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Irn-Bru wrote:McNabb would have looked a lot better if his receivers caught the balls that hit their hands.

He had his typical bad throws, and I agree that his age really shows on any plays involving mobility . . . but his passing was better today. I wouldn't go as far to say that we won "in spite" of him.

He completed 53% of his passes, threw one pick 6 and would have thrown another except he got lucky by stupidly getting a delay of game penalty. The D constantly gave the offense great field position and despite a decent running game today the passing offense did nothing. Just look at the numbers from McNabb's last five games, his performance over that stretch has been terrible.

fredp45 wrote:McNabb is keeping us in games that Jason wouldn't have. Don't get me wrong, I liked JC, but McNabb just seems to make a play when we need it.

I believe our oline is average at best. Our two guards are both backups and it's showing. I also like to see us replace Rabach. Give McNabb time and he will really look good.

He was not very good with time. He did not keep us in this game at all. He is goin going to probably be the 28th rated passer after this week. If not for the first half againt Houston, he would maybe be last. In fact, I am not sure he has played a big role in any of our wins. Against Dallas, he was average and certainly did not put the game away. Againt Philly, he was awful and did not make a difference. He had a good second half in the comeback against the Packers, but his awful first half was a big part of the reason we had to ever comeback. He was certainly bad today and had another pick 6 negated by a delay of game.

Irn-Bru wrote:McNabb would have looked a lot better if his receivers caught the balls that hit their hands.

He had his typical bad throws, and I agree that his age really shows on any plays involving mobility . . . but his passing was better today. I wouldn't go as far to say that we won "in spite" of him.

The Redskins have the least dropped passes of any team in the NFL. Those were both big drops but it does not excuse his level of play this game or throughout the season.

CanesSkins26 wrote:He completed 53% of his passes,

How many drops were there?

McNabb sucks. And before anybody says, "He's Back"....He is back, and his name is "The Hater" not "Blind Homerism".

Fixed it for you...

He had a bad game again.

Not really sure what JC has to do with today's game so he shouldn't be mentioned in this thread at all.

WR's are going to drop balls from time to time but it's the completely broken down plays that'll haunt a team. See most of our missed 3rd down plays. We've got to get better in that area. We also need to pick up better yards on 1st down so when we're in 3rd down, we have more options.

Today, the offense as a whole didn't capitalize.

frankcal20 wrote:He had a bad game again.

Not really sure what JC has to do with today's game so he shouldn't be mentioned in this thread at all.

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Well, surely, you must be aware that JC is the much better quarterback...

Irn-Bru wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:He completed 53% of his passes,

How many drops were there?

Three. Again, the Skins have the least dropped passes in the NFL for the season. We had guys running wide open all game. A few of the screen passes that got knocked down/picked off could have been completed. When the screen is unguarded the QB has to get the ball over/around the unblocked defender. We had TDs on a few of those plays.

Irn-Bru wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:He completed 53% of his passes,

How many drops were there?

2 drops that I recall. However, coming into this game we lead the NFL in FEWEST dropped passes and yet McNabb has still posted the following completion percentages this season: 46.9, 73.7, 59.4, 42.1, 53.1, 64.4, 53.1.
That's only one game of completing 60 percent or more of his passes and four games below 55 percent. You can't blame that on drops.

Coming into today's game McNabb was last in td's among qb's that have started 6 games, 26th in completion percentage, and 24th in qb rating.

There is no doubt that he brings a lot of leadership to the team. However, his performance needs to improve and right now he is not playing well at all.

Countertrey wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:He had a bad game again.

Not really sure what JC has to do with today's game so he shouldn't be mentioned in this thread at all.

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Well, surely, you must be aware that JC is the much better quarterback... :roll:

Not really sure why you're rolling your eyes. My whole point is that there's not point in throwing little "diggs" on a guy who played his butt off for a JOKE of a franchise for several years only to get the run around.

I don't care what anyone else's opinion of him is he's not a Redskin anymore, didn't play against the Redskins this week so there's no point in bringing him up in this thread.

frankcal20 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:He had a bad game again.

Not really sure what JC has to do with today's game so he shouldn't be mentioned in this thread at all.

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Well, surely, you must be aware that JC is the much better quarterback...

Not really sure why you're rolling your eyes. My whole point is that there's not point in throwing little "diggs" on a guy who played his butt off for a JOKE of a franchise for several years only to get the run around.

