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I was trying to ignore this thread, but that was just too much. Comeon Fleetus...

I think Mallett is falling down the board, not because of drinking, but A) because of rumors of cocaine use along with the drinking. He did cocaine? Really? You think some guy shooting up cocaine and other hard drugs could play for Bobby Petrino at the level he did? It's a stupid rumor. Hell, the guy probably smoked weed, but lots of athletes do. Remember he never failed a drug test. You can't be a crackhead and run the Bobby Petrino offense. It's a deep, complex, pro style offense where the QB is relied on to run the offense. Heck, Mallett was one of extremely few if not the only college QB in the nation who was completely alone making audibles at the LOS. Every other school ran "check with me" stuff. Not Arkansas. Apparently crackheads can run our offense.

More importantly, B) he choked against Alabama O RLY? Our O-Line got decimated that day and we had zero run game. They were bringing the house all day. Name me a QB who against the #1 team in the nation didn't scream up with the defense bringing all the heat they could every play while the run game tapped out. Comeon bud! Name me the perfect QB! Name me the QB who never had a bad game! Comeon! Do it!

and didn't look very decisive against Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl. Yeah, you didn't watch that game. You missed our WRs, most specifically Joe Adams, crap themselves. Joe Adams had decided to go pro before that game. He is back for a reason. I guess you missed the first play where Mallett threw a perfect pass that should have been a touchdown but was dropped. Our WRs dropped 3 or 4 sure TDs that day and I'm not even counting 50/50 passes. Also, the bad character crackhead lead a comeback in the second half that he almost finished (there would have been no interception if, again, our guys caught passes.). Also, you must have missed the undecisive, bad leader Ryan Mallett pull the whole team together on the sideline before the 4th quarter and give them a pep talk.

His draft stock is tied mostly to his arm strength. And maybe the fact he took a team to a Sugar Bowl two years after we went 5-7. Or maybe his 7,496 yards thrown past couple years. Maybe it was the 62 TDs in that time period. It could have been his numerous 50 yard bombs to wideouts on the run. Maybe the 350 yard "bad days" of passing. It could have been big cajone throws like the 39 yard touchdown pass on 4th and short against LSU. But nah, you're right. 90% of his draft stock is his arm strength.

He is not very mobile. He has the mobility of a Peyton Manning. He won't be running. Yet Arkansas shredded defenses on bootlegs by Mallett. He is mobile enough to run a pro style offense.

and his accuracy is not stellar. He's not the most accurate guy ever but you don't draft a guy like Ryan Mallett to run the West Coast offense. You bring him in to throw bombs and lead an explosive offense. Having said that, don't act like he is Jamarcus Russell. His accuracy has improved as he has gotten older. As a freshman at Michigan, 43.3%. As a sophomore at Arkansas, 55.8%. As a junior, 64.7%. That is pretty darn good accuracy for an offense where plenty of throws are deep bombs that fall incomplete. He has shown a definite trend of improvement.

Add the character concerns to his 2nd round grade and you get a 3rd round QB. He was the undisputed leader of a team that went to the BCS Bowl and he dealt with a coach who rode his butt harder than any other coach/QB combination in the nation. Yeah, the guy is cocky. He also doesn't kiss butt like Cam Newton. I don't care how he deals with the media if his teammates follow him. Make no doubt Arkansas players thought he was cocky, but they also knew when he put the helmet on that it was time for business and he gave them a dang good chance to win football games.

I am with Dan Patrick on this one. There has been a vicious smear campaign against Ryan Mallett and I don't know why. The guy isn't perfect but he is a darn good QB and he'll make 31 teams look extremely dumb for passing on him.

Smithian wrote:I was trying to ignore this thread, but that was just too much. Comeon Fleetus...

