan#33]

Comparing the two is pretty moot because they will both be long gone by the time we pick unless we trade up. I'd be on the phone with the rams right now, they'll probly want a ton though since they probly want Kalil bad.

Actually, I have a fairly realistic way RG3 slips to us. Cleveland at #4 is the only one of the teams ahead of us that will likely select RG3. So that means we would have to move up to #3 to get him, unless....

Cleveland prefers Luck.

The Browns have their pick AND the Falcon's #1 so they have more ammunition than most and could decide to give Indy their king's ransom for Luck.

That would move Indy down to #4. We could move up to #4 or gamble that no one would move up to #5 to take RG3.

If we move up to 4 after Indy moved down to that spot, it world cost us much less and Indy would take a huge haul from the two top ten trades AND still have a top ten pick.

[Red_One43]

Comparing the two is pretty moot because they will both be long gone by the time we pick unless we trade up. I'd be on the phone with the rams right now, they'll probly want a ton though since they probly want Kalil bad.

Actually, I have a fairly realistic way RG3 slips to us. Cleveland at #4 is the only one of the teams ahead of us that will likely select RG3. So that means we would have to move up to #3 to get him, unless....

Cleveland prefers Luck.

The Browns have their pick AND the Falcon's #1 so they have more ammunition than most and could decide to give Indy their king's ransom for Luck.

That would move Indy down to #4. We could move up to #4 or gamble that no one would move up to #5 to take RG3.

If we move up to 4 after Indy moved down to that spot, it world cost us much less and Indy would take a huge haul from the two top ten trades AND still have a top ten pick.

If we are to get RGIII, I think we would have to move up to #2. I think the Rams will be advertising the pick. Someone else might jump on it.

[Burgundy&Wha?]

Give the Rams our 1st + Trent Williams and Chris ey.

[die cowboys die]

Comparing the two is pretty moot because they will both be long gone by the time we pick unless we trade up. I'd be on the phone with the rams right now, they'll probly want a ton though since they probly want Kalil bad.

Actually, I have a fairly realistic way RG3 slips to us. Cleveland at #4 is the only one of the teams ahead of us that will likely select RG3. So that means we would have to move up to #3 to get him, unless....

Cleveland prefers Luck.

The Browns have their pick AND the Falcon's #1 so they have more ammunition than most and could decide to give Indy their king's ransom for Luck.

That would move Indy down to #4. We could move up to #4 or gamble that no one would move up to #5 to take RG3.

If we move up to 4 after Indy moved down to that spot, it world cost us much less and Indy would take a huge haul from the two top ten trades AND still have a top ten pick.

very interesting scenario that actually sounds like it could work out gorgeously for all 3 teams

[CanesSkins26]

Give the Rams our 1st + Trent Williams and Chris ey.

No way the Rams make that deal.

[PulpExposure]

I don't have anything personal against RGIII, and if he's a 'Skin in April then I'll be behind him 100%. He's an electrifying college player, and he seems to be a great kid off the field as well. I didn't think his bowl game performance was terrible, but he was definitely overshadowed by the opposing QB (who was responsible for 7 total TDs compared to RGIII's 2), and the flaws in his game that will hamper him in the NFL were exposed. Washington had the 94th rated defense in D1 football; RGIII should have shredded them like videogame Mike Vick. He simply didn't. He played a decent game, not a great one.

Well, if you want to judge based on one game, I thought Luck got outplayed by Weedon tonight, and Luck even had a massively dominant running game to work with.

If it helps, I don't tend to judge based on one game precisely for that reason...

[Chris Luva Luva]

This is when it pays to have a competent and favored GM. We've dealt with the Rams twice since Bruce has come on board. While they don't owe us any favors, there is a relationship there and it'll do nothing but aid in the negotiations.

[chiefhog44]

This is when it pays to have a competent and favored GM. We've dealt with the Rams twice since Bruce has come on board. While they don't owe us any favors, there is a relationship there and it'll do nothing but aid in the negotiations.

The entire Rams front office and coaching staff was fired FYI. Any relationship is now over

[Chris Luva Luva]

This is when it pays to have a competent and favored GM. We've dealt with the Rams twice since Bruce has come on board. While they don't owe us any favors, there is a relationship there and it'll do nothing but aid in the negotiations.

