oneman56 wrote:I put a lot of blame for this game on the coaches, not all but a lot. We had 2 backs averaging almost 7 yards a carry and neither cracked 10 carries for the game, that's inexcusable in my opinion especially when we took the lead momentarily in the 2nd half against a team with a poor run D. .
Although I agree with the fact that we moved away from the run to create some balance, do me a favor and calculate the YPC without the two long runs. When it is not consistant, it's tough to call runs. What happens is that you get a lot of 3 and outs, and then one long drive that fizzles.
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oneman56 wrote:I put a lot of blame for this game on the coaches, not all but a lot. We had 2 backs averaging almost 7 yards a carry and neither cracked 10 carries for the game, that's inexcusable in my opinion especially when we took the lead momentarily in the 2nd half against a team with a poor run D. The defense has been bad, as stated, but Kyle is not doing them any favors with time of possession. 2 weeks in a row now we've abandoned the run completely in the 2nd half (last week is more understandable with our passing success but still not forgive) and it's costing us because our D is staying on the field a long time.
Our defensive substitutions have been horrendous as well, I watched in the Dallas game and again tonight when there are short yardage situations and it seems we have the wrong personnel on the field. Sometimes it seems we have 2 d-linemen in these moments and no AH. I know AH shares in the blame of what's transpired but if he's on the team you have to use him, otherwise ship him out. Shanahan, while being a great coach, has a reputation for running players off his team because of his stubborn ways and it's happening now in D.C. and it could cost us. One of my biggest fears when we hired him was that our D would be ruined, I've lived in Denver for 20 years and watched him guide excellent offensive teams but struggle to win consistently since Elways retirement mostly because of defense and personnel decisions and it looks like the same will happen to us this year.
So far I give Haslett a big F, Kyle a C - and Mike a C -, I know the o-line is not set yet and not a strength but you have to be more balanced and our unbalance has cost us 2 games in a row or at least contributed to those losses.
100% agree .... except, Kyle ... get's a lower grade ... the lack of running the ball today is a gigantic fail.
oneman56 wrote:I put a lot of blame for this game on the coaches, not all but a lot. We had 2 backs averaging almost 7 yards a carry and neither cracked 10 carries for the game, that's inexcusable in my opinion especially when we took the lead momentarily in the 2nd half against a team with a poor run D. .
Although I agree with the fact that we moved away from the run to create some balance, do me a favor and calculate the YPC without the two long runs. When it is not consistant, it's tough to call runs. What happens is that you get a lot of 3 and outs, and then one long drive that fizzles.
Well, tell me what the passing game was doing outside of one long connection to Moss at the beginning of the half? Who's to say we don't hit another long run and eat up some time and let our D rest?
Snout wrote:Although the Redskins always play down to the level of the competition, they can also be competitive against a competitive team.
Isn't it more that those competitive teams are playing down to our level???? It's not like we're winning against the majority of the league.
The point is that even though we were 4-12 last year, 8 of those losses were decided by a touchdown or less. We were in quite a few games, which is why last season was so painful to endure. Emotionally maybe we'd be better off as fans is we were losing by two or three touchdowns every time. Going back to Gibbs II, we lost to teams that we should have beat, and we beat some teams where we were the underdog. Maybe Philadephia will play down to our level (if that's how you want to think about it), but I think that next week's game will be a good one.
oneman56 wrote:I put a lot of blame for this game on the coaches, not all but a lot. We had 2 backs averaging almost 7 yards a carry and neither cracked 10 carries for the game, that's inexcusable in my opinion especially when we took the lead momentarily in the 2nd half against a team with a poor run D. .
Although I agree with the fact that we moved away from the run to create some balance, do me a favor and calculate the YPC without the two long runs. When it is not consistant, it's tough to call runs. What happens is that you get a lot of 3 and outs, and then one long drive that fizzles.
