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Looking over the posts. We sound like the sports writers. The Skin's receivers are not getting enough separation from each other. Moss seems to be the only unanimous pick. Armstrong and Thomas are consensus picks. Hodge seems a lock for Practice Squad. Almost no support for Wade. That leaves Galloway (lots of support, but some concerns about age), Banks (lots of support, but some strong concerns about size), Austin (hasn't been much discussion on him in the posts), Williams (not much support ), Kelly (will he ever get on the field and stay on it - possibly PUP), or TBA ( WR To Be Aquired later). Kelly will be out again against the Jets. He has only game to shine.

yupchagee wrote:

Maximoral wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:We can talk about how small Banks is all day long. What has it effected though? Guys still cant catch him, he's not injured.

I would rather have a small and healthy Banks than a big, injury prone Kelly on my team.

Talk about injury prone! Banks is a midget and I could easily throw him around a room. Imagine him taking a blind hit from Ed Reed! I'll take a large receiver with some injury issues over a little guy who's going to end up in a wheel chair! He looks like a little kid out there.

Terrible comparison between him and Sproles by the way. Sproles is built like a tank. He's short, but that's where it ends. Banks is short and dainty!

Banks survived the Big 12 without injury. More than can be said for Kelley.

Okay, I'm certainly not saying that Kelly hasn't proven thus far to be injury prone. He certainly has. He also has far more upside potential than Banks. All that I'm saying is that Banks is now in there with the big boys. He can't survive at this level. This is a different game than what he played in at college. He's simply too small. Santana is about as tiny as you can be while still being an effective receiver in this league.

I like Banks. He's somewhat of a "special interest" story for this preseason. Still, he doesn't belong in this league. At least not with us!

Maximoral wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Maximoral wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:We can talk about how small Banks is all day long. What has it effected though? Guys still cant catch him, he's not injured.

I would rather have a small and healthy Banks than a big, injury prone Kelly on my team.

Talk about injury prone! Banks is a midget and I could easily throw him around a room. Imagine him taking a blind hit from Ed Reed! I'll take a large receiver with some injury issues over a little guy who's going to end up in a wheel chair! He looks like a little kid out there.

Terrible comparison between him and Sproles by the way. Sproles is built like a tank. He's short, but that's where it ends. Banks is short and dainty!

Banks survived the Big 12 without injury. More than can be said for Kelley.

Okay, I'm certainly not saying that Kelly hasn't proven thus far to be injury prone. He certainly has. He also has far more upside potential than Banks. All that I'm saying is that Banks is now in there with the big boys. He can't survive at this level. This is a different game than what he played in at college. He's simply too small. Santana is about as tiny as you can be while still being an effective receiver in this league.

I like Banks. He's somewhat of a "special interest" story for this preseason. Still, he doesn't belong in this league. At least not with us!

Lot's of undersized players have not only survived, but thrived. Examples include:
Eddie LeBaron
Pat Fischer
Chris Hanbutger.

Maximoral. Haven't you seen Banks get hit by professionals in the pre-season games? Oh, that's right he has been too fast for them to catch him. BTW - did you see my post about former NFL CB MArk McMillian who played 8 years at 5'6" 154 pounds? No such thing as too small.

I personally just can't see how a guy (Kelly) who's been injured, can have a better upside than someone who hasn't (Banks)

yupchagee wrote:

Maximoral wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Maximoral wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:We can talk about how small Banks is all day long. What has it effected though? Guys still cant catch him, he's not injured.

I would rather have a small and healthy Banks than a big, injury prone Kelly on my team.

Talk about injury prone! Banks is a midget and I could easily throw him around a room. Imagine him taking a blind hit from Ed Reed! I'll take a large receiver with some injury issues over a little guy who's going to end up in a wheel chair! He looks like a little kid out there.

Terrible comparison between him and Sproles by the way. Sproles is built like a tank. He's short, but that's where it ends. Banks is short and dainty!

Banks survived the Big 12 without injury. More than can be said for Kelley.

Okay, I'm certainly not saying that Kelly hasn't proven thus far to be injury prone. He certainly has. He also has far more upside potential than Banks. All that I'm saying is that Banks is now in there with the big boys. He can't survive at this level. This is a different game than what he played in at college. He's simply too small. Santana is about as tiny as you can be while still being an effective receiver in this league.

I like Banks. He's somewhat of a "special interest" story for this preseason. Still, he doesn't belong in this league. At least not with us!

Lot's of undersized players have not only survived, but thrived. Examples include:
Eddie LeBaron
Pat Fischer
Chris Hanbutger.

