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The way I see it, the Colts have a major predicament .... Peyton Manning IS the Indianapolis Colts, and is unlikely to play second fiddle or big brother to Luck. So if Peyton gets cleared to play, and is healthy, he's the best freaking QB playing and maybe the best that has ever played, and likely has 3 or more seasons left in his tank. No matter how super talented Luck may be, he will not be Peyton Manning right out of the blocks, and will not be playing in front of Manning. Likewise, Luck is unlikely to want to be a clipboard holder for the next 3+ years, watching Peyton play.

So, the Colts have to decide if Peyton's repaired neck represents an ongoing health risk of him being re-injured and out of the line up again, particularly at his age. If the answer is yes, they trade him and draft Luck. If the answer is no, and they feel he can return to form, and play for the next 3 or more years, they HAVE TO trade the pick, and get several picks in return that can reinforce the many holes that team has.

Luck could command 2-#1's and 2- #2s , and the Colts simply cannot afford to pass on that many high picks that could be 4 starters just to keep one player on the sideline holding a clipboard.

Either way, it's a huge gamble .... because no one can guarantee Peyton's health, nor is there any guarantee that Luck will fulfill the high expectations. If they let Manning go, he could go on to play at that Peyton Manning level for 3 or 4 years or more, and Luck could fall flat on his face. If they keep Peyton, and trade the pick, they're likely to add 4 high quality players over the next two drafts in exchange for that pick.

This scenario is very unique .... generally, teams with the #1 overall do not have a QB in Manning's league .... and only a few teams in the NFL are in a possition to pass on a QB like Luck ... 2/3rds would have to take him. The Colts don't have to, and the smart move may be not to.

How do you dump Peyton Manning? Only if you are convinced that his surgically repaired neck is too much at risk of re-injury. Otherwise, you have to keep him.

RayNAustin wrote:The way I see it, the Colts have a major predicament .... Peyton Manning IS the Indianapolis Colts, and is unlikely to play second fiddle or big brother to Luck. So if Peyton gets cleared to play, and is healthy, he's the best freaking QB playing and maybe the best that has ever played, and likely has 3 or more seasons left in his tank. No matter how super talented Luck may be, he will not be Peyton Manning right out of the blocks, and will not be playing in front of Manning. Likewise, Luck is unlikely to want to be a clipboard holder for the next 3+ years, watching Peyton play.

So, the Colts have to decide if Peyton's repaired neck represents an ongoing health risk of him being re-injured and out of the line up again, particularly at his age. If the answer is yes, they trade him and draft Luck. If the answer is no, and they feel he can return to form, and play for the next 3 or more years, they HAVE TO trade the pick, and get several picks in return that can reinforce the many holes that team has.

Luck could command 2-#1's and 2- #2s , and the Colts simply cannot afford to pass on that many high picks that could be 4 starters just to keep one player on the sideline holding a clipboard.

Either way, it's a huge gamble .... because no one can guarantee Peyton's health, nor is there any guarantee that Luck will fulfill the high expectations. If they let Manning go, he could go on to play at that Peyton Manning level for 3 or 4 years or more, and Luck could fall flat on his face. If they keep Peyton, and trade the pick, they're likely to add 4 high quality players over the next two drafts in exchange for that pick.

This scenario is very unique .... generally, teams with the #1 overall do not have a QB in Manning's league .... and only a few teams in the NFL are in a possition to pass on a QB like Luck ... 2/3rds would have to take him. The Colts don't have to, and the smart move may be not to.

How do you dump Peyton Manning? Only if you are convinced that his surgically repaired neck is too much at risk of re-injury. Otherwise, you have to keep him.

Totally agree

The Colts will have an interesting choice - there could be an offer that's too good to refuse

I'm glad that Snyder & Cerrato are not involved here - they might be THAT stupid - because that trade would be IDIOTIC

still don't see how we're getting Manning here - we're not giving up draft picks that's for sure

RayNAustin wrote:The way I see it, the Colts have a major predicament .... Peyton Manning IS the Indianapolis Colts, and is unlikely to play second fiddle or big brother to Luck. So if Peyton gets cleared to play, and is healthy, he's the best freaking QB playing and maybe the best that has ever played, and likely has 3 or more seasons left in his tank. No matter how super talented Luck may be, he will not be Peyton Manning right out of the blocks, and will not be playing in front of Manning. Likewise, Luck is unlikely to want to be a clipboard holder for the next 3+ years, watching Peyton play.

