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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:18 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
redskinz4ever wrote:first off cam newton was there for the taking the panthers wanted to trade out of there #1 pick
i liked ponder also for a starter.
yes kerrigan is a good pick no argument there ....just saying there were qbs for the taking which are better than what we have now
The #1 pick was "there for the taking?" Are you serious? We have so little now and we'd have had to give up a ton to get that. We'd have Cam and probably no #1 next year and all our other high picks gone. That's crazy.
As for Ponder, I've seen nothing that he's a long term solution. You got nothing. I'll take Kerrigan and the extra picks we got over those disaster choices any day.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:20 pm
by redskinz4ever
KazooSkinsFan wrote:redskinz4ever wrote:first off cam newton was there for the taking the panthers wanted to trade out of there #1 pick
i liked ponder also for a starter.
yes kerrigan is a good pick no argument there ....just saying there were qbs for the taking which are better than what we have now
The #1 pick was "there for the taking?" Are you serious? We have so little now and we'd have had to give up a ton to get that. We'd have Cam and probably no #1 next year and all our other high picks gone. That's crazy.
As for Ponder, I've seen nothing that he's a long term solution. You got nothing. I'll take Kerrigan and the extra picks we got over those disaster choices any day.
i see your a know it all
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:22 pm
by skinpride1
At least with Cam we would have a damn fine QB.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:23 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
skinpride1 wrote:Offer solutions??? Sorry that is suppose to be Mike's job that he is getting paid Millions for and what the Skins have a scouting department for.
And yet the other coaches with those things don't seem to be able to get QB's so easily either. So your demand for a QB now is still pretty reality challenged.
skinpride1 wrote:I never said that I wanted it now your making sh$% up but I do want it in the 2012 draft, However.
He's just started coaching his second season and you're bashing him for not having fixed the QB position. I'd say that's wanting it "now"
skinpride1 wrote:Stop getting off the topic which in this thread is rating what Mike has done up to now
Shannahan not getting a QB is "off the topic" of how he's doing as coach?
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:24 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
redskinz4ever wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:redskinz4ever wrote:first off cam newton was there for the taking the panthers wanted to trade out of there #1 pick
i liked ponder also for a starter.
yes kerrigan is a good pick no argument there ....just saying there were qbs for the taking which are better than what we have now
The #1 pick was "there for the taking?" Are you serious? We have so little now and we'd have had to give up a ton to get that. We'd have Cam and probably no #1 next year and all our other high picks gone. That's crazy.
As for Ponder, I've seen nothing that he's a long term solution. You got nothing. I'll take Kerrigan and the extra picks we got over those disaster choices any day.
i see your a know it all
Challenging your statement is knowing it all? So when you disagree with something, you think you can't disagree with it because that would make you a know it all? Or is that just a standard you apply to me because I disagree with you?
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:25 pm
by redskinz4ever
we have traded away picks to move up before
and your saying kerrigan over newton ......really ???? lol
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:26 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
skinpride1 wrote:At least with Cam we would have a damn fine QB.
But with all our other needs, it would be worth giving up probably all our high picks for the next two years?
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:27 pm
by DarthMonk
The McNabb move alone eliminates A as an option. An A typically means excellence.
DarthMonk
KazooSkinsFan wrote:langleyparkjoe wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:langleyparkjoe wrote:Who voted "A"? Seriously.
The perpetrator admitted it a couple posts up from your question.
Hmmmm... I think based on your explanation combined with how we play, I think I'd go with a "B" Kazo. If at this point we only lost 1 or 2 games than I'd say "A" given your explanation for your answer.
Keeping everything into account and the fact its only his second year as our coach I gave them a "C" right now. It's cloudy though because you can't coach how they perform on Sundays (drop passes, tip passes, missed assignment, etc.).
I say "A" because my career has been in management and management consulting and I know how hard it is to turn around a culture. Every time I went into a disaster I was told as I went in that everyone knew it wasn't my fault and didn't blame me for it, then I spent the next however many months being blamed for everything as I fixed it. It always worked out in the end. Unfortunately I had it better then Redskin HC's. They aren't blame when they come in, but the next week they are blamed as if they'd caused it and unlike me that blame doesn't go away eventually as they make things better.
I think there is a clear culture change and players are buying into Shannahan. In his second year he started 3-1 and people got ahead of themselves. That despite a QB who sucks, a better but shaky o-line and a thin receiving corps. I don't buy into that it's deep. Lots of mediocre receivers isn't "deep."
I don't see the issue. We are better, we were wiped out by injuries. We still have a long way to go. We haven't fixed QB and that's the hardest position to fix. There is no new news. The bottom line is that with what he started with and the short time he's been here and things outside his control based on HIS performance he's done everything he can possibly do.
