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KazooSkinsFan wrote:The only crapping being done is by you on the team and it's frankly lame.

Yeah, I'm a negative nancy. I defend Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan. I take my lame self every year to Dallas to watch us lose as well as take trips to DC specially to see Redskins games where I am usually rewarded with efforts like I saw on MNF against the Eagles. Yeah, I'm suuuuuch a lame fan since I disagree how we have handled one position out of 22. Uh huh, that makes sense.

Red_One43 wrote:Since you are speculating, how about speculate who the "guy" was the couple of times Mike missed out. Just curious as to who you think that Mike wanted.

As far as how accurate you your thoughts are - We just watched a coach orchestrate a plan during this draft, it is highly improbable that this coach did not go after his guy with all the picks he had. It is clear that his priority was number of players to fit needs. When he did want a particular player that he felt that he might not get, he traded up for him (Helu). You provided no basis for your thinking except a rumor. Why not base your thinking on what actually happened?

I refuse to believe we have decided to go to war against Eli Manning, Tony Romo, and Mike Vick with John Beck. If our plan is to go all out for Andrew Luck, let's remember we probably won't be the only team bidding for that spot.... Assuming the team at the top spot doesn't need a franchise QB and is willing to move down.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Food for thought:

Gus Frerotte was the last QB drafted by the Redskins to be elected to the Pro Bowl as a member of the team. He was drafted in the 6th round out of Tulsa in 1994. He only has 12 TD passes that year, so he may have been an alternate. Can't remember. Before him, it was Mark Rypien drafted in the 6th round in 1986. He went twice.

Eddie LeBarron and Sammy Baugh are the only guys every drafted by the Redskins to go to the Pro-Bowl 4 or more times, and I would strongly argue that Baugh is the only star QB the Redskins have ever drafted (and short of Theismann) the only star they've ever had.

Let's hope they can change this some day soon.

I have lost all faith. Tony Banks, Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffel, Patrick Ramsey, Tim Hasselbeck, Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins, Donovan McNabb, who is next? John Beck! Yay!!! It sums up our franchise that Rex Grossman is actually getting some nods of approval as the QB going into next year.

It's a QB's league. When is the last time an average QB won the championship without a top 5 all time defense? (Bucs, Ravens)

Smithian wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:The only crapping being done is by you on the team and it's frankly lame.

Yeah, I'm a negative nancy. I defend Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan. I take my lame self every year to Dallas to watch us lose as well as take trips to DC specially to see Redskins games where I am usually rewarded with efforts like I saw on MNF against the Eagles. Yeah, I'm suuuuuch a lame fan since I disagree how we have handled one position out of 22. Uh huh, that makes sense

Hmm...none of those were what I addressed. It was your post that we're stupid and we suck because we thought an NFL starting caliber quarterback would fall to the 10th pick of the second round and it blew up in our face. Dude, it was a stupid post, just man up and say you got away from yourself.

i'm not sure exactly what the "Suck and Luck" proposal entails, but i was telling my girlfriend the other day that what Shanahan should do is simply hold a press conference and announce "we are going to deliberately try to lose every single game this year so we can get the #1 pick and draft Andrew Luck". laugh all you want, but it actually would by far be the best thing the franchise could possibly do. we have to find a franchise QB.
by announcing it ahead of time, all of us fans would know not to get pissed off at us losing every game, and instead just be excited about getting Luck next year.

there's no rule in football that says you have to try to win.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote: Why can't the coaches just have thought the guys available were all toss ups and they couldn't pass on players they actually liked at other positions over a roll of the dice on guys likely to be no better then the guys we have? It's not always complicated you know.

Why can't the coaches have just went into the draft decided that they weren't going to draft a QB? That way the coaches could entertain all offers of teams wanting to move up and acquire lots of draft choices. It just can't get any simplier than that.

You're still making a flagrant assumption though that they had made a decision not to draft a QB. Is it "possible?" Sure, but you still pulled it out of your...

OK, I get what you are saying. I based my statement on Shanny's post draft statements praising Beck, but those statements don't mean that he did not think about drafting a QB in the draft. Though it is possible a coach can say we are not drafting a QB, it is highly improbable because coaches don't work their draft boards in that manner. Thanks.