I think Mallett is falling down the board, not because of drinking, but A) because of rumors of cocaine use along with the drinking. He did cocaine? Really? You think some guy shooting up cocaine and other hard drugs could play for Bobby Petrino at the level he did? It's a stupid rumor. Hell, the guy probably smoked weed, but lots of athletes do. Remember he never failed a drug test. You can't be a crackhead and run the Bobby Petrino offense. It's a deep, complex, pro style offense where the QB is relied on to run the offense. Heck, Mallett was one of extremely few if not the only college QB in the nation who was completely alone making audibles at the LOS. Every other school ran "check with me" stuff. Not Arkansas. Apparently crackheads can run our offense.

More importantly, B) he choked against Alabama O RLY? Our O-Line got decimated that day and we had zero run game. They were bringing the house all day. Name me a QB who against the #1 team in the nation didn't scream up with the defense bringing all the heat they could every play while the run game tapped out. Comeon bud! Name me the perfect QB! Name me the QB who never had a bad game! Comeon! Do it!

and didn't look very decisive against Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl. Yeah, you didn't watch that game. You missed our WRs, most specifically Joe Adams, crap themselves. Joe Adams had decided to go pro before that game. He is back for a reason. I guess you missed the first play where Mallett threw a perfect pass that should have been a touchdown but was dropped. Our WRs dropped 3 or 4 sure TDs that day and I'm not even counting 50/50 passes. Also, the bad character crackhead lead a comeback in the second half that he almost finished (there would have been no interception if, again, our guys caught passes.). Also, you must have missed the undecisive, bad leader Ryan Mallett pull the whole team together on the sideline before the 4th quarter and give them a pep talk.

His draft stock is tied mostly to his arm strength. And maybe the fact he took a team to a Sugar Bowl two years after we went 5-7. Or maybe his 7,496 yards thrown past couple years. Maybe it was the 62 TDs in that time period. It could have been his numerous 50 yard bombs to wideouts on the run. Maybe the 350 yard "bad days" of passing. It could have been big cajone throws like the 39 yard touchdown pass on 4th and short against LSU. But nah, you're right. 90% of his draft stock is his arm strength.

He is not very mobile. He has the mobility of a Peyton Manning. He won't be running. Yet Arkansas shredded defenses on bootlegs by Mallett. He is mobile enough to run a pro style offense.

and his accuracy is not stellar. He's not the most accurate guy ever but you don't draft a guy like Ryan Mallett to run the West Coast offense. You bring him in to throw bombs and lead an explosive offense. Having said that, don't act like he is Jamarcus Russell. His accuracy has improved as he has gotten older. As a freshman at Michigan, 43.3%. As a sophomore at Arkansas, 55.8%. As a junior, 64.7%. That is pretty darn good accuracy for an offense where plenty of throws are deep bombs that fall incomplete. He has shown a definite trend of improvement.

Add the character concerns to his 2nd round grade and you get a 3rd round QB. He was the undisputed leader of a team that went to the BCS Bowl and he dealt with a coach who rode his butt harder than any other coach/QB combination in the nation. Yeah, the guy is cocky. He also doesn't kiss butt like Cam Newton. I don't care how he deals with the media if his teammates follow him. Make no doubt Arkansas players thought he was cocky, but they also knew when he put the helmet on that it was time for business and he gave them a dang good chance to win football games.

I am with Dan Patrick on this one. There has been a vicious smear campaign against Ryan Mallett and I don't know why. The guy isn't perfect but he is a darn good QB and he'll make 31 teams look extremely dumb for passing on him.

I'm thinking you like this guy

Smithian wrote:I was trying to ignore this thread, but that was just too much. Comeon Fleetus...

I think Mallett is falling down the board, not because of drinking, but A) because of rumors of cocaine use along with the drinking. He did cocaine? Really? You think some guy shooting up cocaine and other hard drugs could play for Bobby Petrino at the level he did? It's a stupid rumor. Hell, the guy probably smoked weed, but lots of athletes do. Remember he never failed a drug test. You can't be a crackhead and run the Bobby Petrino offense. It's a deep, complex, pro style offense where the QB is relied on to run the offense. Heck, Mallett was one of extremely few if not the only college QB in the nation who was completely alone making audibles at the LOS. Every other school ran "check with me" stuff. Not Arkansas. Apparently crackheads can run our offense.