The coaching staff is responsible for picking the guys on the line ... and the blocking scheme ... and the bus full of RBs in camp.
Now, someone tell me why it's not the coaching staff's fault that Heyer is out there ..... among all of the resources available to the team, no one else better was available or did they just make that decision?
Was it the players that decided to run the ball once in the second half against a team that can't stop the run?
Was it my imagination, or did we watch our DC blitz the daylights out of a Veteran QB last week and get burned for 497 yards passing, only to not pressure a rookie QB this week ... play soft ... and let this kid have free WR screens on almost every first down all day long today ?
You want to know why they ran 75 plays and had 25 first downs? Because we gave the 6 or 7 yards on every 1st down play. 2nd and 3 is hard to defend all day ... especially when you're out there all day.
Sorry ... but the Redskins were out coached by a team with even less talent than the Skins have.
Snout wrote:Although the Redskins always play down to the level of the competition, they can also be competitive against a competitive team.
Isn't it more that those competitive teams are playing down to our level???? It's not like we're winning against the majority of the league.
The point is that even though we were 4-12 last year, 8 of those losses were decided by a touchdown or less. We were in quite a few games, which is why last season was so painful to endure. Emotionally maybe we'd be better off as fans is we were losing by two or three touchdowns every time. Going back to Gibbs II, we lost to teams that we should have beat, and we beat some teams where we were the underdog. Maybe Philadephia will play down to our level (if that's how you want to think about it), but I think that next week's game will be a good one.
You're acting like we are or have been a playoff team in recent memory. You don't play down to competition as the 28th best team in the league. You either are good or not. Close only counts in blah blah blah. Could we have got lucky and won 8 more games last year? Sure, but we didn't.
We are going to get waxed by Philly. We're looking at 1-6 right in the face. Hopefully we can win one or two of those so called close games, because good teams find a way to win them. When we start, I will agree that we occationally play down to competition. By the way, good teams do not lose to rookie QB's. We are 0-6 versus the last 6. ouch.
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Haslett should immediately switch back to a 4-3 or be looking for a new job. I've said it since the minute I heard we were switching to a 3-4. You can't fit a square peg into a round hole. Far too many of our players on defense have never played in a 3-4 and are not fit to play in a 3-4. We've had a top 10 defense the last three seasons and can't stop anyone right now.
Redskinsfansince81 wrote:Who's that coach that the Redskins fired? Greg Williams? Isn't that the guy who was defensive coordinator for the Super Bowl Champion Saints?
what in the world does this question have to do with our Redskins this season OR this defense - PLEASE EXPLAIN
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Outcoached and outplayed on offense, defense and special teams.
One of the worst showings since ... our previous game against the Rams !!!
Daniel Snyder has defined incompetence, failure and greed to true Washington Redskins fans for over a decade and a half. Stay away from football operations !!!
PAPDOG67 wrote:Haslett should immediately switch back to a 4-3 or be looking for a new job. I've said it since the minute I heard we were switching to a 3-4. You can't fit a square peg into a round hole. Far too many of our players on defense have never played in a 3-4 and are not fit to play in a 3-4. We've had a top 10 defense the last three seasons and can't stop anyone right now.
Clearly our personnel are geared for a 4-3, but I disagree they can't play a 3-4 if Haslett would use their skills more for what they are suited for. AC for example can play LB and rush from different positions which he's good at rather then doing pass coverage which he sucks at. My frustration with Haslett is he doesn't seem to be adapting schemes to use his players skills and he doesn't seem to be making adaptations when things aren't working. He's just sending us all down to the bottom of the sea with him. D's can be a lot more complicated then just 4-3 or 3-4. Though apparently not when Haslett's calling the shots...
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RayNAustin wrote:Starting out 14-zip against a poor team shows poor preparation, and the execution was absent at all levels.
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Kicking the ball out of bounds is poor preparation? A punt block is poor preparation? That's why we started 14-0. It's all execution.
