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skinpride1 wrote:Sure seems the zebras always find a way to screw us. Didn't show the replay call on moss but I'm fine with that if refs call it fair on all teams but they don't
CanesSkins26 wrote:What's frustrating about this game is our complete inability to play well in all facets at the same time. The offense, despite injuries and some dumb decisions by Rex, actually played very well. Yet with the offense playing well our defense literally threw up all over themselves.
Our secondary is god awful....Wilson has been rather disappointing, Hall is awful, Otogwe hasn't been anywhere near the play maker we expected.
And where is Orakpo? 1.5 sacks in the last 7 games. Other than the 2.5 sacks he had against the Rams he's been INVISIBLE this season and that's unacceptable for a player drafted in the top half of the first round in his 3rd season. He is literally getting worse as he goes along.
tribeofjudah wrote:haven't read all the posts but Who was standing around why Gronk was shedding tackles on the sideline....???
PAAAAHHHHLEEEZZZZ.....give me a break. Gang tackle, everyone to the ball carrier.
That guy should be demoted.
Burgundy&Wha? wrote:tribeofjudah wrote:haven't read all the posts but Who was standing around why Gronk was shedding tackles on the sideline....???
PAAAAHHHHLEEEZZZZ.....give me a break. Gang tackle, everyone to the ball carrier.
That guy should be demoted.
In all honesty, the play looked over at that point. With the way the refs throw flags for Unnecessary Roughness, I can't get too upset with DHall for not wanting to pile on. Seriously, look at Fletcher's penalty. it was complete BS, but the refs favor certain teams. Had DHall put a shoulder into Gronk -- or better yet had LL been on the field and laid him out -- would we have gotten a flag? Who knows?
Look at the Brady scramble AFTER the Fletcher penalty. The league wants to hamstring defenses. It's pure BS.
Redskins_Fanatic wrote:Yes, that WAS a terrible Patriots team they played yesterday. That team has ONE offensive weapon of any significance - #87 Gronkowski.
Irn-Bru wrote:StorminMormon86 wrote:The INT I can't blame on Rex, but I don't understand why he was even throwing to Moss in the first place...he was 5 yards away from the endzone.
It was 2 down territory. Moss probably would have fallen at about the 4 from where he had his hands on the ball. An incomplete attempt into the end zone and it's 4th and goal from the . . . wherever we were, I think the 9 or 10?But then again, we wouldn't have been pushed back if it weren't for Moss's stupid penalty in the endzone. EVERYONE stepped up on offense today. The defense, not so much. Can we fire DeAngelo Hall NOW?! He wears a big "C" on his jersey for a reason. He's supposed to be a leader, not a four year old immature thug. And why was he just standing there when Gomes and Doughty were struggling to tackle Gronkowski?
Agreed. Although I'm not so sure Moss's penalty was a stupid one. I didn't get to see a replay (thanks, CBS, for your awesome coverage of the game's pivotal moment!), but Moss was adamant after the game that there was nothing in it.
Obviously the player is going to see things from a more one-sided perspective, but until I can see the foul I'm going to give the Redskin the benefit of the doubt — especially on a penalty that is not called very often and is often highly questionable.
CanesSkins26 wrote:Burgundy&Wha? wrote:tribeofjudah wrote:haven't read all the posts but Who was standing around why Gronk was shedding tackles on the sideline....???
PAAAAHHHHLEEEZZZZ.....give me a break. Gang tackle, everyone to the ball carrier.
That guy should be demoted.
In all honesty, the play looked over at that point. With the way the refs throw flags for Unnecessary Roughness, I can't get too upset with DHall for not wanting to pile on. Seriously, look at Fletcher's penalty. it was complete BS, but the refs favor certain teams. Had DHall put a shoulder into Gronk -- or better yet had LL been on the field and laid him out -- would we have gotten a flag? Who knows?
Look at the Brady scramble AFTER the Fletcher penalty. The league wants to hamstring defenses. It's pure BS.
Shanahan doesn't agree. He called that play "disappointing" and said that Hall was "embarrassed".
mastdark81 wrote:Red_One43 wrote:mastdark81 wrote:Red_One43 wrote:I was at the game so I am just now looking at the highlights on NFL.com.
On the Gronkowski long run that led to their second TD. Gomes and Doughty clearly blew that tackle, but Hall just stood there and didn't help and then he turned his back while Gomes and Doughty struggled to bring him down.
Not sure that guys with that kind of effort in a game need to be on the roster next year. Is that that kind of play we want from our veterans?
I think everyone in the game and everyone watching thought the guy was going to be tackled out of bounds. Its easy to look in hindsight and think he should have piled on. In fact you can pick every play of the game and see someone not piling on each play...fluke play with poor tackling.
Hall throwing the flag is what is unacceptable.