So, the Colts have to decide if Peyton's repaired neck represents an ongoing health risk of him being re-injured and out of the line up again, particularly at his age. If the answer is yes, they trade him and draft Luck. If the answer is no, and they feel he can return to form, and play for the next 3 or more years, they HAVE TO trade the pick, and get several picks in return that can reinforce the many holes that team has.

Luck could command 2-#1's and 2- #2s , and the Colts simply cannot afford to pass on that many high picks that could be 4 starters just to keep one player on the sideline holding a clipboard.

Either way, it's a huge gamble .... because no one can guarantee Peyton's health, nor is there any guarantee that Luck will fulfill the high expectations. If they let Manning go, he could go on to play at that Peyton Manning level for 3 or 4 years or more, and Luck could fall flat on his face. If they keep Peyton, and trade the pick, they're likely to add 4 high quality players over the next two drafts in exchange for that pick.

This scenario is very unique .... generally, teams with the #1 overall do not have a QB in Manning's league .... and only a few teams in the NFL are in a possition to pass on a QB like Luck ... 2/3rds would have to take him. The Colts don't have to, and the smart move may be not to.

How do you dump Peyton Manning? Only if you are convinced that his surgically repaired neck is too much at risk of re-injury. Otherwise, you have to keep him.

I absolutely agree... the Colts are in a very difficult predicament... but it's far more complicated than even your post suggests.
The Colts will not find a trading partner who will both give them the value that a Peyton Manning requires AND pay him the VERY SIGNIFICANT roster bonus that comes due in March... BEFORE the draft... probably BEFORE they have a solid read on his physical health as well. Beyond that, I see no way that this happens without Manning drastically revising his contract, in a way that minimizes the risk to a team in the event that he is unable to perform, due to his injury, and the likelihood that he will be reinjured.

I don't see Manning leaving the Colts... and I don't see them passing on Luck, unless someone blows them away with a trade offer (ala Ricky Williams).

No matter what happens... Peyton Manning will NOT be in a Redskins uni next fall.

praise the Lord - someone with a little intelligence has just weighed in


we are looking at an incredible talent at the most important position on a franchise ...... and .....


Peyton Manning is going to help the Colts

Peyton Manning is NOT coming to the Redskins

Manning will not be here next year, nor will Luck be the starting QB in Indy if Manning is healthy. I see a team like the Jaguars being more desperate than us in trading EVERYTHING for Luck. I hope so anyway.

Well... this is possible... the Jags have a shiny new owner, who may want to make a shiney new statement, and get himself a shiney new quarterback for his shiney new toy...

Countertrey wrote:Well... this is possible... the Jags have a shiny new owner, who may want to make a shiney new statement, and get himself a shiney new quarterback for his shiney new toy...

He'll also have a shiny new head coach, who'll want his own (possibly a shiny new) QB

The Colts will keep Manning and draft Luck. They will follow the same script Green Bay did with Favre and Rogers. Luck will sit for a year or two, then the Colts will part ways with Manning. At least, that's what they should do. Never underestimate the stupidity of an Irsay.

There are two other problems to our getting Manning.

#1: The Colts will know the extent of his injury and progress better then we will. The less recovered he is, the more likely they would be willing to trade him.

#2: We have a lot more holes then other teams who have a QB gap and they might be willing to pay more to get a guy like Peyton and take a shot at the SB then we should pay with the # of holes we still have.

It's hard to see that the Colts will trade him, he's healthy AND we can out bid other teams without creating more holes and giving up more draft picks to try to fill them then other teams would be willing to do. A team with a talented roster could be willing to give up enough draft picks to take the shot.