I'm sorry ... did they run the kick from the 40 to the end zone? Or was it the same lousy defense that gave up the other 16 points?
You now ... that same defense that lost a 17 point lead last week .... and but for the sake of a holding penalty would have lost the first game too?
And if Fred Davis would have steped up to block on a field goal try, we would be 2-1. No one is going to tell me that Shannahan does not get this team prepared. The team laid an egg, and took this team for granted. Haynesworth was just on saying that same thing. When is the blame ever going to be placed on the players?
When? Today....B Mitch said on TV that the blame is 70% players, 30% coaches. There, are you satisfied? I too agree with BMitch.
Proverbs 27:17 As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another.
tribeofjudah wrote:B Mitch said on TV that the blame is 70% players, 30% coaches. There, are you satisfied? I too agree with BMitch.
Bradford was shredding us marching up the field on every series in the second half and we didn't seem to be trying anything different. I put that on the coaches. On the O, it's really hard to get in a rhythm when you're sitting that long between possessions each and every time.
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PAPDOG67 wrote:Haslett should immediately switch back to a 4-3 or be looking for a new job. I've said it since the minute I heard we were switching to a 3-4. You can't fit a square peg into a round hole. Far too many of our players on defense have never played in a 3-4 and are not fit to play in a 3-4. We've had a top 10 defense the last three seasons and can't stop anyone right now.
I'm definately in the minority here. I have no desire to switch back to a 4-3. It must come from watching as many Steelers games as I do. It must be knowing that the rankings you site can be very misleading and really don't show how ineffective it was in putting pressure on the QB late in the game when it mattered the most. It must be knowing that in today's game, most every expert, believes that the 3-4 is the counter to the passing game that is evolving in the NFL. It must be the fact that I do not still live in 1991 and am unwilling to accept that the game has changed and schemes have to change along with that (Gibbs learned that the hard way). It must be that I know that a 3-4 makes it so much more difficult for an opposing QB's to pick up on schemes. I am hoping that we have patience with this. This is a very hard transition because we do not have the personnel to be very successful right out of the gates. The end result will be much more like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and the Jet's of world. Please give this some years to mature.
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chiefhog44 wrote:I'm definately in the minority here. I have no desire to switch back to a 4-3. It must come from watching as many Steelers games as I do. It must be knowing that the rankings you site can be very misleading and really don't show how ineffective it was in putting pressure on the QB late in the game when it mattered the most. It must be knowing that in today's game, most every expert, believes that the 3-4 is the counter to the passing game that is evolving in the NFL. It must be the fact that I do not still live in 1991 and am unwilling to accept that the game has changed and schemes have to change along with that (Gibbs learned that the hard way). It must be that I know that a 3-4 makes it so much more difficult for an opposing QB's to pick up on schemes. I am hoping that we have patience with this. This is a very hard transition because we do not have the personnel to be very successful right out of the gates. The end result will be much more like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and the Jet's of world. Please give this some years to mature.
I'm with you in that I don't advocate either the 4-3 or the 3-4. I advocate our DC doing a better job using the skills of the players he has and adjusting to game situations. Frankly I think with Haslett's lack of ability to run a defense we'd suck just as bad in a 4-3. I'm not saying he can't improve going forward, but I'm saying so far he's done a horrible job and I put ownership of this mess squarely on his shoulders.
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PAPDOG67 wrote:Haslett should immediately switch back to a 4-3 or be looking for a new job. I've said it since the minute I heard we were switching to a 3-4. You can't fit a square peg into a round hole. Far too many of our players on defense have never played in a 3-4 and are not fit to play in a 3-4. We've had a top 10 defense the last three seasons and can't stop anyone right now.