Pat Fischer was definitely too small to play in the NFL. He was definitely too small when he upended Mac Lane in the open field.


Shame that Mac was upside down and couldn't enjoy that one sided collision.

Countertrey wrote:Speed kills...

I want Banks.

He has been 2 blocks away from taking 2 more punts to the house.

I have watched him get big time separation on 3 routes... one of which resulted in a 15 yd pick up...

The kid is a player... I say that keep him.

I agree. You don't come across game changers everyday. He is a keeper. We need as much firepower as we can get. Especially if we can get good field position from our special teams.

Maximoral wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:We can talk about how small Banks is all day long. What has it effected though? Guys still cant catch him, he's not injured.

I would rather have a small and healthy Banks than a big, injury prone Kelly on my team.

Talk about injury prone! Banks is a midget and I could easily throw him around a room. Imagine him taking a blind hit from Ed Reed! I'll take a large receiver with some injury issues over a little guy who's going to end up in a wheel chair! He looks like a little kid out there.

Terrible comparison between him and Sproles by the way. Sproles is built like a tank. He's short, but that's where it ends. Banks is short and dainty!

Mximoral, get ready for a dose of reality my friend....

Neither will be starting WR's
One is currently injured
One is ALWAYS injured
One of them is healthy, a game changer, and a serious asset on special teams.

You are wrong here and your love affair with Kelly (like with Campbell) is making me sick.

Maximoral wrote:Talk about injury prone! Banks is a midget and I could easily throw him around a room. Imagine him taking a blind hit from Ed Reed! I'll take a large receiver with some injury issues over a little guy who's going to end up in a wheel chair!

That's just the point. You have to imagine Banks being injured. Try living in this reality. What good is a big receiver if he can never get on the field?

yupchagee wrote:

Maximoral wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Maximoral wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:We can talk about how small Banks is all day long. What has it effected though? Guys still cant catch him, he's not injured.

I would rather have a small and healthy Banks than a big, injury prone Kelly on my team.

Talk about injury prone! Banks is a midget and I could easily throw him around a room. Imagine him taking a blind hit from Ed Reed! I'll take a large receiver with some injury issues over a little guy who's going to end up in a wheel chair! He looks like a little kid out there.

Terrible comparison between him and Sproles by the way. Sproles is built like a tank. He's short, but that's where it ends. Banks is short and dainty!

Banks survived the Big 12 without injury. More than can be said for Kelley.

Okay, I'm certainly not saying that Kelly hasn't proven thus far to be injury prone. He certainly has. He also has far more upside potential than Banks. All that I'm saying is that Banks is now in there with the big boys. He can't survive at this level. This is a different game than what he played in at college. He's simply too small. Santana is about as tiny as you can be while still being an effective receiver in this league.

I like Banks. He's somewhat of a "special interest" story for this preseason. Still, he doesn't belong in this league. At least not with us!

Lot's of undersized players have not only survived, but thrived. Examples include:
Eddie LeBaron
Pat Fischer
Chris Hanbutger.

I seem to remember a certain HOF CB that people also said was too small, but played 20 years in the league.

Deadskins wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Maximoral wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Maximoral wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:We can talk about how small Banks is all day long. What has it effected though? Guys still cant catch him, he's not injured.

I would rather have a small and healthy Banks than a big, injury prone Kelly on my team.

Talk about injury prone! Banks is a midget and I could easily throw him around a room. Imagine him taking a blind hit from Ed Reed! I'll take a large receiver with some injury issues over a little guy who's going to end up in a wheel chair! He looks like a little kid out there.

Terrible comparison between him and Sproles by the way. Sproles is built like a tank. He's short, but that's where it ends. Banks is short and dainty!

Banks survived the Big 12 without injury. More than can be said for Kelley.

Okay, I'm certainly not saying that Kelly hasn't proven thus far to be injury prone. He certainly has. He also has far more upside potential than Banks. All that I'm saying is that Banks is now in there with the big boys. He can't survive at this level. This is a different game than what he played in at college. He's simply too small. Santana is about as tiny as you can be while still being an effective receiver in this league.

I like Banks. He's somewhat of a "special interest" story for this preseason. Still, he doesn't belong in this league. At least not with us!

Lot's of undersized players have not only survived, but thrived. Examples include:
Eddie LeBaron
Pat Fischer
Chris Hanbutger.

I seem to remember a certain HOF CB that people also said was too small, but played 20 years in the league.

... and, obtw, at a very high level... even at the time of his retirement, he could have still been a quality starter on most teams. Minimal injury history, as well...