I don't care what anyone else's opinion of him is he's not a Redskin anymore, didn't play against the Redskins this week so there's no point in bringing him up in this thread.

The rolling eyes were not aimed at you... surely, a read of the prior page of the thread would tell you that...

Sorry. I drank too much today earlier and have a headache. I think I'm just pissy!!!

I drank too much today earlier

No such thing

One thing about McNabb that is starting to wear on me is his percieved indifference. Maybe i'm making too much out of it, admittedly I didn't watch a lot of Eagles games when he was there so maybe this is his normal demeanor, but he doesn't see to be involved in the games mentally. Last week, we had a golden opportunity to beat the Colts and he seemed unfazed by the outcome and the series of downs that completed that game which were ugly on his part. Today, the same thing, we had so many opportunities and great field position and I want to see him take charge and make sure another opportunity isn't missed. He's not doing it, that combined with his other poor performances has me wondering if our franchise is on the fence about re-signing him past this year. I'm unimpressed thus far, he's an improvement over what we've had so he'll get a pass for the year most likely from our fans and I hope he proves me wrong in the end.

oneman56 wrote:One thing about McNabb that is starting to wear on me is his percieved indifference. Maybe i'm making too much out of it, admittedly I didn't watch a lot of Eagles games when he was there so maybe this is his normal demeanor, but he doesn't see to be involved in the games mentally. Last week, we had a golden opportunity to beat the Colts and he seemed unfazed by the outcome and the series of downs that completed that game which were ugly on his part. Today, the same thing, we had so many opportunities and great field position and I want to see him take charge and make sure another opportunity isn't missed. He's not doing it, that combined with his other poor performances has me wondering if our franchise is on the fence about re-signing him past this year. I'm unimpressed thus far, he's an improvement over what we've had so he'll get a pass for the year most likely from our fans and I hope he proves me wrong in the end.

That has always been his demeanor. That is why Philly fans always got to mad at him.

not even gonna read the posts.. .

REDSKINS WIN!!! HAHAHAHHA... EAT MY SHORTS ILLINOIS!!! HAHAHAH..

HAYNESWORTH WAS DA MAN!

SkinsJock wrote:This from one of our Redskins fans, this past week

patjam77 wrote:
Jay Cutler will throw for 400+ yards and a couple of scores against Haslett's defense. The Skins will lose by a late field goal because Haslett won't be able to stop them from marching down the field.

I refuse to call the defense the Redskins' defense because IF ANYONE was the DC besides Haslett, they would be better. So until he is fired or switches back to a D scheme that works with the personel he has, it's HIS rotten defense.

now I understand that things are not great with our defense but give me a break - this is our team

a good fan always thinks their team has a chance

there are a number of fans here that cannot call themselves "supporters" or REAL fans when you post garbage like this

Dude... are you five? Did you really just pull out the "you aren't a real fan" arguement? Wow. I'm actually more shocked you thought about me all week and couldn't wait to post that.
So I don't get pulled into your grade school antics, I won't be responding to ANY of your witty replies.

Skinsfan55 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

1niksder wrote:That doesn't look like a guy just going through the motions

He had a great game. It was nice of him to show up now that the season's almost half over. I'm not talking about the funeral, but that this was the first actual complete game he played.

That's like saying John Beck hasn't shown up yet this season. Haynesworth WANTS to be in the game, but Shanny holds him out.

I stated in another thread that Shanahan's actions with him were tiresome. The guy is a monster, put him in there and tell him to wreak havoc.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

McNabb is keeping us in games that Jason wouldn't have. Don't get me wrong, I liked JC, but McNabb just seems to make a play when we need it.

We won in spite of McNabb today not because of him. He was beyond awful today. He's better than JC for sure but he is really starting to show his age imho.

I can understand your concern with McNabb but I also can see/think he is not 100%. Not even 80% His ankle really seems to be bothering him. Obviously they won't say how bad it is for competitive reasons but he is constantly limping around. When he runs he scoots and that seems to be a sure sign that ankle isn;t flexing. It also doesn't help he gets twisted up every third play because the O-line is still pretty ugly to watch in pass protection. Let's see how he does after the bye week. Maybe that will be enough time to get his ankle right.

langleyparkjoe wrote:not even gonna read the posts.. .

REDSKINS WIN!!! HAHAHAHHA... EAT MY SHORTS ILLINOIS!!! HAHAHAH..