I'm definately in the minority here. I have no desire to switch back to a 4-3. It must come from watching as many Steelers games as I do. It must be knowing that the rankings you site can be very misleading and really don't show how ineffective it was in putting pressure on the QB late in the game when it mattered the most. It must be knowing that in today's game, most every expert, believes that the 3-4 is the counter to the passing game that is evolving in the NFL. It must be the fact that I do not still live in 1991 and am unwilling to accept that the game has changed and schemes have to change along with that (Gibbs learned that the hard way). It must be that I know that a 3-4 makes it so much more difficult for an opposing QB's to pick up on schemes. I am hoping that we have patience with this. This is a very hard transition because we do not have the personnel to be very successful right out of the gates. The end result will be much more like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and the Jet's of world. Please give this some years to mature.
When you trade for a 33 year old QB and bring in an excellent HC in Shannahan, you don't have years to wait for your defense to mature.
PAPDOG67 wrote:Haslett should immediately switch back to a 4-3 or be looking for a new job. I've said it since the minute I heard we were switching to a 3-4. You can't fit a square peg into a round hole. Far too many of our players on defense have never played in a 3-4 and are not fit to play in a 3-4. We've had a top 10 defense the last three seasons and can't stop anyone right now.
I'm definately in the minority here. I have no desire to switch back to a 4-3. It must come from watching as many Steelers games as I do. It must be knowing that the rankings you site can be very misleading and really don't show how ineffective it was in putting pressure on the QB late in the game when it mattered the most. It must be knowing that in today's game, most every expert, believes that the 3-4 is the counter to the passing game that is evolving in the NFL. It must be the fact that I do not still live in 1991 and am unwilling to accept that the game has changed and schemes have to change along with that (Gibbs learned that the hard way). It must be that I know that a 3-4 makes it so much more difficult for an opposing QB's to pick up on schemes. I am hoping that we have patience with this. This is a very hard transition because we do not have the personnel to be very successful right out of the gates. The end result will be much more like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and the Jet's of world. Please give this some years to mature.
Get Dick Lebeau to run our 3-4 and I'm good with it. Heck get (puke) Wade Phillips to run our 3-4 and I'm good. But Jim Haslett stinks, has always has and always will!
Greg Blache would have this as a top ten D and we would be sitting at 2-1 at the worst!
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PAPDOG67 wrote:Haslett should immediately switch back to a 4-3 or be looking for a new job. I've said it since the minute I heard we were switching to a 3-4. You can't fit a square peg into a round hole. Far too many of our players on defense have never played in a 3-4 and are not fit to play in a 3-4. We've had a top 10 defense the last three seasons and can't stop anyone right now.
I'm definately in the minority here. I have no desire to switch back to a 4-3. It must come from watching as many Steelers games as I do. It must be knowing that the rankings you site can be very misleading and really don't show how ineffective it was in putting pressure on the QB late in the game when it mattered the most. It must be knowing that in today's game, most every expert, believes that the 3-4 is the counter to the passing game that is evolving in the NFL. It must be the fact that I do not still live in 1991 and am unwilling to accept that the game has changed and schemes have to change along with that (Gibbs learned that the hard way). It must be that I know that a 3-4 makes it so much more difficult for an opposing QB's to pick up on schemes. I am hoping that we have patience with this. This is a very hard transition because we do not have the personnel to be very successful right out of the gates. The end result will be much more like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and the Jet's of world. Please give this some years to mature.
When you trade for a 33 year old QB and bring in an excellent HC in Shannahan, you don't have years to wait for your defense to mature.
The team see's McNabb playing for 3 or 4 more years (I do as well). The team will be in a position by then to field a solid 3-4 defense with players who are well suited for it. Within that time, we'll bring in our next franchise QB to lead us from there.
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PAPDOG67 wrote:Haslett should immediately switch back to a 4-3 or be looking for a new job. I've said it since the minute I heard we were switching to a 3-4. You can't fit a square peg into a round hole. Far too many of our players on defense have never played in a 3-4 and are not fit to play in a 3-4. We've had a top 10 defense the last three seasons and can't stop anyone right now.