DG too small??? physically, perhaps... but, as with Pat Fischer, you can't measure the size of the heart by looking at the man. Somehow, both managed, despite what some here would term a fatal flaw...

Banks has no injury history... now, does that mean it won't happen? Of course not... but it does say that he's tough enough to tip that particular scale in his favor in a cost/benefit analysis.

Deadskins wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Maximoral wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Maximoral wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:We can talk about how small Banks is all day long. What has it effected though? Guys still cant catch him, he's not injured.

I would rather have a small and healthy Banks than a big, injury prone Kelly on my team.

Talk about injury prone! Banks is a midget and I could easily throw him around a room. Imagine him taking a blind hit from Ed Reed! I'll take a large receiver with some injury issues over a little guy who's going to end up in a wheel chair! He looks like a little kid out there.

Terrible comparison between him and Sproles by the way. Sproles is built like a tank. He's short, but that's where it ends. Banks is short and dainty!

Banks survived the Big 12 without injury. More than can be said for Kelley.

Okay, I'm certainly not saying that Kelly hasn't proven thus far to be injury prone. He certainly has. He also has far more upside potential than Banks. All that I'm saying is that Banks is now in there with the big boys. He can't survive at this level. This is a different game than what he played in at college. He's simply too small. Santana is about as tiny as you can be while still being an effective receiver in this league.

I like Banks. He's somewhat of a "special interest" story for this preseason. Still, he doesn't belong in this league. At least not with us!

Lot's of undersized players have not only survived, but thrived. Examples include:
Eddie LeBaron
Pat Fischer
Chris Hanbutger.

I seem to remember a certain HOF CB that people also said was too small, but played 20 years in the league.

Again, a useless comparison. Green weighed around 185-190 pounds when he played, which isn't all that small for a cb. Banks weighs 150 pounds. Punters and kickers weigh more than that.

I hope the guy makes the team and can contribute, I just don't see how he contributes this year. Thomas most likely returns kicks, Austin/Buchanan punts, and Banks isn't going to play wr unless a bunch of guys gets injured.

Sheesh guys! The guy is a tiny tot! He's going to get killed out there. Yes, you've managed to mention two defensive backs who were small who survived. Well, the odds aren't as heavily against them as they are a tiny reciever. The DB's don't normally have to worry about monsterous blind side hits. They don't have to worry about guys like Ed Reed decleating them from behind. In fact, these little guys often get to apply the blind side hits. It doesn't impress me nearly as much when a little guy who is not directly in the line of fire can survive injury free vs. a midget who's essentially storming the beaches of Normandy by himself!

He's a special interest story and you guys are all getting hyped about it! The fact is simply that there is more potential upside with Kelly then there will ever be with Banks.

langleyparkjoe wrote:

fleetus wrote:Moss
Galloway
Armstrong
D. Thomas
Kelly
Austin (KR)

Why Galloway Fleetus?

Good Question. I'm not 100% on him yet, but I guess if you consider the big disappointment/inconsistency factor of Thomas and Kelly, you need a solid veteran WR on the squad. Galloway will know his routes, know where the 1st down marker is and still has enough speed to get deep. You could make a case to drop Austin, Banks or Kelly to make room for another veteran like Roydell or Wade. But these are my 6 for now. Subject to change over the next 2 weeks.

Maximoral wrote:Sheesh guys! The guy is a tiny tot! He's going to get killed out there. Yes, you've managed to mention two defensive backs who were small who survived. Well, the odds aren't as heavily against them as they are a tiny reciever. The DB's don't normally have to worry about monsterous blind side hits. They don't have to worry about guys like Ed Reed decleating them from behind. In fact, these little guys often get to apply the blind side hits. It doesn't impress me nearly as much when a little guy who is not directly in the line of fire can survive injury free vs. a midget who's essentially storming the beaches of Normandy by himself!

He's a special interest story and you guys are all getting hyped about it! The fact is simply that there is more potential upside with Kelly then there will ever be with Banks.

WR's don't have to tackle 240# RB's either. He's too small for the Big 12 & did OK.

yupchagee wrote:

Maximoral wrote:Sheesh guys! The guy is a tiny tot! He's going to get killed out there. Yes, you've managed to mention two defensive backs who were small who survived. Well, the odds aren't as heavily against them as they are a tiny reciever. The DB's don't normally have to worry about monsterous blind side hits. They don't have to worry about guys like Ed Reed decleating them from behind. In fact, these little guys often get to apply the blind side hits. It doesn't impress me nearly as much when a little guy who is not directly in the line of fire can survive injury free vs. a midget who's essentially storming the beaches of Normandy by himself!

