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These are some quotes from Haslett after Monday's loss....

"No, this is not what I would have expected," Haslett said Thursday after practice at Redskins Park. "But there is a learning curve. It takes some time to learn things. And we're playing ... [Eagles quarterback] Michael [Vick] was on fire the other day. It was a good offense.

"They caught us off guard and things started snowballing. There is a learning curve. It changes every week. It's something you've got to go through. When you do make a switch from one to another, without really adding a lot of pieces, it's gonna take a little bit of time. But we're not happy with where we're at right now."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/3-4-defense/jim-haslett-says-redskins-last.html#more




They caught us off guard?????!!!!!! We had an extra week to practice and study the Eagles, what could they have done that would've caught you off guard???? This is way beyond a stupid statement! Haslett needs to go.......also....JLC says:

NFL Network's Jason La Canfora suggests that former Cowboys head coach Wade Phillips' next landing spot could be Washington.

The Redskins' "defense" is currently coordinated by Jim Haslett, whose unit ranks dead last in yards allowed per game, 31st against the pass, and 25th against the run. La Canfora cites Phillips' "strong ties" to Mike Shahanan, as both were assistants on the Broncos' staff in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Phillips is also obviously familiar with the NFC East.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL&filter_teams=WAS

markshark84 wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:
(1) This year though he took a step back and brought in football people to fix everything. Fixing this mess isn't a year project, it won't even happen next year but my point is the guy stood back and got other's here to do it.

That's exactly what I've been wanting him to do foreeevvverrr now and he did it.

(2) Anyone else on here just wana say screw the money and fire fat al once and for all?

In response:

(1) We'll see about that, because I doesn't appear very much has changed in terms of the FO since the hirings. This offseason, we gave up a 3rd and 4th in this years draft.....sound familiar?? Seems like the same story. So personally, I don't care what he does or makes us want to believe he has done. For me to honestly believe he is no longer destroying this franchise in a way similar to what he has been doing for over a decade now, I NEED to see a difference -- not just assume it is happening because he hired a couple new FO people.

Again, I am not sure why you are giving him the benefit of the doubt here. From what has been going on here, not much has changed. Same story, different characters. I do, however, see a coach that is at least demanding some type of respect from his players, but in terms of the FO, not much.

(2) Aren't you the person that said we should wait before we go on a firing rampage? That was pretty hypocritical.

Yea I lost myself being VICKtimized. *breathe*.. It's not over yet, 11-5 I say!!!

This is for Haslett.........NUF said

This is what I'd like to do to him.....

Ok, so now everybody loves Haslett again? No No...not so quick.

Let's see how he redeems himself vs. the Vikes.

tribeofjudah wrote:Ok, so now everybody loves Haslett again? No No...not so quick.

Let's see how he redeems himself vs. the Vikes.

Who loves Haslett again? There might be a few but they are confused.

I think Haslett has made some bad mistakes here but I'm not looking to fire anyone OR change anything and despite what changes some may think will help this franchise I think we finish the season with the same coaches we started with

the only way for Allen and Shanahan to properly evaluate the jobs done by the assistants is to evaluate them over a whole season and not based on a couple of games


Allen and Shanahan will continue to be in charge here for a couple more years and we'll be better off for it - these guys know what they're doing and will continue to improve this franchise despite the doomsayers and pessimists

we are not as bad as many here think and while these guys have a lot of work to do yet they will find the players and coaches to get it done - nobody will be on the sidelines next year that does not give this franchise the best chance for success including Haslett and Kyle




btw - I think that Haslett has more chance of being here than Haynesworth
I hope that Haynesworth becomes the unanimous defensive player of the year, only because I think he's gone and we'll get more for him - good riddance

Maake at NT - Recovering from injury - not a NT to build a 3-4 around
Golston at end - Does he play LB? - he is pushed back there every play
Carriker at end - a serviceable DE - great back up
Alexander OLB - Super find
McIntosh ILB - good LB
Fletcher ILB - Very good LB -
Orakpo ILB - Not dominant yet - getting there
Hall CB - playmaker but inconsistent in tackling
Landry SS - playmaker - can't cover with a darn and stop bump tackling
Moore FS - Whiff - Ole' - woosh - What was that thing that went by me?
Rogers CB - good cover guy - Off to see the Wizard to get some hands

All new to 3-4 and still learning

What is the problem with this group? - the DEFENSIVE LINE. Ask Ray Lewis. The 3-4 starts up front.

Haslett is doing a good job with what he has. He promised you turnovers and he delivered.

Last year's D was in the top 10 and we were still 4-12. Oh, it was the lack of Offense that contributed to 4-12record you say. Hello! We have a lack of Offense that is contributing to that this year. The O has scored more this year, you say. Hello - the D is giving them more short fields with turnovers and Brandon Banks is giving them great field position. The O is not helping this D any more than last year. It is the D helping this O.