If I hadn't stuck to recognizing what I did and didn't control I would have let people get to me and failed. By refusing to accept that things were my fault that weren't and staying positive about what I was doing, I always did it. I was well paid, not complaining. But I'm measuring him as I wanted to be measured, by MY performance. And his has been excellent. I stand by the "A"
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:27 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
redskinz4ever wrote:we have traded away picks to move up before
and your saying kerrigan over newton ......really ???? lol
Even you must know that's not what I said. What I said was:
Kerrigan + our second round pick this year + our first round pick next year + probably more over newton.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:28 pm
by redskinz4ever
KazooSkinsFan wrote:redskinz4ever wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:redskinz4ever wrote:first off cam newton was there for the taking the panthers wanted to trade out of there #1 pick
i liked ponder also for a starter.
yes kerrigan is a good pick no argument there ....just saying there were qbs for the taking which are better than what we have now
The #1 pick was "there for the taking?" Are you serious? We have so little now and we'd have had to give up a ton to get that. We'd have Cam and probably no #1 next year and all our other high picks gone. That's crazy.
As for Ponder, I've seen nothing that he's a long term solution. You got nothing. I'll take Kerrigan and the extra picks we got over those disaster choices any day.
i see your a know it all
Challenging your statement is knowing it all? So when you disagree with something, you think you can't disagree with it because that would make you a know it all? Or is that just a standard you apply to me because I disagree with you?
no its the " you got nothing " wise ass statement that got the response
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:29 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
DarthMonk wrote:The McNabb move alone eliminates A as an option. An A typically means excellence.
When you say one move alone eliminates anything, you don't know how to evaluate people.
I like how in a discussion where people are like wah, I want a QB and I'm saying it's not so easy to get, you come in with eliminating A because he took a gamble with a second rounder to get a QB. For that position, you have to take the chance. Since I'm being attacked from both sides, I'm probably pretty reasonable on this...
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:31 pm
by redskinz4ever
KazooSkinsFan wrote:skinpride1 wrote:At least with Cam we would have a damn fine QB.
But with all our other needs, it would be worth giving up probably all our high picks for the next two years?
it would have been 2 # 1s ....worth it YES !!
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:32 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
redskinz4ever wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:redskinz4ever wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:redskinz4ever wrote:first off cam newton was there for the taking the panthers wanted to trade out of there #1 pick
i liked ponder also for a starter.
yes kerrigan is a good pick no argument there ....just saying there were qbs for the taking which are better than what we have now
The #1 pick was "there for the taking?" Are you serious? We have so little now and we'd have had to give up a ton to get that. We'd have Cam and probably no #1 next year and all our other high picks gone. That's crazy.
As for Ponder, I've seen nothing that he's a long term solution. You got nothing. I'll take Kerrigan and the extra picks we got over those disaster choices any day.
i see your a know it all
Challenging your statement is knowing it all? So when you disagree with something, you think you can't disagree with it because that would make you a know it all? Or is that just a standard you apply to me because I disagree with you?
no its the " you got nothing " wise ass statement that got the response
You haven't come up with any good argument to support your assertion he could have gotten a rookie QB. You listed a borderline player and the #1 overall pick we'd have had to give the ranch for when our ranch is already pretty low on cattle. You got nothing. Or if you prefer, if you have anything, you haven't given it up. You got a better argument on how Shannahan failed us? Or can you make a better case for how we get the overall #1 pick? And Ponder the solution? Please. A hack QB and then we loose our bookend outside LB who's quickly becoming one of our best D players.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:34 pm
by skinpride1
KazooSkinsFan wrote:skinpride1 wrote:Offer solutions??? Sorry that is suppose to be Mike's job that he is getting paid Millions for and what the Skins have a scouting department for.
And yet the other coaches with those things don't seem to be able to get QB's so easily either. So your demand for a QB now is still pretty reality challenged.
skinpride1 wrote:I never said that I wanted it now your making sh$% up but I do want it in the 2012 draft, However.
He's just started coaching his second season and you're bashing him for not having fixed the QB position. I'd say that's wanting it "now"
skinpride1 wrote:Stop getting off the topic which in this thread is rating what Mike has done up to now
Shannahan not getting a QB is "off the topic" of how he's doing as coach?
Guess where screwed then.
Damn doesn't this seem so "Deja Vu"
Coach already made his mark in the NFL.
Gets over the hill Veteran QB that Flops.
Then has to resort to the back ups that can't play.
Then drafts a QB but wait on this one ....HOPE the next one that we Draft really is a franchise QB.
Cause if not bet Mike folds in year Four. "Deja Vu."
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:34 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
redskinz4ever wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:skinpride1 wrote:At least with Cam we would have a damn fine QB.
But with all our other needs, it would be worth giving up probably all our high picks for the next two years?
it would have been 2 # 1s ....worth it YES !!
Two #1's? Maybe if we had a top five pick. But the #10 pick and next year's #1? No way Carolina would have made that trade. We'd have had to give up a slew of other picks. You're dreaming.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:37 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
skinpride1 wrote:Guess where screwed then
My point is you can't do it on demand. We have lots of needs, when he sees the guy he likes for a price we can pay we'll get him. But to just say he needs to poof us a starting QB on demand is asking for something that just isn't going to happen.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:39 pm
by skinpride1
KazooSkinsFan wrote:redskinz4ever wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:skinpride1 wrote:At least with Cam we would have a damn fine QB.