More importantly, B) he choked against Alabama O RLY? Our O-Line got decimated that day and we had zero run game. They were bringing the house all day. Name me a QB who against the #1 team in the nation didn't scream up with the defense bringing all the heat they could every play while the run game tapped out. Comeon bud! Name me the perfect QB! Name me the QB who never had a bad game! Comeon! Do it!

and didn't look very decisive against Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl. Yeah, you didn't watch that game. You missed our WRs, most specifically Joe Adams, crap themselves. Joe Adams had decided to go pro before that game. He is back for a reason. I guess you missed the first play where Mallett threw a perfect pass that should have been a touchdown but was dropped. Our WRs dropped 3 or 4 sure TDs that day and I'm not even counting 50/50 passes. Also, the bad character crackhead lead a comeback in the second half that he almost finished (there would have been no interception if, again, our guys caught passes.). Also, you must have missed the undecisive, bad leader Ryan Mallett pull the whole team together on the sideline before the 4th quarter and give them a pep talk.

His draft stock is tied mostly to his arm strength. And maybe the fact he took a team to a Sugar Bowl two years after we went 5-7. Or maybe his 7,496 yards thrown past couple years. Maybe it was the 62 TDs in that time period. It could have been his numerous 50 yard bombs to wideouts on the run. Maybe the 350 yard "bad days" of passing. It could have been big cajone throws like the 39 yard touchdown pass on 4th and short against LSU. But nah, you're right. 90% of his draft stock is his arm strength.

He is not very mobile. He has the mobility of a Peyton Manning. He won't be running. Yet Arkansas shredded defenses on bootlegs by Mallett. He is mobile enough to run a pro style offense.

and his accuracy is not stellar. He's not the most accurate guy ever but you don't draft a guy like Ryan Mallett to run the West Coast offense. You bring him in to throw bombs and lead an explosive offense. Having said that, don't act like he is Jamarcus Russell. His accuracy has improved as he has gotten older. As a freshman at Michigan, 43.3%. As a sophomore at Arkansas, 55.8%. As a junior, 64.7%. That is pretty darn good accuracy for an offense where plenty of throws are deep bombs that fall incomplete. He has shown a definite trend of improvement.

Add the character concerns to his 2nd round grade and you get a 3rd round QB. He was the undisputed leader of a team that went to the BCS Bowl and he dealt with a coach who rode his butt harder than any other coach/QB combination in the nation. Yeah, the guy is cocky. He also doesn't kiss butt like Cam Newton. I don't care how he deals with the media if his teammates follow him. Make no doubt Arkansas players thought he was cocky, but they also knew when he put the helmet on that it was time for business and he gave them a dang good chance to win football games.

I am with Dan Patrick on this one. There has been a vicious smear campaign against Ryan Mallett and I don't know why. The guy isn't perfect but he is a darn good QB and he'll make 31 teams look extremely dumb for passing on him.

Owned

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Smithian wrote:I was trying to ignore this thread, but that was just too much. Comeon Fleetus...

I think Mallett is falling down the board, not because of drinking, but A) because of rumors of cocaine use along with the drinking. He did cocaine? Really? You think some guy shooting up cocaine and other hard drugs could play for Bobby Petrino at the level he did? It's a stupid rumor. Hell, the guy probably smoked weed, but lots of athletes do. Remember he never failed a drug test. You can't be a crackhead and run the Bobby Petrino offense. It's a deep, complex, pro style offense where the QB is relied on to run the offense. Heck, Mallett was one of extremely few if not the only college QB in the nation who was completely alone making audibles at the LOS. Every other school ran "check with me" stuff. Not Arkansas. Apparently crackheads can run our offense.

