DeAngelo Hall Thinks the Redskins Should Cut Him

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StorminMormon86 wrote:But Hall, as a CB, should still have been able to catch Witten, a TE. He needs to stop worrying about trying to strip the ball and just tackle these guys.


So he should have been able to catch him because in Madden DB's are faster than TE's, so his speed rating should have allowed for such? Sorry, real life TE's are fast! Offensive linemen are fast in bursts. Witten is no slouch.


Red_One43 wrote:Hall trying to run Witten down probably made a lot of fans think that he was the man who got beat on that play.


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Chris Luva Luva wrote:So he should have been able to catch him because in Madden DB's are faster than TE's, so his speed rating should have allowed for such? Sorry, real life TE's are fast! Offensive linemen are fast in bursts. Witten is no slouch.

Yes, some TE's are fast. Witten is big, and just so happened to be wide open. You can thank Deangelo for that one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLqB6SO1OVs

He very well may not have blown the coverage on Witten, but he sure as hell wasn't covering anyone in this play.
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StorminMormon86 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:So he should have been able to catch him because in Madden DB's are faster than TE's, so his speed rating should have allowed for such? Sorry, real life TE's are fast! Offensive linemen are fast in bursts. Witten is no slouch.

Yes, some TE's are fast. Witten is big, and just so happened to be wide open. You can thank Deangelo for that one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLqB6SO1OVs

He very well may not have blown the coverage on Witten, but he sure as hell wasn't covering anyone in this play.


We were playing zone on this play.

Hall left his zone as soon as the ball was thrown, had a bad angle, and gained ground. Hall had a small chance to dive at the 10 and drag Witten down just short of the golal line. Woulda been close.

The real shame is Bowen is just beating his man inside when Rak decides to duck under an go inside himself. If Rak just stays in his lane we sack Romo.

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This is John Keim's take on the Witten play:


4. Sounds like it was LB Perry Riley who should have been locked on tight end Jason Witten on the 59-yard touchdown pass. CB DeAngelo Hall said as much after the game when he talked about London Fletcher having to leave the game with cramps and how the next guy in needs to make the play. Well, Rocky McIntosh came in but Riley slid over to Fletcher’s spot. Safety DeJon Gomes was deep and over the top, but he had to also worry about Laurent Robinson on the outside. Riley just lost sight of Witten, who initially came off the line and sat in a soft part of the zone. When Tony Romo scrambled, Witten took off and Riley lost him. It’s the first time he’s played against Romo and when the guy scrambles, the play changes dramatically. Tough lesson. Gomes didn't seem to break any speed records chasing him, but that might have been because of his knee that he had hurt earlier in the game.


I was wondering why Gomes was running so slow on the play. Why was he in there if he was that hurt? What bad timing for cramps for Fletcher.

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DarthMonk wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:So he should have been able to catch him because in Madden DB's are faster than TE's, so his speed rating should have allowed for such? Sorry, real life TE's are fast! Offensive linemen are fast in bursts. Witten is no slouch.

Yes, some TE's are fast. Witten is big, and just so happened to be wide open. You can thank Deangelo for that one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLqB6SO1OVs

He very well may not have blown the coverage on Witten, but he sure as hell wasn't covering anyone in this play.


We were playing zone on this play.

Hall left his zone as soon as the ball was thrown, had a bad angle, and gained ground. Hall had a small chance to dive at the 10 and drag Witten down just short of the golal line. Woulda been close.

The real shame is Bowen is just beating his man inside when Rak decides to duck under an go inside himself. If Rak just stays in his lane we sack Romo.DarthMonk


When I look at the play as a whole, I have to go with Rak as the main problem with what happened on that play. Staying in his lane would have prevented Romo from a free roam the sideline.

I saw the Ravens game last night and saw Suggs make a a hesitsation move with a shoulder dip to the inside which froze the OT and then he blew past him on the outside. Does Rak ever watch tape of these guys who are top 5 pass rushers? Get some moves Rak!!! And he wonders why he is not considered a top 5 pass rusher. Get some moves Rak and you'll be everybodies All - Pro!
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Haslett on Gomes and Riley on the Witten play:

I thought he (Gomes) did a lot of good things,” said Haslett. “I thought he tuckered out at the end. The deep ball at the end of the game, he should’ve been high over the top. The other young guy, Perry [Riley] — that’s Perry’s guy. He should’ve run with him. So the two young guys gave up the 60-yarder. It’s a shame. I thought both of them, Perry and D.J. played pretty well for the most part.”


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StorminMormon86 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:So he should have been able to catch him because in Madden DB's are faster than TE's, so his speed rating should have allowed for such? Sorry, real life TE's are fast! Offensive linemen are fast in bursts. Witten is no slouch.