The entire Rams front office and coaching staff was fired FYI. Any relationship is now over

Ah.... Well.... Nevermind. LOL

[absinthe1023]

I don't have anything personal against RGIII, and if he's a 'Skin in April then I'll be behind him 100%. He's an electrifying college player, and he seems to be a great kid off the field as well. I didn't think his bowl game performance was terrible, but he was definitely overshadowed by the opposing QB (who was responsible for 7 total TDs compared to RGIII's 2), and the flaws in his game that will hamper him in the NFL were exposed. Washington had the 94th rated defense in D1 football; RGIII should have shredded them like videogame Mike Vick. He simply didn't. He played a decent game, not a great one.

Well, if you want to judge based on one game, I thought Luck got outplayed by Weedon tonight, and Luck even had a massively dominant running game to work with.

If it helps, I don't tend to judge based on one game precisely for that reason...

I figured that a poster would come out of the weeds with that line of reasoning, which is completely understandable given the wording of my prior post. I spent some time breaking down what I thought of RGIII's performance, but my opinion of how his game will translate to the NFL (and thus his draftability) is based on his body of work. I meant to convey this with the phrase "the flaws in his game that will hamper him in the NFL were exposed". These are flaws that have been visible throughout his college career, and have been pointed out by other posters and also by trained professionals.

I disagree with your contention that Luck was outplayed by Weeden. Luck did have the benefit of an effective running game and well above average O Line play, but that's where it ends. OSU enjoyed great superiority at the WR/TE position; the Cowboys' third WR was better than any of Stanford's starters. Luck also lost his favorite target (TE Ersch) in the third quarter.

Stanford's defense was also pathetic, particularly in coverage. Blackmon is a beast and has great playmaking ability, but on all but one of his catches he either received the ball in stride for a long completion/TD or made the catch in space and had the opportunity to make a move after the catch. OSU played decent pass defense and except for the first Stanford TD exhibited decent coverage skills.

Luck didn't set the world on fire from a statistical standpoint (no surprise given the above issues), but he did call his own plays for at least part of the game, directed traffic and made detailed calls at the LOS, made every NFL throw (particularly that 18 yard out pattern to the sideline on the last drive in regulation), demonstrated Rodgers-like mobility, and was absolute money on third down. In short, he demonstrated the skills that have been on display throughout his career. It was easy to see why he's a QB prospect for the ages.

As for your last line, I think only fools and Vinny Cerrato would judge a player based on only one game.

[Chris Luva Luva]

and the flaws in his game that will hamper him in the NFL were exposed.

Heard the same thing about Cam....

[absinthe1023]

and the flaws in his game that will hamper him in the NFL were exposed.

Heard the same thing about Cam....[/quote

And we also heard that Ryan Leaf was going to be great, on and on, ad infinitum. Somewhere on the internet, there is a published opinion tailored to fit every line of reasoning.

Again, I don't have a vendetta against RGIII. He's a good kid. He has definite skills. For his own sake, I hope his dedication and hard work pay off and that he has a great NFL career.
I just think that Luck will be a much better NFL QB. I am not alone in that thought, and I am not aware of any credible source that has gone on record with a preference for RGIII over Luck. Of course, that doesn't mean that Luck is guaranteed success and that RGIII isn't. RGIII may turn out to be better, they both may be great, they both may be terrible. Nobody knows for sure what will happen. All you can do as an NFL talent front office is review the available research, form your own opinion, and then decide how much you are willing to pay to obtain an asset.

In many ways, it is quite similar to investing. It would be so much easier if we all knew beforehand which investments will increase in value and which will lose money, the world would be a much different place.

From my perspective as a Redskins fan, I know that EITHER player would be a huge upgrade for the team. I also know that it would require a costly move up the draft board to obtain either player. With these two pieces of information as givens, wouldn't you want your team to make the best possible investment given the knowledge available at the time of the transaction?

[StorminMormon86]

The whole Luck vs. RGIII debate is moot, IMO. Why? Because we are not a team in the "Luck Lottery" and won't even come close to drafting him (without costing us crucial draft picks). RGIII will be the (hopefully) best QB available come our pick. I'd love to have him on the roster, but I think Cleveland will be nabbing him unfortunately.