Haslett is a very good D coordinator give him some time to get his players. This D disaster so far falls on Shanny for not waiting to get the players - but Shanny is right! In the long run, the D will be great next year because he started this year.

Where is Shanny going to get the players needed to fill all the holes in both offense and defense in one more off season? You are right about Banks putting us in good field position and I also think you underrated our offense. I think our receivers are getting open this year which rarely happened before. Our defense is much worse. MUCH WORSE!!!! Yes Jim H has gotten more TO this year. I think he could have done the same with a 43. Look what NO did last year with a 43. Is he confusing offenses with his 34? I don't think so. I think it is players making plays is all. His game planning vs. the Colts was a genius plan wasn't it? It is simple to give him credit but lets not fool ourselves.

Kilmer72 wrote:Where is Shanny going to get the players needed to fill all the holes in both offense and defense in one more off season? You are right about Banks putting us in good field position and I also think you underrated our offense. I think our receivers are getting open this year which rarely happened before. Our defense is much worse. MUCH WORSE!!!! Yes Jim H has gotten more TO this year. I think he could have done the same with a 43. Look what NO did last year with a 43. Is he confusing offenses with his 34? I don't think so. I think it is players making plays is all. His game planning vs. the Colts was a genius plan wasn't it? It is simple to give him credit but lets not fool ourselves.

You didn't address my point about the D Line. Check out any successful 3-4 and it starts out front. This thread is not a debate about whether or not we should have stayed with the 4-3. That is another thread. This thread is about Haslett and no successful coordinator has won without the players he needs. Williams defenses didn't produce TO's after the first year he was here becuase he didn't have the players. He won in Tennesses and NO because he had/has the players.

Red_One43 wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:Where is Shanny going to get the players needed to fill all the holes in both offense and defense in one more off season? You are right about Banks putting us in good field position and I also think you underrated our offense. I think our receivers are getting open this year which rarely happened before. Our defense is much worse. MUCH WORSE!!!! Yes Jim H has gotten more TO this year. I think he could have done the same with a 43. Look what NO did last year with a 43. Is he confusing offenses with his 34? I don't think so. I think it is players making plays is all. His game planning vs. the Colts was a genius plan wasn't it? It is simple to give him credit but lets not fool ourselves.

You didn't address my point about the D Line. Check out any successful 3-4 and it starts out front. This thread is not a debate about whether or not we should have stayed with the 4-3. That is another thread. This thread is about Haslett and no successful coordinator has won without the players he needs. Williams defenses didn't produce TO's after the first year he was here becuase he didn't have the players. He won in Tennesses and NO because he had/has the players.

I didn't address what you said about the lineman because I agree. I also think you gave our linebackers way to much credit.

I am all ears if you want to explain to me just how good Jim is again. His game planning has been far from excellent even if he doesn't have the players needed to run a defense that he said he had in the first place. He finally admitted he doesn't have the players. I knew it was a stupid plan then and I still think it is. I dont think he had anyone fooled though. So, that makes the statement about 34 and 43 very valid. In your view, you might think it has nothing to do with what you said, but I beg the differ. Not trying to give you a hard time but even Skinsjock sees Jim H is a problem and SkinsJock is about as optimistic as one can get. Until I see Jim do something to prove that he really is a good or great or even an average defensive coordinator then I have to say he sucks.

As far as Williams goes he said he had the most talented defenses here in Washington believe it or not. He did need lineman though just like now. I would rather have an attacking defense like he had here even if we didn't get the TOs.

Jim might really bring something to the table but I haven't seen anything yet except the worse bend but don't break defense in Redskins history.

Kilmer72 wrote:SkinsJock is about as optimistic as one can get.

You think so? I don't get that at all. He's constantly saying we aren't a good team at all, and will be lucky to go 9-7. Give me LPJ for optimism. He has us winning out every week. He said 11-5 after the Smeagols game.

Yeah, your right. I think you understood what I was trying to say though.

my point is only that we are not seeing a consistently competitive product on the field each week - I do think that this FO will get us there but that it will take more than one draft or one season - I have long predicted that we will be much improved by the middle of next season at the earliest

I don't look at predicting 8 or 9 wins this year as anything but an improvement over what we had here the last 2 years

anyone that thought at the begining of this season that we could end up with 11 or more wins was not being realistic - it would be great but highly unlikely

I think that Haslett will be evaluated at the end of this season and I predict he will be here next year - he has made mistakes but he's also done some good things and this D will be better because of him when looked at after the season is over