More importantly, B) he choked against Alabama O RLY? Our O-Line got decimated that day and we had zero run game. They were bringing the house all day. Name me a QB who against the #1 team in the nation didn't scream up with the defense bringing all the heat they could every play while the run game tapped out. Comeon bud! Name me the perfect QB! Name me the QB who never had a bad game! Comeon! Do it!

and didn't look very decisive against Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl. Yeah, you didn't watch that game. You missed our WRs, most specifically Joe Adams, crap themselves. Joe Adams had decided to go pro before that game. He is back for a reason. I guess you missed the first play where Mallett threw a perfect pass that should have been a touchdown but was dropped. Our WRs dropped 3 or 4 sure TDs that day and I'm not even counting 50/50 passes. Also, the bad character crackhead lead a comeback in the second half that he almost finished (there would have been no interception if, again, our guys caught passes.). Also, you must have missed the undecisive, bad leader Ryan Mallett pull the whole team together on the sideline before the 4th quarter and give them a pep talk.

His draft stock is tied mostly to his arm strength. And maybe the fact he took a team to a Sugar Bowl two years after we went 5-7. Or maybe his 7,496 yards thrown past couple years. Maybe it was the 62 TDs in that time period. It could have been his numerous 50 yard bombs to wideouts on the run. Maybe the 350 yard "bad days" of passing. It could have been big cajone throws like the 39 yard touchdown pass on 4th and short against LSU. But nah, you're right. 90% of his draft stock is his arm strength.

He is not very mobile. He has the mobility of a Peyton Manning. He won't be running. Yet Arkansas shredded defenses on bootlegs by Mallett. He is mobile enough to run a pro style offense.

and his accuracy is not stellar. He's not the most accurate guy ever but you don't draft a guy like Ryan Mallett to run the West Coast offense. You bring him in to throw bombs and lead an explosive offense. Having said that, don't act like he is Jamarcus Russell. His accuracy has improved as he has gotten older. As a freshman at Michigan, 43.3%. As a sophomore at Arkansas, 55.8%. As a junior, 64.7%. That is pretty darn good accuracy for an offense where plenty of throws are deep bombs that fall incomplete. He has shown a definite trend of improvement.

Add the character concerns to his 2nd round grade and you get a 3rd round QB. He was the undisputed leader of a team that went to the BCS Bowl and he dealt with a coach who rode his butt harder than any other coach/QB combination in the nation. Yeah, the guy is cocky. He also doesn't kiss butt like Cam Newton. I don't care how he deals with the media if his teammates follow him. Make no doubt Arkansas players thought he was cocky, but they also knew when he put the helmet on that it was time for business and he gave them a dang good chance to win football games.

I am with Dan Patrick on this one. There has been a vicious smear campaign against Ryan Mallett and I don't know why. The guy isn't perfect but he is a darn good QB and he'll make 31 teams look extremely dumb for passing on him.

Owned

Yeah but Shanny doesn't like him.....

He wasn't brought in for a visit....

Didn't hold any private workouts....
No dinners....
No public interest what so ever....

That just how he went about selecting Jay C....

What was I posting about

and at #53 Mallett is still available...

Sensitive Nellie Smithian, sorry I spoke the truth too harshly. Obviously you have some man-love for Mallett. I watched both games completely and no he did not play exceptionally well in either. Make whatever excuses you want for him but his two biggest games were not his best.

Still, he's a decent QB. Just not the blue chip that some made him out to be. Nothing wrong with that. If he lands with the right team he could develop into a great player. Who thought Tom Brady would develop when they drafted him in the 6th round? Mallett will go where he deserves to go, late 2nd-3rd round where he will have plenty opportunity to show what he can do.

fleetus wrote:and at #53 Mallett is still available...

Sensitive Nellie Smithian, sorry I spoke the truth too harshly. Obviously you have some man-love for Mallett. I watched both games completely and no he did not play exceptionally well in either. Make whatever excuses you want for him but his two biggest games were not his best.