He's a special interest story and you guys are all getting hyped about it! The fact is simply that there is more potential upside with Kelly then there will ever be with Banks.

WR's don't have to tackle 240# RB's either. He's too small for the Big 12 & did OK.

There is a BIG difference between playing in the Big 12 and playing in the NFL.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Maximoral wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Maximoral wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:We can talk about how small Banks is all day long. What has it effected though? Guys still cant catch him, he's not injured.

I would rather have a small and healthy Banks than a big, injury prone Kelly on my team.

Talk about injury prone! Banks is a midget and I could easily throw him around a room. Imagine him taking a blind hit from Ed Reed! I'll take a large receiver with some injury issues over a little guy who's going to end up in a wheel chair! He looks like a little kid out there.

Terrible comparison between him and Sproles by the way. Sproles is built like a tank. He's short, but that's where it ends. Banks is short and dainty!

Banks survived the Big 12 without injury. More than can be said for Kelley.

Okay, I'm certainly not saying that Kelly hasn't proven thus far to be injury prone. He certainly has. He also has far more upside potential than Banks. All that I'm saying is that Banks is now in there with the big boys. He can't survive at this level. This is a different game than what he played in at college. He's simply too small. Santana is about as tiny as you can be while still being an effective receiver in this league.

I like Banks. He's somewhat of a "special interest" story for this preseason. Still, he doesn't belong in this league. At least not with us!

Lot's of undersized players have not only survived, but thrived. Examples include:
Eddie LeBaron
Pat Fischer
Chris Hanbutger.

I seem to remember a certain HOF CB that people also said was too small, but played 20 years in the league.

Again, a useless comparison. Green weighed around 185-190 pounds when he played, which isn't all that small for a cb. Banks weighs 150 pounds. Punters and kickers weigh more than that.

I hope the guy makes the team and can contribute, I just don't see how he contributes this year. Thomas most likely returns kicks, Austin/Buchanan punts, and Banks isn't going to play wr unless a bunch of guys gets injured.

Austin return punts? Have you seen Austin return a punt this pre-season? Though bigger than Banks, he has shown nothing during his attempts. Buchanan may have had a good past returning kicks, but I know another PR who had a good past before becoming a PR for the Skins. I dare not mention his name (Randle El).

yupchagee wrote:

Maximoral wrote:Sheesh guys! The guy is a tiny tot! He's going to get killed out there. Yes, you've managed to mention two defensive backs who were small who survived. Well, the odds aren't as heavily against them as they are a tiny reciever. The DB's don't normally have to worry about monsterous blind side hits. They don't have to worry about guys like Ed Reed decleating them from behind. In fact, these little guys often get to apply the blind side hits. It doesn't impress me nearly as much when a little guy who is not directly in the line of fire can survive injury free vs. a midget who's essentially storming the beaches of Normandy by himself!

He's a special interest story and you guys are all getting hyped about it! The fact is simply that there is more potential upside with Kelly then there will ever be with Banks.

WR's don't have to tackle 240# RB's either. He's too small for the Big 12 & did OK.

I agree, they don't. Still read the fine print. It's easy to avoid injury when you're a tiny DB and you need to take out the legs of an oncoming 240 RB. You undercut him of you're trying your hardest to drag him down from behind.

Like I said earlier, the DB's will rarely get drilled from the blind side the way a receiver does. What happens when that little man goes over the middle and gets absolutely blown up by some 260lb. middle line backer? Even worse, what if he doesn't see it coming?

Another fact to throw in is that he stands absolutely no chance in run blocking which means you could never have him in on a running play. The Shanahan's don't strike me as the kind of guys who hold on to receivers who can only be used on passing plays. Not only would this hurt the possible play calling ability of the OC, but it would be a tip to the D that a passing play is coming. "Oh look, the smurf is in the game, no need to have 8 in the box!"

CanesSkins26 wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Maximoral wrote:Sheesh guys! The guy is a tiny tot! He's going to get killed out there. Yes, you've managed to mention two defensive backs who were small who survived. Well, the odds aren't as heavily against them as they are a tiny reciever. The DB's don't normally have to worry about monsterous blind side hits. They don't have to worry about guys like Ed Reed decleating them from behind. In fact, these little guys often get to apply the blind side hits. It doesn't impress me nearly as much when a little guy who is not directly in the line of fire can survive injury free vs. a midget who's essentially storming the beaches of Normandy by himself!

He's a special interest story and you guys are all getting hyped about it! The fact is simply that there is more potential upside with Kelly then there will ever be with Banks.

WR's don't have to tackle 240# RB's either. He's too small for the Big 12 & did OK.