Ok, Kilmer72 , I am being generous about our linebackers. The reason why I say the references to the 3-4 and 4-3 are not valid in this thread is Haslett is not the one who decided to got to the 3-4. Shanahan did. Do you really think a D Coordinator is going to say, Ah gee coach It won't work, why don't you hire someone else. That being said, to me, this thread is a discussion on whether or not Haslett is up to the task on handling the 3-4 defense. When Tony Romo finished the game against the Skins, he said that he had never seen the looks given to him by Haslett. Against Dallas, turnover hungry D produces the difference maker! Score Big for Haslett. Gives up 500 yrds against Houston; however, team is in position to win. Every game except Philly the team is in postion to win. Up until Philly, Skins were last in yardage but no where last in points given up ( Now, isn't that a stat that counts more than yardage). We are up there in turnovers produced (another more important stat than yardage). One thing no one has proven is it is the scheming of Haslett that has been our achilles heel this season.
Yes, Kilmer72, you are right, I cannot make a case for Haslett for D Coordinator of the year, but I do know that this guy knows his Defenses. Ask Tony Romo. Ask Peyton Manning. It is not Haslett's fault that his, 'er Vinnie's players, dropped three interceptions. Hall admitted he blew the coverage on that TD. All coaches would love to come right at every team they play, but when you don't have all the weapons youneed, you scheme an "acceptable loss" scheme - ala Colts - give up rush yards to contain Peyton. Execution lost that game not scheme. If you have the players - you don't have to play "acceptable loss" stuff. If not for Haslett, Haynesworth would still be forced to play NT or do you think it was Haslett all along that was trying to put a "square peg" in a round hole?" Check out the Bears game and ask Hayneworth was it Haslett that allowed him to do some freelancing. Kilmer72, I admit that I haven't made a case for Haslett being the best Redskin D Coordinator ever, but I believe I made a case that Haslett has done very well with what he was given. Do you want to compare Haslett to Greg Williams D? Compare it to when Williams was here (6-10, 10-6, 5-11, 9-7 - Giants 36 Redskins 0; Pats 52 Redskins 7). Hey, I am not knocking Williams. I will defend him too. Vinnie deprived him of the players (Antonio Pierce). Haslett's record so far 5-5 and one blow out 28-59 in his nearly first season taking over a defense on a new team learning a new defensive scheme. I would be willing to bet there aren't many D coodinators under the same conditions who could do as well as Haslett. Oh you still want to say Williams. Even Williams record didn't fare better his first season or his 3rd season for that matter. Let's judge Haslett after the season and get him back here and get a chance to teach HIS players HIS scheme. Where will Shanny get the players you asked earlier. Free Agency (Big signings), free agency, and the draft (is Perry Riley a future star?)

Kilmer72 wrote: I think he could have done the same with a 43. Look what NO did last year with a 43. Is he confusing offenses with his 34? I don't think so. I think it is players making plays is all.

Let's compare Williams to Williams 4-3 to 4-3 - Williams NO leads the league in Turnovers. Williams WASH no where near the lead. Your argument that Haslett could do the same in turnovers in the 4-3 has no substance. Your agument that it is the players who make the plays - now that has substance Williams NO - SUPER BOWL! Williams TEN - went to the SUPER BOWL. Williams WASH - 2 losing records - 2 brief play off appearances - NO SUPER BOWL!

Watch Favre's run for the game clinching first down. Take note of Alexander as he bails out to cover a guy Doughty has already covered. If ALexander attacks Favre, it could be a classic Favre interception.
Haslett's D had Alexander in postion to make the play.
No way Haslett's scheme called for two people to cover one guy on that play.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201011280 ... #tab:watch

I hate to say this, but Blache is LoL'ing right now. Our D went from being competitive to tentative. WTH Haslett, just let them play the way they know how, you have to ease in changes, you can't flip them overnight and expect them to play top tier QB's and not get burned. Even Fletch's tackles are down, C'mon now, wake up, smell the coffee.

SKINFAN wrote:I hate to say this, but Blache is LoL'ing right now. Our D went from being competitive to tentative. WTH Haslett, just let them play the way they know how, you have to ease in changes, you can't flip them overnight and expect them to play top tier QB's and not get burned. Even Fletch's tackles are down, C'mon now, wake up, smell the coffee.

Hmmm. Blache's top ten defense - Redskin's record 4-12. Yes, he is laughing all right with his bend but break and no forced turnovers. Better ranked D - Worse results! That is what football is about rankings. I'll take Haslett over Blache as D coordinator in any style D. Would we better this year with the 4-3 this year? That is another thread.

Red_One43 wrote:

SKINFAN wrote:I hate to say this, but Blache is LoL'ing right now. Our D went from being competitive to tentative. WTH Haslett, just let them play the way they know how, you have to ease in changes, you can't flip them overnight and expect them to play top tier QB's and not get burned. Even Fletch's tackles are down, C'mon now, wake up, smell the coffee.

