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skinsfan#33 wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote: i know. worst trade in skins history!

Worst trade in Skin's history? No Way! Clinton gave us 7 seasons - 4 thousand yard seasons and the most telling thing about Clinton that some people forget is he was a scat back, but Gibbs asked him to put on the pounds and be his "John Riggins." Clinton willingly accepted the role and was pounded into a shortened career as a Redskin. On the field, he gave all he had and then tried to give more than what he had left. Finally, let's not forget that Champ said that he wasn't going to play for the Skins anymore. If you want to say that giving up a 2nd rounder and a shutdown corner for a star running back is not an equal deal, I would agree, but too say, the worst trade - that's going too far.

You just made my case even stonger. I'm was talking from a purely value stand point not a fit stand point.

Value.

We gave up the best corner in the NFL for (at that time) the third best RB in the AFC West. Not the NFL, just his division.

Fit.

A RB better fitted for the zone blocking not the Joe Gibbs power running system.

Look, I think CP gave his all on the field and whenever he had a good OL or wasn't hurt he produced. My comment was not about his production, but about the value of the trade. You simply don't make that trade straight up (giving him away). Shut down corners are much, much, much harder to find than RBs. MS has it right; you should never invest heavily at the RB position. Then you add in the 2nd and we paid the Broncos to take Bailey.

And no Bailey wasn't going anywhere, because he was franchised.

No problem helping you make your point stronger. With your clarification, I agree with you on the point that the trade should not have been made with that deal on the table. Regardless of Champ's status, we gave up too much to get Portis. You do not trade a shut down corner for a runningback unless he's Barry Sanders or Walter Payton. Then we threw in the 2nd rounder. Shanny should have given us the second rounder. Still I say that it wasn't the worst trade in Skin's history even if we over paid because we got something valuable back. You look at the LLoyd restricted FA sigining which amounted to a trade. We gave up a 3rd and 4th rounder and got nothing back. The 49ers warned us about the guy. If I am correct, we had already overpaid for Randle El. We traded for TJ Ducket for a 3rd rounder and got nothing back. The trade was made even though Betts was healthy ( he went on to rush for over a 1,000 yards). Everyone knew that Duckett was a heavy leaner and couldn't push any pile for positive yards. Jason Taylor - a second rounder for one key sack fumble against Philly for a game played for pride. I loved that game, but one play for a second rounder! Not worth it. We had guys on the roster who could take up for the injured Daniels. Demtric Evans played like a stud that year in place of the oft injured Taylor. At least there was an explanation for the Champ trade. He didn't want to be here. We can criticize Joe all we want for the Champ trade, but Joe was consistent. If you don't want to be a Redskin, I don't want you. See you later Laverneus Coles! We took a huge cap hit for his trade. Glad we got Santana, but at the time, it seemed crazy to take that big of a cap hit just because a player didn't want to be a Redskin, but Joe believed in having players that wanted to be here. So, even though I am with you, that it wasn't a smart trade when you talk about "fit," in my book those trades that I mentioned that had no rhyme or reason to them, would surpass the Champ/Porits w/ second rounder as the worst trades in Skin's history because there was no reason for them at all (Taylor was not wanted by the DC) and we got NOTHING in return.

Can we trade Shamehan??? Good riddence!!

ICEMAN wrote:Wowww! My main man is released??? Which furthers my disgust for Shamehan. He is nothing short of a dictator...his glass eye wouldn't allow him too see past his own egotistical self gratifying BS! He has torn this team asunder! Not only does he embarrass our team nationally by benching (twice) an elite qb in D-MAC, but you draw out publicly a man ego spat with Fat Al....then you bench a very solid left guard for a very sorry one!!! Nothing good comes with Shamehan!!! He was fired for a very good reason in Denver...despite his Super Bowl wins. Shamehan is a freakin joke and a big serious lying one at that! He hires his son as O.C., but where is the checks and balance in this? I am fed up to NO END!!! My beloved team has me feeling not so loving these days....