I'm definately in the minority here. I have no desire to switch back to a 4-3. It must come from watching as many Steelers games as I do. It must be knowing that the rankings you site can be very misleading and really don't show how ineffective it was in putting pressure on the QB late in the game when it mattered the most. It must be knowing that in today's game, most every expert, believes that the 3-4 is the counter to the passing game that is evolving in the NFL. It must be the fact that I do not still live in 1991 and am unwilling to accept that the game has changed and schemes have to change along with that (Gibbs learned that the hard way). It must be that I know that a 3-4 makes it so much more difficult for an opposing QB's to pick up on schemes. I am hoping that we have patience with this. This is a very hard transition because we do not have the personnel to be very successful right out of the gates. The end result will be much more like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and the Jet's of world. Please give this some years to mature.
Get Dick Lebeau to run our 3-4 and I'm good with it. Heck get (puke) Wade Phillips to run our 3-4 and I'm good. But Jim Haslett stinks, has always has and always will!
Greg Blache would have this as a top ten D and we wpouyld be sitting at 2-1 at the worst!
I'm not sold on Haslett, but I'm not throwing in the towel on him. It's way too early to be writing him off. Here's an interesting article. I'm going to call into Sirius NFL and ask Pat Kirwin his take. He'll give a very good idea of his abilities
PAPDOG67 wrote:Haslett should immediately switch back to a 4-3 or be looking for a new job. I've said it since the minute I heard we were switching to a 3-4. You can't fit a square peg into a round hole. Far too many of our players on defense have never played in a 3-4 and are not fit to play in a 3-4. We've had a top 10 defense the last three seasons and can't stop anyone right now.
I'm definately in the minority here. I have no desire to switch back to a 4-3. It must come from watching as many Steelers games as I do. It must be knowing that the rankings you site can be very misleading and really don't show how ineffective it was in putting pressure on the QB late in the game when it mattered the most. It must be knowing that in today's game, most every expert, believes that the 3-4 is the counter to the passing game that is evolving in the NFL. It must be the fact that I do not still live in 1991 and am unwilling to accept that the game has changed and schemes have to change along with that (Gibbs learned that the hard way). It must be that I know that a 3-4 makes it so much more difficult for an opposing QB's to pick up on schemes. I am hoping that we have patience with this. This is a very hard transition because we do not have the personnel to be very successful right out of the gates. The end result will be much more like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and the Jet's of world. Please give this some years to mature.
When you trade for a 33 year old QB and bring in an excellent HC in Shannahan, you don't have years to wait for your defense to mature.
The team see's McNabb playing for 3 or 4 more years (I do as well). The team will be in a position by then to field a solid 3-4 defense with players who are well suited for it. Within that time, we'll bring in our next franchise QB to lead us from there.
Redskinsfansince81 wrote:Who's that coach that the Redskins fired? Greg Williams? Isn't that the guy who was defensive coordinator for the Super Bowl Champion Saints?
what in the world does this question have to do with our Redskins this season OR this defense - PLEASE EXPLAIN
Unlike THIS coach, THAT coach seemed to have a clue on how to coach a defense.
Yea, Haslett just keeps blitzing when we aren't getting there. Then there's massive holes in the middle of the field. He shows no adjustment ability, which is why we get killed in the second half.I'm not actually sure how much of this is the scheme as opposed to Haslett. The D-line actually looked pretty good at times today. The biggest concern I had once we started adding linemen was the size of our MLB's. This game exposed that even more I think.
Redskinsfansince81 wrote:Who's that coach that the Redskins fired? Greg Williams? Isn't that the guy who was defensive coordinator for the Super Bowl Champion Saints?
what in the world does this question have to do with our Redskins this season OR this defense - PLEASE EXPLAIN
SkinsJock...after last week's game you said that the defense isn't a problem. Still feel that way?
what in the world does this question have to do with our Redskins this season OR this defense - PLEASE EXPLAIN 