Hmmm. Blache's top ten defense - Redskin's record 4-12. Yes, he is laughing all right with his bend but break and no forced turnovers. Better ranked D - Worse results! That is what football is about rankings. I'll take Haslett over Blache as D coordinator in any style D. Would we better this year with the 4-3 this year? That is another thread.

If EITHER offense was actually adequate, either defense would be formidable. But both are severely inadequate, so the discussion is moot.

I think this thread is about the defense and not wins/losses. So with that being said;

Boy oh boy, we sure are giving up TONS of yardage this year.

Wow, have you ever seen this many turnovers before this year?

I believe, and I haven't checked the numbers but I think giving up TDs wise our 3-4 and 4-3 are about the same right? With the obvious exception of getting Vicktimized (I guess we can say the same for that Pats game some years ago) we just don't give up a lot of points at all.

I don't know man, just like in the past we need our offense to do more and keep opposing offenses off the field. No matter which defense we run, we'll still be in the same situation until that's been addressed. IMO anyways.

I wasn't really thrilled with how the D played yesterday, but they made a few key stops at the end of the game to give the offense the chance to take the lead and the offense did nothing. At the end of the day, even though they let Favre roll for 8 yards in his wheelchair to end the game, I can't put that loss on the D at all. Score 20 points offense! Having a run game to keep the D off the field would be nice too.

I still hate Haslett though...

Red_One43 wrote:Ok, Kilmer72 , I am being generous about our linebackers. The reason why I say the references to the 3-4 and 4-3 are not valid in this thread is Haslett is not the one who decided to got to the 3-4. Shanahan did. Do you really think a D Coordinator is going to say, Ah gee coach It won't work, why don't you hire someone else. That being said, to me, this thread is a discussion on whether or not Haslett is up to the task on handling the 3-4 defense. When Tony Romo finished the game against the Skins, he said that he had never seen the looks given to him by Haslett. Against Dallas, turnover hungry D produces the difference maker! Score Big for Haslett. Gives up 500 yrds against Houston; however, team is in position to win. Every game except Philly the team is in postion to win. Up until Philly, Skins were last in yardage but no where last in points given up ( Now, isn't that a stat that counts more than yardage). We are up there in turnovers produced (another more important stat than yardage). One thing no one has proven is it is the scheming of Haslett that has been our achilles heel this season.
Yes, Kilmer72, you are right, I cannot make a case for Haslett for D Coordinator of the year, but I do know that this guy knows his Defenses. Ask Tony Romo. Ask Peyton Manning. It is not Haslett's fault that his, 'er Vinnie's players, dropped three interceptions. Hall admitted he blew the coverage on that TD. All coaches would love to come right at every team they play, but when you don't have all the weapons youneed, you scheme an "acceptable loss" scheme - ala Colts - give up rush yards to contain Peyton. Execution lost that game not scheme. If you have the players - you don't have to play "acceptable loss" stuff. If not for Haslett, Haynesworth would still be forced to play NT or do you think it was Haslett all along that was trying to put a "square peg" in a round hole?" Check out the Bears game and ask Hayneworth was it Haslett that allowed him to do some freelancing. Kilmer72, I admit that I haven't made a case for Haslett being the best Redskin D Coordinator ever, but I believe I made a case that Haslett has done very well with what he was given. Do you want to compare Haslett to Greg Williams D? Compare it to when Williams was here (6-10, 10-6, 5-11, 9-7 - Giants 36 Redskins 0; Pats 52 Redskins 7). Hey, I am not knocking Williams. I will defend him too. Vinnie deprived him of the players (Antonio Pierce). Haslett's record so far 5-5 and one blow out 28-59 in his nearly first season taking over a defense on a new team learning a new defensive scheme. I would be willing to bet there aren't many D coodinators under the same conditions who could do as well as Haslett. Oh you still want to say Williams. Even Williams record didn't fare better his first season or his 3rd season for that matter. Let's judge Haslett after the season and get him back here and get a chance to teach HIS players HIS scheme. Where will Shanny get the players you asked earlier. Free Agency (Big signings), free agency, and the draft (is Perry Riley a future star?)

Yes he should have said "Ah gee coach It won't work" if he knew what he was dealing with. We are ranked 32 after all. I could ad more to your post but I am not trying to spin your tail feathers. I will ask you this though. If someone hired you to do a job and you didn't have the personnel to do a good or even average job wouldn't you say something? Would you say sure I can do that? If I did I wouldn't expect to have a job or even be able to save face. I would have to be honest.

Someone actually started a thread titled "We need to trade....Haslett." I guess should have just said YES with no explanation I guess.

Oh and one last thing and I will let it go....Fletcher and Hall seem to agree with me. They aren't happy with being ranked 32 even with the TO.