Sorry just can't ignore this as most have. I don't have the ignore button on. This is almost so dumb a quote that I didn't respond, but, dude, the guy was about to make 8 million, wasn't even the best RB on the roster, hasn't completed a full season in years, and didn't want to split time. If he is signed as a starting player for the same amount, I WOULD BE SHOCKED and if that happens, I will streak the next home game. Oh and by the way, McNabb is no longer an elite QB. Doc has maybe one more year in this league, maybe a few more as a backup and is earning WAY too much. That was the right move

I can't help if you did not appreciate my sentiment nor my anger over the nuts and bolts of our football team being released...but there was nothing "Dumb" about MY OPINION! There is a thing called re-structuring in contracts...which I am most certain CP knows he'd have to do. And as far as Dockery not starting last year in place for Lichen-whatever...shows you really whose comment is "Really Dumb"

ICEMAN wrote:I can't help if you did not appreciate my sentiment nor my anger over the nuts and bolts of our football team being released...but there was nothing "Dumb" about MY OPINION! There is a thing called re-structuring in contracts...which I am most certain CP knows he'd have to do. And as far as Dockery not starting last year in place for Lichen-whatever...shows you really whose comment is "Really Dumb"

Dock? The guy who had two mediocre seasons in Buffalo and was released? Iceman, I love your sentiment, but Dock was a good, serviceable guard. He always was labeled as "having the potential" to be an all-star. Buges stuck with him because he always thought he could coach up a great guy like Dock. Did you hear Dock's interview on The FAN 106.7 in the DC area last night. He admitted that he didn't play up to speed last season. I am a Native Born Texan who is a die hard Longhorn fan and I love my Longhorns but Dock ( A Longhorn Alum) is what he is, a great guy with a huge upside that never lived up to his potential. Portis? Refused a pay cut or restructure. He believes like you that he deserves to be a feature back. Face it, Portis can no longer break the long gainers and when he gets into the open field, he appears to not know what to do anymore a la the St. Louis game. For 10 to 20 yards, I believe that Portis is as good as any back, but some of those 10-20 yarders should go to the house. Put it into prospective, not even Ladanian Tomlinson is a feature back. Most teams have gone to a two back system. Like you, I want Portis back, but he would have to take a huge pay cut to justify his last couple of years production when there are younger backs that could be our future. McNabb? Wasn't he traded by his friend and long term coach, Andy Reid? Didn't Andy bench him for one game in 2009? For that matter by Andy keeping Vick, that placed McNabb as a third teamer. That's a weak case for McNabb still being elite. Albert? Do you your history on him. The guy that started a mutiny on Blache in 2009 and was sent home from practice. Wasn'the the guy whose beloved DL coach in Tennesee (now with the Eagles) said it was 5 years of turmoil before he finally reached Albert. Albert was/is a mess crying for someone to say "no" to him. Shanny derserves criticism for how he does things - He is no Andy Reid who has a softer side in dealing with players, but then again he is no Andy Reid check out what is on Shanny's fingers as a head coach and check out what is not on Andy's. Again, Iceman, love your passion and sentiment, but highly disagree with your opinion.

Portis was NOT a scatback..he was a 1 cut back and flourished under Shanahan's ZBS in Denver.

VetSkinsFan wrote:Portis was NOT a scatback..he was a 1 cut back and flourished under Shanahan's ZBS in Denver.

scat·back  – a fast and agile running back, often small in stature, skilled at eluding tacklers.

By dictionary.com's definition of a scatback, you are absolutely right.

Red_One43 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Portis was NOT a scatback..he was a 1 cut back and flourished under Shanahan's ZBS in Denver.

scat·back  – a fast and agile running back, often small in stature, skilled at eluding tacklers.

By dictionary.com's definition of a scatback, you are absolutely right.

scat-man - an American jazz musician and singer who created a fusion of scat singing and dance music, best known for his 1994 hit "Scatman (Ski-Ba-Bop-Ba-Dop-Bop)".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Geiq0FP13uQ[url][/url]

gay4pacman wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Portis was NOT a scatback..he was a 1 cut back and flourished under Shanahan's ZBS in Denver.

scat·back  – a fast and agile running back, often small in stature, skilled at eluding tacklers.