But with all our other needs, it would be worth giving up probably all our high picks for the next two years?
it would have been 2 # 1s ....worth it YES !!
Two #1's? Maybe if we had a top five pick. But the #10 pick and next year's #1? No way Carolina would have made that trade. We'd have had to give up a slew of other picks. You're dreaming.
Your right Kazoo.
I'm dreaming of that day when the skins finally do get a real franchise QB.
Bet it will be running through my dreams tonight when I sleep .
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:42 pm
by redskinz4ever
KazooSkinsFan wrote:redskinz4ever wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:redskinz4ever wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:redskinz4ever wrote:first off cam newton was there for the taking the panthers wanted to trade out of there #1 pick
i liked ponder also for a starter.
yes kerrigan is a good pick no argument there ....just saying there were qbs for the taking which are better than what we have now
The #1 pick was "there for the taking?" Are you serious? We have so little now and we'd have had to give up a ton to get that. We'd have Cam and probably no #1 next year and all our other high picks gone. That's crazy.
As for Ponder, I've seen nothing that he's a long term solution. You got nothing. I'll take Kerrigan and the extra picks we got over those disaster choices any day.
i see your a know it all
Challenging your statement is knowing it all? So when you disagree with something, you think you can't disagree with it because that would make you a know it all? Or is that just a standard you apply to me because I disagree with you?
no its the " you got nothing " wise ass statement that got the response
You haven't come up with any good argument to support your assertion he could have gotten a rookie QB. You listed a borderline player and the #1 overall pick we'd have had to give the ranch for when our ranch is already pretty low on cattle. You got nothing. Or if you prefer, if you have anything, you haven't given it up. You got a better argument on how Shannahan failed us? Or can you make a better case for how we get the overall #1 pick? And Ponder the solution? Please. A hack QB and then we loose our bookend outside LB who's quickly becoming one of our best D players.
shanny for one hasn't done much in the way of right either where are we as a franchise ??? pretty much where we were before he got here IMO.ok so we got no qb our oline is crap our wrs are below average and our D is ok at best ....... so are we going to address our nee at the most important position on the team or are we going with nfl rejects for the next few years ??
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:43 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
skinpride1 wrote:Your right Kazoo.
I'm dreaming of that day when the skins finally do get a real franchise QB.
Bet it will be running through my dreams tonight when I sleep .
I thought guys dream about women. Maybe that's just me...
I mean my wife of course. Is that you honey?
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:46 pm
by redskinz4ever
KazooSkinsFan wrote:redskinz4ever wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:skinpride1 wrote:At least with Cam we would have a damn fine QB.
But with all our other needs, it would be worth giving up probably all our high picks for the next two years?
it would have been 2 # 1s ....worth it YES !!
Two #1's? Maybe if we had a top five pick. But the #10 pick and next year's #1? No way Carolina would have made that trade. We'd have had to give up a slew of other picks. You're dreaming.
OOOtay
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:47 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
redskinz4ever wrote:so are we going to address our nee at the most important position on the team or are we going with nfl rejects for the next few years ??
We're going with the best option. We traded down and got more picks. We got Kerrigan who's looking very good. We got Jenkins who everyone loved before he got injured. We kept our draft picks and a bunch of others have started. We got Gaffney, Hightower. When the right QB is there we'll grab him. THAT is how good teams are build. Shannahan is dead on, he's well earned his "A." And you keep ignoring that...hello...practically our entire O is out and our D is a lot better then last year even if they still have holes. There is zero realistic in your assessment. It's just bashing.
Had we grabbed the wrong QB we'd have had no QB and holes in those other areas.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:47 pm
by skinpride1
I meant right after the dream about the two blonde TWINS WITH BIG UNS .
ooPS TO MUCH INFO
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:47 pm
by redskinz4ever
KazooSkinsFan wrote:skinpride1 wrote:Your right Kazoo.
I'm dreaming of that day when the skins finally do get a real franchise QB.
Bet it will be running through my dreams tonight when I sleep .
I thought guys dream about women. Maybe that's just me...
I mean my wife of course. Is that you honey?
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:48 pm
by skinpride1
redskinz4ever wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:skinpride1 wrote:Your right Kazoo.
I'm dreaming of that day when the skins finally do get a real franchise QB.
Bet it will be running through my dreams tonight when I sleep .
I thought guys dream about women. Maybe that's just me...
I mean my wife of course. Is that you honey?
that was a good one lol.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:51 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
redskinz4ever wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:Two #1's? Maybe if we had a top five pick. But the #10 pick and next year's #1? No way Carolina would have made that trade. We'd have had to give up a slew of other picks. You're dreaming.
OOOtay
Conceding again that you can't support your position?