Red_One43 wrote:OK, I get what you are saying. I based my statement on Shanny's post draft statements praising Beck, but those statements don't mean that he did not think about drafting a QB in the draft. Though it is possible a coach can say we are not drafting a QB, it is highly improbable because coaches don't work their draft boards in that manner. Thanks.

Uh oh, we didn't draft a QB. Maybe I'd better make nice with the ones we still have because they're going to be the ones playing for us this year...

So anyway, fair enough on your comments, but this is what I'd be thinking if I were Shannahan. While I've been generally supportive of the new regime, I still don't understand why they don't seem to be interested at all in the one actual quality quarterback we actually have under contract. I said and stand by that relationship can be cured in a hurry if they make the call to go to McNabb, but I don't understand why they don't seem to be making that call.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Smithian wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:The only crapping being done is by you on the team and it's frankly lame.

Yeah, I'm a negative nancy. I defend Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan. I take my lame self every year to Dallas to watch us lose as well as take trips to DC specially to see Redskins games where I am usually rewarded with efforts like I saw on MNF against the Eagles. Yeah, I'm suuuuuch a lame fan since I disagree how we have handled one position out of 22. Uh huh, that makes sense

Hmm...none of those were what I addressed. It was your post that we're stupid and we suck because we thought an NFL starting caliber quarterback would fall to the 10th pick of the second round and it blew up in our face. Dude, it was a stupid post, just man up and say you got away from yourself.

Here's what I posted......

Smithian wrote:From all the stuff swirling from Redskins camp about the QB situation here is what I think happened; they told themselves there were 5 or 6 good QBs. They could afford to be picky. They traded back a couple times thinking, "We'll get our guy next time", and eventually realized they missed out on every QB from Gabbert to Mallett to Ricky Stanzi.

We crapped the bed.

I think that is what happened. I hope that is what happened. Because if we're comfortable looking for a bargain basement, over the hill FA QB or, god help us, trusting John Beck to save us.... We have issues.

I didn't say we sucked but we certainly have sucked past few years. This was a good draft overall, but I still wish we had taken a shot at a QB.

Smithian wrote:From all the stuff swirling from Redskins camp about the QB situation here is what I think happened; they told themselves there were 5 or 6 good QBs. They could afford to be picky. They traded back a couple times thinking, "We'll get our guy next time", and eventually realized they missed out on every QB from Gabbert to Mallett to Ricky Stanzi.

We crapped the bed.

Smithian wrote:I think that is what happened

Exactly, and that's what I keep mocking. The options are:

1) We weren't sold on any of the rookies.

2) We thought we could get an NFL starting caliber QB late in the draft. I was being generous with the second round #10 because two of the three you listed went far later.

The second option makes zero sense. Even Danny and Vinnie aren't that stupid. Believe what you want, but your post is preposterous. Obviously we weren't sold on them.

I frankly was rooting against our drafting a QB every time they picked because I didn't really like any of them either for what we had to give up to get them.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Why can't the coaches just have thought the guys available were all toss ups and they couldn't pass on players they actually liked at other positions over a roll of the dice on guys likely to be no better then the guys we have? It's not always complicated you know.

I think it's pretty simple too - they most likely wanted a couple of QBs and they couldn't get them - they simply went with the players they thought would help

we are still looking for our future great QB BUT we did not make the mistake of hoping that one of these guys would be that QB - well done IMO

Of the 3 QBs here (well Grossman is kind of here) I like McNabb but I think we'll give him up for a draft pick in 2012
I think that they bring in a free agent QB and we keep our options open as to how to find the next guy


this whole rebuilding process was never going to be done with the 2011 draft
we always were looking for more improvement this year and then hopefully have a good group together for a playoff run in 2012
The future great QB just was not part of this draft is all


The FO's job with this draft and getting ready for this season has to looked at in conjunction with what other players are brought in through free agency, trades or whatever - so far, not a bad job at all IMO


I just don't think that the starting QB for the first game is in DC yet

die cowboys die wrote:i'm not sure exactly what the "Suck and Luck" proposal entails, but i was telling my girlfriend the other day that what Shanahan should do is simply hold a press conference and announce "we are going to deliberately try to lose every single game this year so we can get the #1 pick and draft Andrew Luck".

mmmyeah... that's pretty much it...


'cept, the press conference is optional...

Mike's not doing the presser about the QB ... but just about anything else goes here