By dictionary.com's definition of a scatback, you are absolutely right.

scat-man - an American jazz musician and singer who created a fusion of scat singing and dance music, best known for his 1994 hit "Scatman (Ski-Ba-Bop-Ba-Dop-Bop)".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Geiq0FP13uQ[url][/url]

By your video link, Portis was NOT a scatman either

skinsfan#33 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

And no Bailey wasn't going anywhere, because he was franchised.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Champ would not have showed if he had been franchised and not traded. This goes beyond football and was a personal/family issue for him.

And neither do you!

What I do know is we will never know, but every athlete that say the same thing always comes eventually shows.

Now I don't know is the whole family life impact. I had heard some rumors of infidelity on one side or the other, but that is common place in sports.

It is also common outside of sports.

Red_One43...I'm glad you do appreciate my passion...because my passion runs deep! But, I have to ask you, what did Portis ever do wrong? He is just two years removed from a 1,487 yard rushing outing. He's fresher now from two shortened seasons. I would have him play with our Skins until he retired. That's all I'm saying. As for Dock, he might not have been a Hall of Fame guard...but his worse days are far better ever than Litchensteiger could ever be!!! Now I must ask, what did McNabb ever do wrong? He played his first year here in a new system...played behind an inferior O-Line...didn't have another wr option outside of Moss...no run game! How would anybody fair?

This further proves my original point about Mike Shanahan...we need to release this maniacal, control freak! Before he causes more damages. And as far as his rings...he had good teams along with a Hall of Fame QB that earned two rings. But not surprisingly close to anything that resembled that caliber of football since Elway retired. Fact is, Shamehan, has been terrible at best!

I'm not sure that we've seen the last of CP - I would not be surprised to see him on the field in B&G again

I think he was a big help to this franchise - we've had a lot of great players and he's on that list

SkinsJock wrote:I'm not sure that we've seen the last of CP - I would not be surprised to see him on the field in B&G again

I think he was a big help to this franchise - we've had a lot of great players and he's on that list

I think you are right!

ICEMAN wrote:Red_One43...I'm glad you do appreciate my passion...because my passion runs deep! But, I have to ask you, what did Portis ever do wrong? He is just two years removed from a 1,487 yard rushing outing. He's fresher now from two shortened seasons. I would have him play with our Skins until he retired. That's all I'm saying. As for Dock, he might not have been a Hall of Fame guard...but his worse days are far better ever than Litchensteiger could ever be!!! Now I must ask, what did McNabb ever do wrong? He played his first year here in a new system...played behind an inferior O-Line...didn't have another wr option outside of Moss...no run game! How would anybody fair?

This further proves my original point about Mike Shanahan...we need to release this maniacal, control freak! Before he causes more damages. And as far as his rings...he had good teams along with a Hall of Fame QB that earned two rings. But not surprisingly close to anything that resembled that caliber of football since Elway retired. Fact is, Shamehan, has been terrible at best!

Not for 8 million dollars I don't want him to play for us! That's the point ice ...... (chomping of the teeth) man. You watch, no team in the league is going to pay him that.

I know, you know...he knows...that 8 mil is too high. But there is a thing called restructuring. He'll be back!!!

chiefhog44 wrote:

ICEMAN wrote:Red_One43...I'm glad you do appreciate my passion...because my passion runs deep! But, I have to ask you, what did Portis ever do wrong? He is just two years removed from a 1,487 yard rushing outing. He's fresher now from two shortened seasons. I would have him play with our Skins until he retired. That's all I'm saying. As for Dock, he might not have been a Hall of Fame guard...but his worse days are far better ever than Litchensteiger could ever be!!! Now I must ask, what did McNabb ever do wrong? He played his first year here in a new system...played behind an inferior O-Line...didn't have another wr option outside of Moss...no run game! How would anybody fair?

This further proves my original point about Mike Shanahan...we need to release this maniacal, control freak! Before he causes more damages. And as far as his rings...he had good teams along with a Hall of Fame QB that earned two rings. But not surprisingly close to anything that resembled that caliber of football since Elway retired. Fact is, Shamehan, has been terrible at best!

Not for 8 million dollars I don't want him to play for us! That's the point ice ...... (chomping of the teeth) man. You watch, no team in the league is going to pay him that.