You go until the whistle is blown. THAT is fundamental football. Teams that when Super Bowls do not have their captains turning their backs on a live play.
"Piling on" are your words. No one said, "pile on," but you. Hall should have at least got in position should Gronk have gotten loose to tackle him or have done one of his patented ball strips - and speaking of ball strips? You have the question why this playmaking ball stripper didn't have the DESIRE to go after the ball on this play. YOU play to win the game! In Hall's case, it wasn't even "poor tackling" It was lack of effort. "Fluke" play? - poor tackling does not consitute a "fluke" play. It is what it is - poor tackling and that is not playing to win the game.
My point is anger should be directed to the two players that CAN'T TACKLE one guy then a guy that just happen to be standing near them. Thats a fluke play you don't see that too often happening in the NFL, can't blame Hall on that. I'm sure if he wasn't inches near the out of bounds line he would have helped tackle.
Where's the blame on Kerrigan for letting slow Tom Brady slip through his grasp and complete a big play? Or Logan Paulson's false start? Riiiiiight.
So if he would have dived onto the guy guess what probably would have been called in this day and age of football "LATE HIT". Then yall would be complaining that Hall had no reason to hit a guy as he was going out of bounds. Attacks on Hall have been little bit too much lately when you have an entire team that struggles. I think it is PERSONAL.
He made some big plays as well in the game and I remember him coming up and supporting the run a few times pretty good. Now if he could do it again I'm sure he would have helped out. The guy is just frustrated with losing like he should be. I'd rather see someone like that than a player that don't give 2 ish.
Just say you mad we lost the game and continue to be a losing team and you don't like HALL...instead of nitpicking every lil error he makes.
Collectively we haven't played well this year.
“I can’t point a finger at anybody but myself. The way I’m playing right now, they need to go and cut me, because I’m definitely not worth what I’m getting. It’s frustrating,”
CanesSkins26 wrote:It would be one thing if this was a one-time thing for Hall, but it's not. I can't remember what game it was last year, but he had a chance to put a hit on a player about to go into the end zone and didn't do it. This is also the same guy that got owned by Jake Delhomme.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE7ZBTvrtIA
I don't think that he'll do it, but if I was Shanahan I would strip Hall of his captaincy and bench him for next week. Not only for that lack of effort, but for that idiotic penalty when he three the referee's flag. This guy is a captain and more often than not he acts like a jerk on the field.
It would also be one thing if he was effective, but he's not. He's never been a good cover corner, but in the past he at least made big plays that made up for his shoddy coverage skills, but this year he isn't even doing that.
tribeofjudah wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:Burgundy&Wha? wrote:tribeofjudah wrote:haven't read all the posts but Who was standing around why Gronk was shedding tackles on the sideline....???
PAAAAHHHHLEEEZZZZ.....give me a break. Gang tackle, everyone to the ball carrier.
That guy should be demoted.
In all honesty, the play looked over at that point. With the way the refs throw flags for Unnecessary Roughness, I can't get too upset with DHall for not wanting to pile on. Seriously, look at Fletcher's penalty. it was complete BS, but the refs favor certain teams. Had DHall put a shoulder into Gronk -- or better yet had LL been on the field and laid him out -- would we have gotten a flag? Who knows?
Look at the Brady scramble AFTER the Fletcher penalty. The league wants to hamstring defenses. It's pure BS.
Shanahan doesn't agree. He called that play "disappointing" and said that Hall was "embarrassed".
Yup...don't have to pile on and hurt the guy....just wrap his legs or feet up or push him OUT....for crying out loud.....!!!
Kilmer72 wrote:Irn-Bru wrote:StorminMormon86 wrote:The INT I can't blame on Rex, but I don't understand why he was even throwing to Moss in the first place...he was 5 yards away from the endzone.
It was 2 down territory. Moss probably would have fallen at about the 4 from where he had his hands on the ball. An incomplete attempt into the end zone and it's 4th and goal from the . . . wherever we were, I think the 9 or 10?But then again, we wouldn't have been pushed back if it weren't for Moss's stupid penalty in the endzone. EVERYONE stepped up on offense today. The defense, not so much. Can we fire DeAngelo Hall NOW?! He wears a big "C" on his jersey for a reason. He's supposed to be a leader, not a four year old immature thug. And why was he just standing there when Gomes and Doughty were struggling to tackle Gronkowski?
Agreed. Although I'm not so sure Moss's penalty was a stupid one. I didn't get to see a replay (thanks, CBS, for your awesome coverage of the game's pivotal moment!), but Moss was adamant after the game that there was nothing in it.
Obviously the player is going to see things from a more one-sided perspective, but until I can see the foul I'm going to give the Redskin the benefit of the doubt — especially on a penalty that is not called very often and is often highly questionable.
