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markshark84 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

markshark84 wrote:I don't understand why the skins would replace their offensive centerpiece while that are 3-1

Because our O is still bad, Grossman is bad and he's a turnover machine. Yeah, he's way better then Campbell. But man, he still stinks. We are on the right track, but no way are we going to the Super Bowl this year. Now is the time to try things, not when we actually are good as I hope we'll be in a couple years. I'm not saying Beck or bust, but Shannahan said it was very close. He also said Grossman was better. He's not. So let's give Beck a shot. Then decide who to take the rest of this year's shot with.

I don't get this OMG, we're 3-1, we can't change ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!! Sure we can. And we're not that good. Don't get me wrong, I'm loving it. But I think we've got a long way to go to actually be good and I just don't get clinging out of fear to a quarterback who's not good and isn't winning any games for us. Our D is a lot closer then our O. Our O needs a lot more work.

I basically agree that our offense is not very good, but I personally think it would get worse with Beck. I don't think Beck is a better QB than Grossman. Beck was basically handed the keys and lost them in the preseason.

It is my opinion that a number of people enjoy testing out "potential" or the unknown in this case. Beck is a complete unknown. He has been in the league for 5 years and never seen the light of day. Personally, that tells me something, but to others it may mean that everyone else, including Bill Parcells has missed something about Beck that may make him a good QB -- which I find doubtful.

Right now we are in the playoff hunt -- therefore it is NOT the time to try new things (unless you only care about going to the SB and not improving as a team and using that improvement as a benchmark for next season -- which, of course would result in never getting to the SB). It doesn't make sense to change the formula and risk regression due to a QB change. Now, if we lose our next 2 games, then sure, but making an impulsive, premature change in leadership is not the smart move. And to answer your question -- sure there are things we could change -- like the RB or punt returner, BUT a QB change is the equivalent of giving the team a heart transplant. If you are winning MAJOR changes shouldn't be made.

And finally, I wouldn't hastily say that Grossman hasn't won games for us. I don't think Hightower's 72 rushing yards or the 3 rushing first downs we had against the Giants is the reason we pulled that game out. Grossman was a HUGE reason why we won that game. He deserved the game ball. Now, he has had bad games such as against STL, but as long as he is winning, I don't see the need to pull him.

This is the best by far actual argument I've read on sticking with Grossman. I thought that Grossman had a better pre-season then he's had a season and that's why he got the job. I also am not so concerned with this year even at 3-1 other then being a building block year. And I don't think starting Beck actually would necessarily hurt our chances. But that's opinion and you state yours well also on why you don't want to do it, at least not now.

This has been alluded to ...

Rex takes charge of a huddle and the team believes in him. They have confidence in him. When Rex comes to the line and says "Oscar, Oscar" then hands to Torrain who runs through a gaping hole and scores a TD from 20 yards out the team is confident the next time he audibles. They therefore carry out their assignments WITHOUT HESITATION for him. They don't TRY HARDER for him but they perform better as they are confident.

Steve Czaban needs to hear this.

Stick with Rex at 3-1.

DarthMonk

This has been alluded to ...

Rex takes charge of a huddle and the team believes in him. They have confidence in him. When Rex comes to the line and says "Oscar, Oscar" then hands to Torrain who runs through a gaping hole and scores a TD from 20 yards out the team is confident the next time he audibles. They therefore carry out their assignments WITHOUT HESITATION for him. They don't TRY HARDER for him but they perform better as they are confident.

Steve Czaban needs to hear this.

Stick with Rex at 3-1.

DarthMonk

markshark84 wrote:I don't understand why the skins would replace their offensive centerpiece while that are 3-1

NOBODY is suggesting replacing the "offensive centerpiece"

let's be clear - Grossman is NOT an essential part of the Redskins offense
AND ... I am not in favor of Grossman not being the starter - I have absolutely no doubt about his ability to play the QB position

THAT is EXACTLY why we need to make sure that Beck can play WHEN (NOT if) we need him

langleyparkjoe wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote::roll:

I so don't wanna go back to the days of Cerrato/Snyder running the team and changing a bum QB with a winning record for a QB we don't know jack diddly squat about except for preseason when he did pretty decent and crapped out in HIS most important game so far. (vs 2nd and 3rd string Def players)

You guys really want Beck in vs the Smeagles??

LPJ, I'm right there with you. I don't like you this week, but I agree with your comment lol.

I mean really? Manningham 2pts.... Really?

LOL! Chop, chop, chop. Watch how I springboard my way back up now!

Hows about posting those results, LPJ?

Deadskins wrote:

markshark84 wrote:Beck is a complete unknown. He has been in the league for 5 years and never seen the light of day. Personally, that tells me something, but to others it may mean that everyone else, including Bill Parcells has missed something about Beck that may make him a good QB -- which I find doubtful.

Tom Brady was also an unknown until Bledsoe went down. No, I'm not saying Beck is the next Brady, but you don't always know what you have until you give the guy a chance. And sometimes guys don't develop until later in their careers. The Chargers traded away Brees, and he turned out to be pretty good. Sometimes it takes the right coach, teammates, or system for a guy to flourish.

Yes, but everyone in NE had a VERY high opinion of Brady even before he took over. He started his rookie season as their #4 (and they kept 4 QBs specifically because of their high opinion of Brady) and by year end he was #2. He started over Bledsoe by his second year in the NFL at the age of 22. Brady was on the fast track and everyone knew it. By the end of his first season with NE, multiple teams had interest in trading for him (which I learned from NFL scouts). Beck is 30, has been in the league for 5 years now, and is currently with his THIRD NFL team. He has never proven that he is a capable QB during the half-decade he has been in the league.

In terms of Brees, he was a pro bowl QB for the Chargers by his 4th year in the league (his third playing year). And the reason SD did not come to a contractual agreement with Brees (he was not traded -- and they offered him a contract) was because (1) he hurt his THROWING shoulder, (2) SD drafted a, IMHO, sure thing QB with a top 10 pick, and (3) Brees had a huge season in his contract year and SD didn't want to pay him a "top 5 QB salary" as requested by Brees after SD disrespected him by offering an incentive based contract. There were two teams (although more would have been involved if the asking price wasn't so high) seriously interested in Brees after it was obvious a deal wasn't going to be made with SD -- and NO gave him 10 Million GUARENTEED in his first year. Beck is making 800k. Brees flourished in both situations because he is a good QB. IMHO, as long as a QB has a half decent OL, they should be able to perform.

With all this being said, there is still the possibility that Beck is still a quality QB -- mainly because we haven't seen him play in a large amount of games. I have seen plays were Beck has made great throws, but it was my opinion that he was -- without question -- out performed by Rex in the preseason. BUT, if I were a betting man, I am not sure I would bank on him coming out and out performing Rex. The chips are stacked against him. He has consistently been passed over by a number of coaches, teams, and FOs. I was told by a former teammate that he didn't exactly "light it up" in practices or situational drills. But, this is the NFL -- it's a crap shoot; anything can happen.

Mike (& maybe Kyle) made it clear that they had a lot of confidence in Beck

I don't care who did not think that Beck was a decent QB,
ALL that is important to our QB situation is Mike & Kyle. DO they still think Beck is a good QB? do we need a back up?
Grossman is an adequate QB

I am not advocating changing QBs - I'm not at all confidant in Grossman playing a full season at QB at an acceptable level

Grossman is not going to suddenly become a good QB - he's not done anything really bad - he's also not helping the offense score a bunch of TDs either

I hope that Beck get's some real game experience before we need him (& find out that he's not a decent QB) - and we will