I know....you know...and CP knows that 8 mil is too high. But, there is a thing called restructuring. He'll be back!

ICEMAN wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

ICEMAN wrote:Red_One43...I'm glad you do appreciate my passion...because my passion runs deep! But, I have to ask you, what did Portis ever do wrong? He is just two years removed from a 1,487 yard rushing outing. He's fresher now from two shortened seasons. I would have him play with our Skins until he retired. That's all I'm saying. As for Dock, he might not have been a Hall of Fame guard...but his worse days are far better ever than Litchensteiger could ever be!!! Now I must ask, what did McNabb ever do wrong? He played his first year here in a new system...played behind an inferior O-Line...didn't have another wr option outside of Moss...no run game! How would anybody fair?

This further proves my original point about Mike Shanahan...we need to release this maniacal, control freak! Before he causes more damages. And as far as his rings...he had good teams along with a Hall of Fame QB that earned two rings. But not surprisingly close to anything that resembled that caliber of football since Elway retired. Fact is, Shamehan, has been terrible at best!

Not for 8 million dollars I don't want him to play for us! That's the point ice ...... (chomping of the teeth) man. You watch, no team in the league is going to pay him that.

I know....you know...and CP knows that 8 mil is too high. But, there is a thing called restructuring. He'll be back!

Right but he didn't want to restructure. Whatever, my head hurts from banging it against the wall

Take an Advil...shoot, don't stop there...take the whole bottle! You'll feel a lot better.

ICEMAN wrote:Red_One43...I'm glad you do appreciate my passion...because my passion runs deep! But, I have to ask you, what did Portis ever do wrong? He is just two years removed from a 1,487 yard rushing outing. He's fresher now from two shortened seasons. I would have him play with our Skins until he retired. That's all I'm saying. As for Dock, he might not have been a Hall of Fame guard...but his worse days are far better ever than Litchensteiger could ever be!!! Now I must ask, what did McNabb ever do wrong? He played his first year here in a new system...played behind an inferior O-Line...didn't have another wr option outside of Moss...no run game! How would anybody fair?

This further proves my original point about Mike Shanahan...we need to release this maniacal, control freak! Before he causes more damages. And as far as his rings...he had good teams along with a Hall of Fame QB that earned two rings. But not surprisingly close to anything that resembled that caliber of football since Elway retired. Fact is, Shamehan, has been terrible at best!

What did Portis do wrong? Noting in my book. He took on the role of "big back" in Gibb's offense. A role he wasn't suited for, but he gave it his all. Unfortunately, he has lost more than a step. He no longer can break long runs. His open field vision seems totally gone. What did McNabb do wrong? Got himself to be in the position of odd man out in Philly. No ex Reid QB has fared well outside of Reid's system. Mark Schlereth, former Skin and friend of MCNAbb said that he studied hours of tape of McNabb this past season and he said McNabb constantly missed several reads just like Shanny said. This has nothing to do with O line or recievers. If you can't read - you can't read and REading IS Fundamental. Now if you read right and get your head handed to you, then you can blame the others. Kory improved as the year went along. Clearly Dock was better at first, but Dock had no future as a Shanny guard so they played Kory so he could get better. He chose long range thinking.

If all it takes is a Hall of Fame QB to win a Super Bowl then why didn't Dan Marino win one. Why didn't Elway win one without Shanny. C'mon Iceman, hate Shanny all you want - he IS an egomanical, control freak, but one thing you can't dispute is the fact that he is a proven winner.

Oops, he just caused more damage, he signed OJ Atogwe. Darn it, he just benched Kareem Moore.

Red_One43 wrote:

ICEMAN wrote:Red_One43...I'm glad you do appreciate my passion...because my passion runs deep! But, I have to ask you, what did Portis ever do wrong? He is just two years removed from a 1,487 yard rushing outing. He's fresher now from two shortened seasons. I would have him play with our Skins until he retired. That's all I'm saying. As for Dock, he might not have been a Hall of Fame guard...but his worse days are far better ever than Litchensteiger could ever be!!! Now I must ask, what did McNabb ever do wrong? He played his first year here in a new system...played behind an inferior O-Line...didn't have another wr option outside of Moss...no run game! How would anybody fair?