There is a BIG difference between playing in the Big 12 and playing in the NFL.

I never said otherwise, however there are big players in the big 12 & I'm sure Banks took his fair share of hits from them.

LOL... I'm just laughing because we're bickering over WRs.. when's the last time we had that priviledge????? Isn't it so damn cool???

Maximoral wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Maximoral wrote:Sheesh guys! The guy is a tiny tot! He's going to get killed out there. Yes, you've managed to mention two defensive backs who were small who survived. Well, the odds aren't as heavily against them as they are a tiny reciever. The DB's don't normally have to worry about monsterous blind side hits. They don't have to worry about guys like Ed Reed decleating them from behind. In fact, these little guys often get to apply the blind side hits. It doesn't impress me nearly as much when a little guy who is not directly in the line of fire can survive injury free vs. a midget who's essentially storming the beaches of Normandy by himself!

He's a special interest story and you guys are all getting hyped about it! The fact is simply that there is more potential upside with Kelly then there will ever be with Banks.

WR's don't have to tackle 240# RB's either. He's too small for the Big 12 & did OK.

I agree, they don't. Still read the fine print. It's easy to avoid injury when you're a tiny DB and you need to take out the legs of an oncoming 240 RB. You undercut him of you're trying your hardest to drag him down from behind.

Like I said earlier, the DB's will rarely get drilled from the blind side the way a receiver does. What happens when that little man goes over the middle and gets absolutely blown up by some 260lb. middle line backer? Even worse, what if he doesn't see it coming?

Another fact to throw in is that he stands absolutely no chance in run blocking which means you could never have him in on a running play. The Shanahan's don't strike me as the kind of guys who hold on to receivers who can only be used on passing plays. Not only would this hurt the possible play calling ability of the OC, but it would be a tip to the D that a passing play is coming. "Oh look, the smurf is in the game, no need to have 8 in the box!"

I am sure that Randy Moss at 6'4" and over 200 pounds blocks on running plays and I know he never takes plays off. I am not saying that Banks should take plays off. I am saying that just because Banks is in the game doesn't mean it is a pass, as a matter of fact, that could be a good decoy for those coaches who think like you. You seem to underestimate what a good coach can do with the talents of a little guy like Banks. Shanahan will design plays to get him in space. Check out Banks youtube. Also note. KR's do not play much in the regular offense. Ask B - Mitch why. Ask Randle El why. Ask Devin Hester why. Ask why a gifted returner like Santana Moss is not the regular returner.

langleyparkjoe wrote:LOL... I'm just laughing because we're bickering over WRs.. when's the last time we had that priviledge????? Isn't it so damn cool???

Yeah, you're right! It's really nice! Good point!

everydayAskinsday wrote:someone please explain to me what they see in Banks as a receiver? He is 5'7 MAYBE and all of about 160 pounds... if we could put him on this roster without taking up a WR slot I would be all for it but other than that I dont see him as a receiver for us....

Show me one positive report on him as a wide out .. I loved the punt return as much as the next guy and I know hes got plenty of speed but one punt return wont put him on this team as a receiver...

Garry Clark ... 5' 9" 175 lbs with $10 in change in his pocket. And one of the best WR in Redskin history.

Not that I'm saying Banks is Garry Clark ... but don't write him off because of size ... that kid has blazing speed ... and the Skins would be crazy to not find a place for him .... he'd be snatched off waivers instantly.

langleyparkjoe wrote:LOL... I'm just laughing because we're bickering over WRs.. when's the last time we had that priviledge????? Isn't it so damn cool???

You are so right. It is cool. WR is supposed to be one of weakest postions. Can you imagine what the coaches are going through on this? I read that Shanahan wanted to throw the ball often against the Ravens because he needs to evaluate the receivers more. I am begining to believe like an someone's earlier post that we might be in the Hunt for a receiver not on our roster.

Howard Stevens, Running Back for the Baltimore Colts and New Orleans Saints. 5' 5" 165 pounds (you know the wieght is inflated). Do y'all remember him. YES, running back! 165 pounds.
How did he return so many kick-offs or actually carry the ball through the line and no get killed every time? Hmmmmm, could it be that there is no such thing as too small.

C'mon guys, if Shanny felt that Banks was too small, he would have not invited him to camp. The issues will be can he return kicks and play wide receiver when called upon.

He rushed for a total of 376 yards on 89 carries and scored 4 touchdowns. As a kick returner he ran for 2336 yards on 103 returns. He returned 163 punts for 1,559 yards.

http://people.famouswhy.com/howard_stevens/