Here is the replay http://www.twitvid.com/73GEZ
Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski looked like a man playing against boys on Sunday against the Redskins, catching six passes for 160 yards and two touchdowns and brushing off tackles with ease. Redskins coach Mike Shanahan says no one in the locker room felt good about that.
In particular, Shanahan singled out Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall for standing there and watching while two of his teammates failed to bring Gronkowski down. Shanahan said today that Hall felt badly about that.
“I know he was embarrassed by it as was our whole football team,” Shanahan said, via Ryan O’Halloran of CSNWashington.com.
The Redskins should be embarrassed by that showing. On a day when they played a surprisingly competitive game with the Patriots, the secondary’s refusal to compete when Gronkowski had the ball may have been the difference between winning and losing.
Red_One43 wrote:Shanahan: Redskins “embarrassed” by failing to tackle GronkowskiPosted by Michael David Smith on December 12, 2011, 6:28 PM EST
Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski looked like a man playing against boys on Sunday against the Redskins, catching six passes for 160 yards and two touchdowns and brushing off tackles with ease. Redskins coach Mike Shanahan says no one in the locker room felt good about that.
In particular, Shanahan singled out Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall for standing there and watching while two of his teammates failed to bring Gronkowski down. Shanahan said today that Hall felt badly about that.
“I know he was embarrassed by it as was our whole football team,” Shanahan said, via Ryan O’Halloran of CSNWashington.com.
The Redskins should be embarrassed by that showing. On a day when they played a surprisingly competitive game with the Patriots, the secondary’s refusal to compete when Gronkowski had the ball may have been the difference between winning and losing.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ronkowski/
CanesSkins26 wrote:It would be one thing if this was a one-time thing for Hall, but it's not. I can't remember what game it was last year, but he had a chance to put a hit on a player about to go into the end zone and didn't do it. This is also the same guy that got owned by Jake Delhomme.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE7ZBTvrtIA
I don't think that he'll do it, but if I was Shanahan I would strip Hall of his captaincy and bench him for next week. Not only for that lack of effort, but for that idiotic penalty when he three the referee's flag. This guy is a captain and more often than not he acts like a jerk on the field.
It would also be one thing if he was effective, but he's not. He's never been a good cover corner, but in the past he at least made big plays that made up for his shoddy coverage skills, but this year he isn't even doing that.
welch wrote:Red_One43 wrote:Shanahan: Redskins “embarrassed” by failing to tackle GronkowskiPosted by Michael David Smith on December 12, 2011, 6:28 PM EST
Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski looked like a man playing against boys on Sunday against the Redskins, catching six passes for 160 yards and two touchdowns and brushing off tackles with ease. Redskins coach Mike Shanahan says no one in the locker room felt good about that.
In particular, Shanahan singled out Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall for standing there and watching while two of his teammates failed to bring Gronkowski down. Shanahan said today that Hall felt badly about that.
“I know he was embarrassed by it as was our whole football team,” Shanahan said, via Ryan O’Halloran of CSNWashington.com.
The Redskins should be embarrassed by that showing. On a day when they played a surprisingly competitive game with the Patriots, the secondary’s refusal to compete when Gronkowski had the ball may have been the difference between winning and losing.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ronkowski/
This is a pretty serious wack at Hall. "...as was our whole football team". That's rare for a coach.
StorminMormon86 wrote:Are you forgetting about Wes Welker or Hernandez?
SkinsJock wrote:ref, Mike Shanahan's press conference
ANYBODY that thinks that Mike's words or implications heard at his press conference are even close to the truth is NOT paying attention
there's an old question - "when do you know that Mike's lying about something?" - ONLY when he opens his mouth
Shanahan said the penalty would have been disappointing regardless of who committed it, but was especially disappointing because Hall is one of the team captains and is expected to set a good example. The coach said infractions like that test his patience.
“Especially when guys are in a leadership role, we understand that you have to keep your cool, regardless of if you like a call or don’t like a call,” Shanahan said. “That’s your job to handle yourself in a professional manner, and more importantly, not put your team in a hole by having a 15-yard penalty. That’s one of the things that I talked about to our football team. You make too many of those mistakes and you’re not with us.”
“Yeah, if I thought a person wasn’t a leader for one example or another, I wouldn’t revoke it. The players vote on the captain,” Shanahan said. “But I think people would lose confidence in the captain if he kept making bad choices and bad decisions. A captain is a player that you want to lead your football team and play at a very high level. That’s why he’s selected as a captain. Now, saying that, everybody makes mistakes. That’s part of the process. You’ve got to keep your cool, you’ve got to keep your poise. Just because somebody throws a flag doesn’t mean he’s a bad guy. It means you have to keep your poise and you can’t cost your team a 15-yard penalty. You’ve got to put your team first. … That’s the game, putting your team No. 1, you No. 2.”