This further proves my original point about Mike Shanahan...we need to release this maniacal, control freak! Before he causes more damages. And as far as his rings...he had good teams along with a Hall of Fame QB that earned two rings. But not surprisingly close to anything that resembled that caliber of football since Elway retired. Fact is, Shamehan, has been terrible at best!

What did Portis do wrong? Noting in my book. He took on the role of "big back" in Gibb's offense. A role he wasn't suited for, but he gave it his all. Unfortunately, he has lost more than a step. He no longer can break long runs. His open field vision seems totally gone. What did McNabb do wrong? Got himself to be in the position of odd man out in Philly. No ex Reid QB has fared well outside of Reid's system. Mark Schlereth, former Skin and friend of MCNAbb said that he studied hours of tape of McNabb this past season and he said McNabb constantly missed several reads just like Shanny said. This has nothing to do with O line or recievers. If you can't read - you can't read and REading IS Fundamental. Now if you read right and get your head handed to you, then you can blame the others. Kory improved as the year went along. Clearly Dock was better at first, but Dock had no future as a Shanny guard so they played Kory so he could get better. He chose long range thinking.

If all it takes is a Hall of Fame QB to win a Super Bowl then why didn't Dan Marino win one. Why didn't Elway win one without Shanny. C'mon Iceman, hate Shanny all you want - he IS an egomanical, control freak, but one thing you can't dispute is the fact that he is a proven winner.

Oops, he just caused more damage, he signed OJ Atogwe. Darn it, he just benched Kareem Moore.

Wow!! You must really love Shamehan...well, I will step aside for now and let him break your heart...because he will...Trust me HE WILL! BUT, when he does, I won't say "I told you so"...I will only be there for you with consoling arms. Because you are my Redskin brethren...and I luv ya...but you've been warned!

If Shamehan was so great...he'd still be in Denver! Believe that!

Sad if it happens. I like Clinton Portis.

ICEMAN wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

ICEMAN wrote:Red_One43...I'm glad you do appreciate my passion...because my passion runs deep! But, I have to ask you, what did Portis ever do wrong? He is just two years removed from a 1,487 yard rushing outing. He's fresher now from two shortened seasons. I would have him play with our Skins until he retired. That's all I'm saying. As for Dock, he might not have been a Hall of Fame guard...but his worse days are far better ever than Litchensteiger could ever be!!! Now I must ask, what did McNabb ever do wrong? He played his first year here in a new system...played behind an inferior O-Line...didn't have another wr option outside of Moss...no run game! How would anybody fair?

This further proves my original point about Mike Shanahan...we need to release this maniacal, control freak! Before he causes more damages. And as far as his rings...he had good teams along with a Hall of Fame QB that earned two rings. But not surprisingly close to anything that resembled that caliber of football since Elway retired. Fact is, Shamehan, has been terrible at best!

What did Portis do wrong? Noting in my book. He took on the role of "big back" in Gibb's offense. A role he wasn't suited for, but he gave it his all. Unfortunately, he has lost more than a step. He no longer can break long runs. His open field vision seems totally gone. What did McNabb do wrong? Got himself to be in the position of odd man out in Philly. No ex Reid QB has fared well outside of Reid's system. Mark Schlereth, former Skin and friend of MCNAbb said that he studied hours of tape of McNabb this past season and he said McNabb constantly missed several reads just like Shanny said. This has nothing to do with O line or recievers. If you can't read - you can't read and REading IS Fundamental. Now if you read right and get your head handed to you, then you can blame the others. Kory improved as the year went along. Clearly Dock was better at first, but Dock had no future as a Shanny guard so they played Kory so he could get better. He chose long range thinking.

If all it takes is a Hall of Fame QB to win a Super Bowl then why didn't Dan Marino win one. Why didn't Elway win one without Shanny. C'mon Iceman, hate Shanny all you want - he IS an egomanical, control freak, but one thing you can't dispute is the fact that he is a proven winner.

Oops, he just caused more damage, he signed OJ Atogwe. Darn it, he just benched Kareem Moore.