Yes, some TE's are fast. Witten is big, and just so happened to be wide open. You can thank Deangelo for that one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLqB6SO1OVs

He very well may not have blown the coverage on Witten, but he sure as hell wasn't covering anyone in this play.


Thanks for posting the video. I have watched it over and over. Bowen flushes out Romo so he moves to his left where no one is there. Rak has to be there. Gomes probably didn't get there because of his knee injury. Perry lost sight of him. Fletcher goes out the play before with cramps leaving the inexperienced Perry in on a key play. Rocky was in there but Perry slid to Fletcher's spot because Fox was out. This play is just like our season - inexperience and injuries cost us dearly.

Notice whose name is not mentioned in all of this? Hall. He wasn't covering anyone, but it appears that he had zone coverage on the play. Could he have dived and caught Witten and saved a TD as Darthmonk said? It sure looks like it, but, hey we are taking about Hall, the playmaker. I guess tha key quality of a playmaker is when they smell ball all other judgment goes out the window. I guess that is a good thing to have, but it would sure be nice to see our playmaker make a play this year.
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The playmaker stuff is largely bunk, I think. If you have the edge in terms of athleticism, then you are going to be more likely to be in a position to make plays — but even then the "playmakers" of the league are often inconsistent from one year to the next.

And besides, whatever athletic edge Hall once enjoyed, he doesn't anymore.

But yeah, it would be nice if he could make a few plays for us. :)
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Irn-Bru wrote:The playmaker stuff is largely bunk, I think. If you have the edge in terms of athleticism, then you are going to be more likely to be in a position to make plays — but even then the "playmakers" of the league are often inconsistent from one year to the next.

And besides, whatever athletic edge Hall once enjoyed, he doesn't anymore.

But yeah, it would be nice if he could make a few plays for us. :)


Here's a a coupl of plays that sum up what we are both talking about -

1. Last year TB game - Hall gets run over by LaGarrett Blount. Hall's speed and athleticism help him, not just catch up to Blount, but allow him to position himself for his playmaking move. Instead of tackling Blount from behind, he smells ball and locks in on it. He punches the ball out, then his athleticism allows him to pick the ball up and turn around and pick up a few yards.

On that play, I went from Hall, you suck for horribly missing the tackle, to amazement on making that play that never should have got to the fumble. All I could say was, that's our Hall.

2. Of course, the Dallas play in the first game, was a work of art. Smell ball, strip it and the athleticism to track it on the ground, pick it up, stay on his feet and score. We could have done without the somersault, but that's our Hall.
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I would be satisfied in he would just learn how to friggin' tackle already instead of trying to pop the ball out of receivers hands!
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StorminMormon86 wrote:I would be satisfied in he would just learn how to friggin' tackle already instead of trying to pop the ball out of receivers hands!


He is tackling better this year. He is trying to pop the ball loose also. I don't blame him because when you get beat like that you need the ball back. Last year he made plays by doing just that and it negated a big play by the opposing offense. I think he still sucks though. I want a real corner, but that has to wait.
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Didn't he have 4 picks in one game last year? Our whole d is evolving clicking here then not there.. For its second year in 3-4 and a whole slew of new starters... I can dig it. Hall is good imo and other factors aren't helping him

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Post by cowboykillerzRGiii »

Revis and Cromartie must be over rated... Or is the Fitzpatrick and Brad smith (who?) combo just to good for any corner?? Both have been getn passed at with out hesitation. I think zero passes defended and zero picks?

Anyway hope Hall plays w some fire today. Like to see a total beat down of the hawks
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EVERY CORNER IN the league gets beat just as often as HALL. You have about 4 cb's thats real good coverage corners other than that...guys are just getting beat. Teams are passing more!!
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How does DHall compare to the guys in Philly?
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Burgundy&Wha? wrote:How does DHall compare to the guys in Philly?


A. Samuel PHI CB 30 Tckl 10 PDef 2INTs 1TD 34YDS
N. Asomugha PHI CB 25 Tckl 8 PDef 3INTs 0TD 10YDS
D. Hall WAS CB 69 Tckl 13 PDef 2INTs 0TD 8YDS 1 FF
D. Revis NYJ CB 39 Tckl 17 PDef 4INTs 1TD 184YDS
J. McCourty TEN CB 85 Tckl 10 PDef 2INTs 0TD 52 YD 1FF 1Rec

I included McCourty, number 1 CB in tackles, as a gauge for tackles.
These stats don't prove who is the most effective, because they don't include passing yardage given up, but it makes for interesting food for thought.
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Hall was named NFC defensive player of the week.
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