I just don't see Manning here with this FO and the current changes we are going through - not a good fit

I still think the Colts take Andrew Luck

we need to continue to add the type of players we have seen this FO try to bring in
and .... ESPECIALLY - younger players that suit what our OC and DC need to have

this franchise needs to continue with what they have been doing the past 2 years ..... AND NOT go back to the old ways

Might the Cowboys be "a quarterback away?" How about NYJ or DEN?

DarthMonk wrote:Might the Cowboys be "a quarterback away?" How about NYJ or DEN?

I could see the Jets taking a shot if he's on the market

The Jets, Dolphins, Broncos, and Jags are all teams who may look for a QB this offseason. Luckily, they're all lower in the draft than us...but if one of these teams snags a top FA (Flynn or possibly Manning) before we do, we're definitiely screwed. Because Luck will go to Indy and RGIII will go to Cleveland.

StorminMormon86 wrote:The Jets, Dolphins, Broncos, and Jags are all teams who may look for a QB this offseason. Luckily, they're all lower in the draft than us...but if one of these teams snags a top FA (Flynn or possibly Manning) before we do, we're definitiely screwed. Because Luck will go to Indy and RGIII will go to Cleveland.

Why do you say the Jets? Are they fed up with Sanchez?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:The Jets, Dolphins, Broncos, and Jags are all teams who may look for a QB this offseason. Luckily, they're all lower in the draft than us...but if one of these teams snags a top FA (Flynn or possibly Manning) before we do, we're definitiely screwed. Because Luck will go to Indy and RGIII will go to Cleveland.

Why do you say the Jets? Are they fed up with Sanchez?

I can't speak for SM86 but they'd probably be the 5th or 6th seed with a good QB and Steven A got Rex to semi put his foot in his mouth about Sanchez during a recent interview. Rex seems like the kind of guy (to me) who'd make a move like this if he could cuz he thinks he's close.

Could be wrong of course but it's not unreasonable to think Jets here.

Rex would go after Peyton at the first opportunity, he's let Sanchez and his mouth back him into a corner, The Broncos can't draft a QB high, and I don't see Elway signing Manning after going through "TebowTime" half the season. The Jags for some reason stated that Gabby is their franchise QB (but still don"t have a HC), the Dolphins still need a coach and it's anybody's guest what they will do. Same goes for the Browns although they have a FO, and coaches

CanesSkins26 wrote:

GoSkins wrote:Yes, if we only have to give up a 1st Rounder in 2013. Manning is the master. He will keep Kyle in place and lead the team until our 1st Round QB pick in 2012 is ready; which might be 2-3 years.

You want to trade a first round pick for a player that will be 36 years old and is coming off of missing most or all of an entire season because of three neck surgeries, that had to go to Europe to try medical stem cell treatments on his neck that aren't allowed in the US, and then put him behind our offensive line? That only makes sense if your goal is to put an end to Manning's career.

Now I'm not saying that I want Peyton to come here but hypothetically if he did,........ first off you do know this is PEYTON MANNING right? I mean this isn't Alex Smith or anything this is PEYTON MANNING! also you do know that with full starters our OLine is better than the Colts...right? Also did you ever think that if one of the greatest players in history was on our team, wouldn't you think that other players on offense would want to play with him? Also it would even be possible to lure defenders like "Hey! W'll actually play witha lead!"


As that "guy" on ESPN would say..... "Now I'm not say'n.........................................................but I'm just say'n.....You know what I'm say'n?"


and yes i do know that Manning is 35... i never said i wanted him to come here. i was just "making a case."

PicksixerTWSS

PickSixerTWSS wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

GoSkins wrote:Yes, if we only have to give up a 1st Rounder in 2013. Manning is the master. He will keep Kyle in place and lead the team until our 1st Round QB pick in 2012 is ready; which might be 2-3 years.

You want to trade a first round pick for a player that will be 36 years old and is coming off of missing most or all of an entire season because of three neck surgeries, that had to go to Europe to try medical stem cell treatments on his neck that aren't allowed in the US, and then put him behind our offensive line? That only makes sense if your goal is to put an end to Manning's career.