Wow!! You must really love Shamehan...well, I will step aside for now and let him break your heart...because he will...Trust me HE WILL! BUT, when he does, I won't say "I told you so"...I will only be there for you with consoling arms. Because you are my Redskin brethren...and I luv ya...but you've been warned!

If Shamehan was so great...he'd still be in Denver! Believe that!

No hearts broken here. I am a Skins fan through the thick and the thin. I know my Skins history 25 years without a play-off appearance before George Allen. Great runs with Allen and Gibbs. I pull for the Skins whether it be Bill McPeak coaching or Jim Zorn coaching. I don't get into whether I like a Redskin coach or not. When Shanny coached Denver, I pulled for him to lose all the time except when they played Dallas. Now, that he is a Redskins coach, I like him, period because he is a Redskins coach. He has pledged to build us not just a winner, but a foundation for winning for future to come. Unlike you, I see the beginnings of that. I saw a team of misfits, unwanteds and guys who weren't even on the roster when the season started beat a play-off contending team on its home field. I saw the same group of guys play the best game against the Giants since beating them in 2007. Shanahan pledges to get 53 guys who have his work ethic. That, right there, is the formula for success. You choose to be negative on what basis? Whether you like Shananan or not, he produced a winner in Denver and continued to win with Jake Plummer. Yes, he made glaring errors as a Denver's coach and he has made some already, here, but those errors didn't stop him from producing a winner in Denver. Do you know why? Because he is a darn good coach. You asked why did he got fired in Denver. It was well publicized why he was fired in Denver.
Unlike you, I will choose to think postive, because I always win. The victory is not in the game. It is that I am a Redskin fan - through the thick and the thin!

Red_One43 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Portis was NOT a scatback..he was a 1 cut back and flourished under Shanahan's ZBS in Denver.

scat·back  – a fast and agile running back, often small in stature, skilled at eluding tacklers.

By dictionary.com's definition of a scatback, you are absolutely right.

I don't know how you consider Emmitt Smith & Barry Sanders are the same type of RB, but if you do, I guess Portis can be a scatback.

There is a great diversity in those who play at the running back position. At one extreme are smaller, faster players. These fast, agile, and elusive running backs are often called "scat backs" because their low center of gravity and maneuverability allow them to dodge tacklers. Prototypical "scat backs" would be Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith.

Red_One43 wrote:

ICEMAN wrote:

Red_One43 wrote: What did Portis do wrong? Noting in my book. He took on the role of "big back" in Gibb's offense. A role he wasn't suited for, but he gave it his all. Unfortunately, he has lost more than a step. He no longer can break long runs. His open field vision seems totally gone. What did McNabb do wrong? Got himself to be in the position of odd man out in Philly. No ex Reid QB has fared well outside of Reid's system. Mark Schlereth, former Skin and friend of MCNAbb said that he studied hours of tape of McNabb this past season and he said McNabb constantly missed several reads just like Shanny said. This has nothing to do with O line or recievers. If you can't read - you can't read and REading IS Fundamental. Now if you read right and get your head handed to you, then you can blame the others. Kory improved as the year went along. Clearly Dock was better at first, but Dock had no future as a Shanny guard so they played Kory so he could get better. He chose long range thinking.

If all it takes is a Hall of Fame QB to win a Super Bowl then why didn't Dan Marino win one. Why didn't Elway win one without Shanny. C'mon Iceman, hate Shanny all you want - he IS an egomanical, control freak, but one thing you can't dispute is the fact that he is a proven winner.

Oops, he just caused more damage, he signed OJ Atogwe. Darn it, he just benched Kareem Moore.

Wow!! You must really love Shamehan...well, I will step aside for now and let him break your heart...because he will...Trust me HE WILL! BUT, when he does, I won't say "I told you so"...I will only be there for you with consoling arms. Because you are my Redskin brethren...and I luv ya...but you've been warned!

If Shamehan was so great...he'd still be in Denver! Believe that!

