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KazooSkinsFan wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:The fact that I haven't seen anyone disprove is why McNabb didn't get better as he got more comfortable as he put more time in the offense. He did not improve.

And you haven't addressed the dearth of passing targets, that the OL didn't improve until about the time he was benched or the running game with Torrain in and out of the lineup.

As I've said many, many times, simply his comfort and reps in his new scheme should have had him show improvement as the season went on. But it didn't.

I have never placed all the blame on McNabb. But I refuse to exonerate him. He WAS part of the problem and won't be much, if any, better this year.

You might be right Vet but if this thing drags on for a while and we're left with these 3 QBs - I'd prefer McNabb if he comes in and shows he's the best option with whatever time we've got before the season

HOWEVER - I still think that we get something for him and he's not here

we are a ways away from being a consistently good franchise and having Beck or Grossman is not exactly hurting our playoff chances

we are not there yet but I also do not think that we're going to be too bad either

McNabb was not the whole reason we did not do well offensively, there were many areas of concern - replacing the 2009 offensive line will take time - at the end of the season the offensive line looked a lot better

Countertrey wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:I said this last year and I will say it again. I dont like the Father and son coaching on the same staff.

I still feel Mike does not have the teams best interests in mind. I feel Mike only wants to help his son eventually become the next head coach. Just my gut feeling but there was plenty of evidence for this last year with the way Mcnabb was treated.

This is pretty ridiculous to think a Hall of fame QB has suddenly lost it when the year before he just made the playoffs?
We had close to the worst defense in the league last year. We gave up close to the most sacks last year. We had no true no 1 receiver. No real running game. What the heck did Mcnabb have to work with? Plus you add in a new offense to learn.

Just watch and see. When Mcnabb lands on the Vikings he is going to take them to the playoffs.

I seriously doubt that, if Mike's agenda is to ensure his son's career, he would permit anything that he didn't think would, in fact, address that goal. The bottom line is, anything that is good for Kyle Shanahan's reputation is also good for the Redskins. Harming one harms the other. To suggest that Mike would "get stupid" and do things that are counterproductive in order to help his son is ludicrous on it's face.

If the Vikings go to the playoffs with McNabb, so what? They are already one of the most talented teams in the league. McNabb is a decent quarterback... except that his forte is the ad lib (because, apparently, he can't or won't learn the system to Shanahan's satisfaction). In a circumstance where your offense may lend it'self to ad libbing quarterbacks (as does MN's) it wouldn't be a problem to have McNabb... though he is clearly not in the same league as Favre was at his prime, he is easily superior to Favre last season.

In other words, if McNabb leads MN to the playoffs, so what? That is not relevant to what he would or could do here.

Mcnabb has and always was what he is. The Shanahans knew what they were getting.

When the offense struggled with the minimal talent the team had. Instead of taking responsibility and realizing what we always had in the first place. They benched a hall of fame QB who had little talent to work with.

Why not take some of the responsibilty for last seasons struggles instead of benching our best qb in years in order to attempt to save face.


The exact reason I don't like Father and son working on the same staff is this. There will be situations in which players and the offensive coordinator may not agree. Instead of thinking what is right and what is wrong. Mike can easily be influenced to take his sons side. Rather then reason and do what he thinks is right. Just the mere possibility of situations like this is why I dont want this father son combo.

Apparently the Shanahans and Mcnabb had some sort of dispute.

Now I question this. Had Kyle not been the offensive coordinator last year? Would Mcnabb have been benched? Would Mcnabb even be on the way out? I seriously doubt it. Had we had another offensive coordinator who was not the son. Mcnabb would never have been benched.

HEROHAMO wrote:Mcnabb has and always was what he is. The Shanahans knew what they were getting.

They benched a hall of fame QB who had little talent to work with.

McNabb is not a hall of fame qb. He was very good in his prime, but the only hall of fame that he is getting into is the Syracuse University hall of fame.