Now I'm not saying that I want Peyton to come here but hypothetically if he did,........ first off you do know this is PEYTON MANNING right? I mean this isn't Alex Smith or anything this is PEYTON MANNING! also you do know that with full starters our OLine is better than the Colts...right? Also did you ever think that if one of the greatest players in history was on our team, wouldn't you think that other players on offense would want to play with him? Also it would even be possible to lure defenders like "Hey! W'll actually play witha lead!"


As that "guy" on ESPN would say..... "Now I'm not say'n.........................................................but I'm just say'n.....You know what I'm say'n?"


and yes i do know that Manning is 35... i never said i wanted him to come here. i was just "making a case."

PicksixerTWSS

If you want to see them try to fit a square peg in a round hole again I think you will find the results the same. As good as he is it would be a mistake. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks and this staff doesn't bend much.

Tony Dungy says "Peyton Manning wants to play for the Colts and Jim Irsay wants Peyton Manning to play for the Colts"


simple really - Peyton Manning is not leaving the Colts until he cannot play QB in the NFL

SkinsJock wrote:Tony Dungy says "Peyton Manning wants to play for the Colts and Jim Irsay wants Peyton Manning to play for the Colts"


simple really - Peyton Manning is not leaving the Colts until he cannot play QB in the NFL

Agreed

That is why the Polians are out. They were going, sensibly from a football perspective, in a different direction. Keeping Manning makes only emotional sense. However, emotional decisions do not have a room in a FO.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Tony Dungy says "Peyton Manning wants to play for the Colts and Jim Irsay wants Peyton Manning to play for the Colts"


simple really - Peyton Manning is not leaving the Colts until he cannot play QB in the NFL

Agreed

That is why the Polians are out. They were going, sensibly from a football perspective, in a different direction. Keeping Manning makes only emotional sense. However, emotional decisions do not have a room in a FO.

Agreed. But can we discount the effect it has on teams morale to keep him? If he truly is healthy, the team does score points by standing by an injured player who gave his all to the franchise. This is the very thing that the Redskins lack... And while us fans may not think it matters because players are "rich" and should shut up and play. I think we can all look towards our own work environments and see just how much morale matters.

well if Peyton is back with the Colts, Goodell needs to simply announce (in fact he should have ended all this speculation by announcing this months ago) that the Colts will be forbidden from selecting Luck with the 1st pick. they have absolutely no right whatsoever to draft a QB with the first pick, having one of the best QBs in history for over a decade still on the team and having ONE FLUKE bad season the ONE time he EVER got injured. it's an absolute insult to and mockery of the intent of the draft order system and all the other franchises that have been waiting decades to find a franchise QB. if they take Luck then i will hope their stadium burns to the ground and they lose every game for the rest of time until the franchise folds and is moved somewhere else, and any decent person ought to as well.

die cowboys die wrote:well if Peyton is back with the Colts, Goodell needs to simply announce (in fact he should have ended all this speculation by announcing this months ago) that the Colts will be forbidden from selecting Luck with the 1st pick. they have absolutely no right whatsoever to draft a QB with the first pick, having one of the best QBs in history for over a decade still on the team and having ONE FLUKE bad season the ONE time he EVER got injured. it's an absolute insult to and mockery of the intent of the draft order system and all the other franchises that have been waiting decades to find a franchise QB. if they take Luck then i will hope their stadium burns to the ground and they lose every game for the rest of time until the franchise folds and is moved somewhere else, and any decent person ought to as well.

Well. All we can do now is hope that Luck is a bust. LMAO It's sickening that they may have "lucked" into Peytons clone.

I don't have a problem with Luck going to the Colts - the ONLY way that the Colts and any NFL franchise has the type of consistently competitive product on the field as they have had is to make sure that they have all the other pieces (FO, coaches, players) in place as well

Peyton Manning is a very special QB but he needs players and coaches playing together at a high level


It is simplistic to say that having a great QB guarantees success

the QB is a very important part of the offense and the team's success but ALL the other factors also need to be in place

If Andrew Luck goes to the Colts and plays very well - his performance is in large part measured or judged by how well his receivers catch the ball, by how many FGs his kicker makes and by how many yards his running backs get

IT TAKES A TEAM

Peyton Manning will stay with the Colts and the Colts should take Andrew Luck - they still have to have all the other pieces