HAYNESWORTH WAS DA MAN!

I don't think that it's any coincidence that Haynesworth showed up and played like we all knew he could as soon as the Skins showed him a little bit of respect. By showing him some compassion during a tough time for him (giving him some time off and lending him the company plane) I think they earned a lot of good will. Hopefully, this is all behind the Skins now and they can start to work him into more packages then just the nickel sets and goal line.

patjam77 wrote: I can understand your concern with McNabb but I also can see/think he is not 100%. Not even 80% His ankle really seems to be bothering him. Obviously they won't say how bad it is for competitive reasons but he is constantly limping around. When he runs he scoots and that seems to be a sure sign that ankle isn;t flexing. It also doesn't help he gets twisted up every third play because the O-line is still pretty ugly to watch in pass protection. Let's see how he does after the bye week. Maybe that will be enough time to get his ankle right.

I agree. And the angst over his flawed performances so far really baffles me. The Redskins are doing much much better than last year. They are doing better than most people were predicting at the start of the season. If you had told me at the beginning of training camp that Portis and Kelly would be lost to injury, that Johnson, Parker and Thomas would all be cut, that Trent Williams would be playing hurt, that Haynesworth would only se limited action for the first half of the year, and that the defense would be worst in the league in terms of yardage allowed . . . . I would have predicted that our record would be 0-7 or 1-6.

I think McNabb is doing a pretty good job. Sure there is room for improvement, but that is true for almost every facet of our game. Hail Redskins.

Snout wrote:

patjam77 wrote: I can understand your concern with McNabb but I also can see/think he is not 100%. Not even 80% His ankle really seems to be bothering him. Obviously they won't say how bad it is for competitive reasons but he is constantly limping around. When he runs he scoots and that seems to be a sure sign that ankle isn;t flexing. It also doesn't help he gets twisted up every third play because the O-line is still pretty ugly to watch in pass protection. Let's see how he does after the bye week. Maybe that will be enough time to get his ankle right.

I agree. And the angst over his flawed performances so far really baffles me. The Redskins are doing much much better than last year. They are doing better than most people were predicting at the start of the season. If you had told me at the beginning of training camp that Portis and Kelly would be lost to injury, that Johnson, Parker and Thomas would all be cut, that Trent Williams would be playing hurt, that Haynesworth would only se limited action for the first half of the year, and that the defense would be worst in the league in terms of yardage allowed . . . . I would have predicted that our record would be 0-7 or 1-6.

I think McNabb is doing a pretty good job. Sure there is room for improvement, but that is true for almost every facet of our game. Hail Redskins.

Plus I think what the papers report is true. His presence alone gives the players a sense of confidence that they can win any game. I'm sure they liked JC as a person but I can't believe they had much confidence in him.

Bob 0119 wrote:The first pic is the only one that shows the ball. I didn't see that view, previously.

The other pics are the views I saw and none of them are conclusive.

the first picture was the only picture of Cutler with the TD - the other pics were of Haynesworth stopping Cutler dead in his tracks - great play by the fat man

we are 4-3 and we are not a very good football team but we are now being managed and coached by guys that the players are responding to and how good is it to have a chance at winning games where, for years we seemed to always fall short

McNabb is not playing great but he's what we need as a leader and he's going to be a really good mentor for the transition to the next QB

We are incredibly old and yet we find ways to be able to win games


it's amazing how many guys here are so critical of so man parts of what they are seeing but don't seem to want to believe in the possibility that they are seeing a group of players and coaches that are giving it all they've got and somehow finding a way to pull some of these games out

there were many here predicting stupid things this week and earlier this season because they have zero respect for players or coaches - get a life - look at the big picture - we were a terrible bunch and we still have a bunch of very old players and yet we have now won 4 games and there are 9 to go

we're not a consistently competitive team by any stretch but we all should be glad that Allen & Shanahan are in charge here AND that the coaches and players believe in themselves even though some of the fans here do not

we have won 4 games of 7 people -

GET A LIFE - try to be a little bit more positive about what's happening - some of you are a bunch of whiners

H A I L

Countertrey wrote:Say what you want, my favorite play was Haynesworth using Chris Williams as a whipping stick to take down Cutler... what a display of power that was!

That was classic and should have made all the highlight shows. He just pushed him ten yards back and used him to tackle Cutler. I don't think Al ever laid a hand on Jay. No helmet to helmet hits when you use an opposing player to take down the QB.