No hearts broken here. I am a Skins fan through the thick and the thin. I know my Skins history 25 years without a play-off appearance before George Allen. Great runs with Allen and Gibbs. I pull for the Skins whether it be Bill McPeak coaching or Jim Zorn coaching. I don't get into whether I like a Redskin coach or not. When Shanny coached Denver, I pulled for him to lose all the time except when they played Dallas. Now, that he is a Redskins coach, I like him, period because he is a Redskins coach. He has pledged to build us not just a winner, but a foundation for winning for future to come. Unlike you, I see the beginnings of that. I saw a team of misfits, unwanteds and guys who weren't even on the roster when the season started beat a play-off contending team on its home field. I saw the same group of guys play the best game against the Giants since beating them in 2007. Shanahan pledges to get 53 guys who have his work ethic. That, right there, is the formula for success. You choose to be negative on what basis? Whether you like Shananan or not, he produced a winner in Denver and continued to win with Jake Plummer. Yes, he made glaring errors as a Denver's coach and he has made some already, here, but those errors didn't stop him from producing a winner in Denver. Do you know why? Because he is a darn good coach. You asked why did he got fired in Denver. It was well publicized why he was fired in Denver.
Unlike you, I will choose to think postive, because I always win. The victory is not in the game. It is that I am a Redskin fan - through the thick and the thin!

Huh?

Red_One43 wrote:

ICEMAN wrote:

Red_One43 wrote: What did Portis do wrong? Noting in my book. He took on the role of "big back" in Gibb's offense. A role he wasn't suited for, but he gave it his all. Unfortunately, he has lost more than a step. He no longer can break long runs. His open field vision seems totally gone. What did McNabb do wrong? Got himself to be in the position of odd man out in Philly. No ex Reid QB has fared well outside of Reid's system. Mark Schlereth, former Skin and friend of MCNAbb said that he studied hours of tape of McNabb this past season and he said McNabb constantly missed several reads just like Shanny said. This has nothing to do with O line or recievers. If you can't read - you can't read and REading IS Fundamental. Now if you read right and get your head handed to you, then you can blame the others. Kory improved as the year went along. Clearly Dock was better at first, but Dock had no future as a Shanny guard so they played Kory so he could get better. He chose long range thinking.

If all it takes is a Hall of Fame QB to win a Super Bowl then why didn't Dan Marino win one. Why didn't Elway win one without Shanny. C'mon Iceman, hate Shanny all you want - he IS an egomanical, control freak, but one thing you can't dispute is the fact that he is a proven winner.

Oops, he just caused more damage, he signed OJ Atogwe. Darn it, he just benched Kareem Moore.

Wow!! You must really love Shamehan...well, I will step aside for now and let him break your heart...because he will...Trust me HE WILL! BUT, when he does, I won't say "I told you so"...I will only be there for you with consoling arms. Because you are my Redskin brethren...and I luv ya...but you've been warned!

If Shamehan was so great...he'd still be in Denver! Believe that!

No hearts broken here. I am a Skins fan through the thick and the thin. I know my Skins history 25 years without a play-off appearance before George Allen. Great runs with Allen and Gibbs. I pull for the Skins whether it be Bill McPeak coaching or Jim Zorn coaching. I don't get into whether I like a Redskin coach or not. When Shanny coached Denver, I pulled for him to lose all the time except when they played Dallas. Now, that he is a Redskins coach, I like him, period because he is a Redskins coach. He has pledged to build us not just a winner, but a foundation for winning for future to come. Unlike you, I see the beginnings of that. I saw a team of misfits, unwanteds and guys who weren't even on the roster when the season started beat a play-off contending team on its home field. I saw the same group of guys play the best game against the Giants since beating them in 2007. Shanahan pledges to get 53 guys who have his work ethic. That, right there, is the formula for success. You choose to be negative on what basis? Whether you like Shananan or not, he produced a winner in Denver and continued to win with Jake Plummer. Yes, he made glaring errors as a Denver's coach and he has made some already, here, but those errors didn't stop him from producing a winner in Denver. Do you know why? Because he is a darn good coach. You asked why did he got fired in Denver. It was well publicized why he was fired in Denver.
Unlike you, I will choose to think postive, because I always win. The victory is not in the game. It is that I am a Redskin fan - through the thick and the thin!

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