Still, he's a decent QB. Just not the blue chip that some made him out to be. Nothing wrong with that. If he lands with the right team he could develop into a great player. Who thought Tom Brady would develop when they drafted him in the 6th round? Mallett will go where he deserves to go, late 2nd-3rd round where he will have plenty opportunity to show what he can do.

You're ignorant about Mallett, and you will eat your words.

Who would have guessed, the Pats take him.

Now when Brady gets hurt he'll win, then later get traded for multiple draft picks. Likely 1st and 2nd rounders.

The Pats drafted him to trade him.

Ok, we went through day one and didn't get a QB. Who is the future at the position?

Smithian wrote:The Pats drafted him to trade him.

Ok, we went through day one and didn't get a QB. Who is the future at the position?

We went through day 1 and day 2, have been on the clock like 8 times and still picked no QB. With the option, we didn't draft Gabbert, Ponder, Dalton, Kaepernick, Mallet, etc.

I think it's obvious the intention by now. Grossman is the guy, maybe with Devlin or McElroy in 3rd spot behind Beck.

The only thing I take from the QBs in this draft is that there were no sure fire franchise QBs out there - Newton was selected by Carolina but I think that most everyone thought Gabbert was the better QB - both are not certain to be great QBs

We didn't pick up a QB mainly because there was nobody there that really excited these guys and they started trading down and adding draft picks and we now have 10 more picks to go


The QB situation is VERY important but you have to give this FO credit for trying to address a lot of needs with this draft and we still should see some free agents added here as well

right now the QB question remains with Beck signed and Grossman as a possibility - McNabb is surely gone ....

funbuncher wrote:

fleetus wrote:and at #53 Mallett is still available...

Sensitive Nellie Smithian, sorry I spoke the truth too harshly. Obviously you have some man-love for Mallett. I watched both games completely and no he did not play exceptionally well in either. Make whatever excuses you want for him but his two biggest games were not his best.

Still, he's a decent QB. Just not the blue chip that some made him out to be. Nothing wrong with that. If he lands with the right team he could develop into a great player. Who thought Tom Brady would develop when they drafted him in the 6th round? Mallett will go where he deserves to go, late 2nd-3rd round where he will have plenty opportunity to show what he can do.

You're ignorant about Mallett, and you will eat your words.

I'm not ignorant about Mallett. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge or awareness. I may be wrong about Mallett, sure. But not because I was wrong about his draft value. He got drafted at the end of the third round. Right where I told you he would go. I was simply pointing out that the ESPN/NFL network analyst consensus was that Mallett was a 1st round talent. 32 NFL teams just confirmed he is not.

He was saved from being a 4TH ROUND PICK by the Pats. It couldn't be a better situation for him. If he had been drafted by Cincy, Oakland, Cleveland or similar sucky team, his career would have derailed. I hope he gets three solid years behind Brady before starting or being traded.

SkinsJock wrote:right now the QB question remains with Beck signed and Grossman as a possibility - McNabb is surely gone ....

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Oh, I'm not sure about it - I would be very surprised that he will still be here if one of these other franchises offers something significant for his services - and I think they will

with this FO PLUS the Mike & Kyle deal, NOTHING would surprise me about what happens to the Washington Redskins' QBs


I still think that the starting QB for 2011 is not here yet AND we need to find the future great QB ASAP

thankfully they did not try and make do with any of the QBs that were in this draft class

I say let's go with Rex Grossman for now.

Grossman's fine but I'm hoping they have someone that can be better

I loved all the trading down but felt we didn't do enough damage with the picking.

Every time someone else picked I held my breath hoping Mallet's name would not be said.

It was the worst when the Pats were on the clock. It occured to me Mallet is very Brady-esque ... tall, big arm, not terribly mobile, smart, accurate.

We finally got too cute and passed on him for the sake of a very late pick. We should have done more damage in rounds 2, 3, and 4. Then the Pats took Mallet. I wanted to puke.

Would have preferred Cam Jordan to Kerrigsan.

DarthMonk

Got it, fleet. Just adding some (interesting?) info. Your point about modern day athletes and QBs is accurate for sure.

