Yeah, but a winning arse. Firing him was The Danny's biggest mistake to date, IMO.
Maybe. I think there's a reason he never won the big one. You can micromanage people to be good. You can't micromanage them to be great. You have to find the right people, set them up to succeed, and then trust them. Marty's refusal to even explain what he was doing or why was a serious cap on how far he would ever take a team.
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Yeah, but a winning arse. Firing him was The Danny's biggest mistake to date, IMO.
Maybe. I think there's a reason he never won the big one. You can micromanage people to be good. You can't micromanage them to be great. You have to find the right people, set them up to succeed, and then trust them. Marty's refusal to even explain what he was doing or why was a serious cap on how far he would ever take a team.
He didn't micromanage Earnest Byner into fumbling at the goal line. He turned no less than three different franchises completely around (and he was on his way with the Skins too), but he had some bad luck in big games. I don't think that had anything to do with his coaching (style or ability). His players played their hearts out for him.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
Yeah, but a winning arse. Firing him was The Danny's biggest mistake to date, IMO.
I agree. To this day that stands out as the clearest boneheaded move.
As career management, the specific thing that bothered me the most were the veterans saying he wasn't explaining what he wanted, he was just saying what to do. That's not how you get buy in from your organization. Didn't that bother you? I support Gibbs and Shannahan, both disciplinarians so I'm clearly not on the side of those who advocate players are there to sit there until management convinces them to care and work. But Marty was beyond that. He also then went to San Diego, had some success and got fired there as well anyway. I think he has an issue that got worse when he left KC, not better.
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Yeah, but a winning arse. Firing him was The Danny's biggest mistake to date, IMO.
I agree. To this day that stands out as the clearest boneheaded move.
As career management, the specific thing that bothered me the most were the veterans saying he wasn't explaining what he wanted, he was just saying what to do. That's not how you get buy in from your organization. Didn't that bother you? I support Gibbs and Shannahan, both disciplinarians so I'm clearly not on the side of those who advocate players are there to sit there until management convinces them to care and work. But Marty was beyond that. He also then went to San Diego, had some success and got fired there as well anyway. I think he has an issue that got worse when he left KC, not better.
The Danny fired him because he wanted back in on team decisions, and wanted to light up the scoreboard, rather than just play solid football and win games. I'm not close enough to the Chargers to know about why they replaced Marty there. But I do know that his players loved him everywhere he has coached, and after they bought in, their teams turned around and began winning. Maybe Marty should have spent more time explaining his motivations to the players, but after they saw the results, there was never a problem with his methods. Yes, Darryl took offense early on, that Marty wanted him to play a certain way, but at the end of the season, I'm sure he was on board and had forgotten all about those growing pains.
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Deadskins wrote:The Danny fired him because he wanted back in on team decisions, and wanted to light up the scoreboard, rather than just play solid football and win games. I'm not close enough to the Chargers to know about why they replaced Marty there. But I do know that his players loved him everywhere he has coached, and after they bought in, their teams turned around and began winning. Maybe Marty should have spent more time explaining his motivations to the players, but after they saw the results, there was never a problem with his methods. Yes, Darryl took offense early on, that Marty wanted him to play a certain way, but at the end of the season, I'm sure he was on board and had forgotten all about those growing pains.
I'm not sure you "know" why Danny fired him, this is your speculation. But I wasn't commenting on why Danny fired him, I was commenting on why I wanted him fired.
As for the players, I don't remember the Skins professing any sort of love for him, and it was their comments that concerned me. I'm not saying either I saw they hated him. I'm just saying that in all my experience, you don't manage successfully that way. Maybe he learned from that in SD, maybe not. But he was improving the team and they fired him, you can't dismiss that.
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Deadskins wrote:The Danny fired him because he wanted back in on team decisions, and wanted to light up the scoreboard, rather than just play solid football and win games. I'm not close enough to the Chargers to know about why they replaced Marty there. But I do know that his players loved him everywhere he has coached, and after they bought in, their teams turned around and began winning. Maybe Marty should have spent more time explaining his motivations to the players, but after they saw the results, there was never a problem with his methods. Yes, Darryl took offense early on, that Marty wanted him to play a certain way, but at the end of the season, I'm sure he was on board and had forgotten all about those growing pains.
I'm not sure you "know" why Danny fired him, this is your speculation. But I wasn't commenting on why Danny fired him, I was commenting on why I wanted him fired.
As for the players, I don't remember the Skins professing any sort of love for him, and it was their comments that concerned me. I'm not saying either I saw they hated him. I'm just saying that in all my experience, you don't manage successfully that way. Maybe he learned from that in SD, maybe not. But he was improving the team and they fired him, you can't dismiss that.
Well then, we have different recollections of his time here. I remember LaVar in particular voicing his complete and total support for Marty after the Carolina game where he returned an INT for the game winning TD to make us 1-5. As the season went on and we climbed back to 5-5 the rest of the team was also saying that they had gotten behind Martyball as well.
As for why The Danny fired him, it may be speculation, but that's what I believe, and you can't offer any evidence to the contrary to make me think otherwise. Every move he has made before and since jibes with my theory.
Like I said, I know nothing about the Chargers management. Maybe they just wanted Norv because they thought he was such a hot commodity they couldn't pass him up. Maybe they thought Norv was the best person to coach their new young QB, and couldn't get him for less than the HC position. If there is a member here that might shed some light on why the Chargers fired Marty, I would love for them to enlighten me. I certainly didn't understand the decision at the time (and still don't). Norv certainly hasn't exceeded anything Marty did with them, and if anything has dropped them down a bit.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
I also remember the Skins players rallying behind Schotty. Most of the complaints, as I recall, were in training camp when he first came in. He was telling vets like Darrell Green to play differently, and things like that.
I can only guess now, but I'd bet that those compliants were rather magnified by the Post during our 0-5 start . . .
Irn-Bru wrote:I also remember the Skins players rallying behind Schotty. Most of the complaints, as I recall, were in training camp when he first came in. He was telling vets like Darrell Green to play differently, and things like that.
I can only guess now, but I'd bet that those compliants were rather magnified by the Post during our 0-5 start . . .
The Post overreact? Good argument...
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