I agree with funbuncher that many will look dumb.

DarthMonk

fleetus wrote:Darth, whatever, doesn't change my point at all. QB's are held to a higher standard. And modern day players are scrutinized much more than in Riggins day.

I think Mallett is falling down the board, not because of drinking, but A) because of rumors of cocaine use along with the drinking. More importantly, B) he choked against Alabama and didn't look very decisive against Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl. His draft stock is tied mostly to his arm strength. He is not very mobile. and his accuracy is not stellar. Add the character concerns to his 2nd round grade and you get a 3rd round QB.

I wouldn't mind it if the Skins draft him, I just hope they don't waste one of their 2nd rounders on him. If they trade down from one of the 2nd round picks, then maybe he would be a good pick in the late 2nd, or 3rd round.

fleetus wrote:

funbuncher wrote:

fleetus wrote:and at #53 Mallett is still available...

Sensitive Nellie Smithian, sorry I spoke the truth too harshly. Obviously you have some man-love for Mallett. I watched both games completely and no he did not play exceptionally well in either. Make whatever excuses you want for him but his two biggest games were not his best.

Still, he's a decent QB. Just not the blue chip that some made him out to be. Nothing wrong with that. If he lands with the right team he could develop into a great player. Who thought Tom Brady would develop when they drafted him in the 6th round? Mallett will go where he deserves to go, late 2nd-3rd round where he will have plenty opportunity to show what he can do.

You're ignorant about Mallett, and you will eat your words.

I'm not ignorant about Mallett. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge or awareness. I may be wrong about Mallett, sure. But not because I was wrong about his draft value. He got drafted at the end of the third round. Right where I told you he would go. I was simply pointing out that the ESPN/NFL network analyst consensus was that Mallett was a 1st round talent. 32 NFL teams just confirmed he is not.

He was saved from being a 4TH ROUND PICK by the Pats. It couldn't be a better situation for him. If he had been drafted by Cincy, Oakland, Cleveland or similar sucky team, his career would have derailed. I hope he gets three solid years behind Brady before starting or being traded.

I know the definition of ignorant. That's why I chose it for you. Your analysis of him in previous posts makes it quite obvious that you did not spend any of your fall Saturday's actually watching him execute Petrino's offense. Belichick said that Mallet was the highest rated QB on their board. He said they took him even though they didnt need a QB because the value was too good to pass up, (though according to you he should have been a 4th round pick).

Considering our "perceived" need at QB, the fact that we didn't take him leads me to believe that his lack of mobility was a dealbreaker for Shanahan. If we learned anything last year, it was that he was determined to make the personnel fit his scheme, and not the other way around. If it meant that Derrick Dockery, Andre Carter and Albert Haynesworth become expensive bench weights, then so be it. If it means that we (a QB needy team) pass on Mallett 4 times while Belichick (who has Brady) scoops him up as a value pick, then so be that. Hey it's MS's prerogative to build the team as he pleases. Just hope this works out better than his first signature QB move.

I'm just sick of watching the Pats do this. I predicted this at the top of page 3 of this thread.

Bill B is a great HC - he's also a huge liar and is not a really well respected person - great coach though

although it's a little off topic - NOTHING can go bad enough for Petrino in my book - that guy is scum

DarthMonk wrote:I loved all the trading down but felt we didn't do enough damage with the picking.

Every time someone else picked I held my breath hoping Mallet's name would not be said.

It was the worst when the Pats were on the clock. It occured to me Mallet is very Brady-esque ... tall, big arm, not terribly mobile, smart, accurate.

We finally got too cute and passed on him for the sake of a very late pick. We should have done more damage in rounds 2, 3, and 4. Then the Pats took Mallet. I wanted to puke.

Would have preferred Cam Jordan to Kerrigsan.

DarthMonk

mallett might have attributes as a QB that liken him to Brady but they seem like completely different dudes off the field. its like GQ and Vibe.