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yupchagee wrote:Haynsworth & Landry are naturally agreessive players. Blache didn't want them to play agressively. That was the problem.
VetSkinsFan wrote:Jesus, the man's taking it in to his own hands to get a trainer to give him 1vs1 attention. The same guy who got him to his peak performance. How is this an issue. As WaPo was quoted, the team is not upset (which probably includes Shanahan it's safe to assume). If you don't like the dude, that's fine, but don't attempt (poorly) to twist details to your agenda.
fleetus wrote:VetSkinsFan wrote:Jesus, the man's taking it in to his own hands to get a trainer to give him 1vs1 attention. The same guy who got him to his peak performance. How is this an issue. As WaPo was quoted, the team is not upset (which probably includes Shanahan it's safe to assume). If you don't like the dude, that's fine, but don't attempt (poorly) to twist details to your agenda.
You're the only one bringing emotion to your irrational argument. Can spot it a mile away. Shanahan stated day one that he wanted 100% participation. Has Shanahan retracted that? Do you think he is fine with no shows by the highest paid player on the team in the very first series of workouts? Keep drinking that kool-aid.
It may all workout in the end, there is always that possibility. I hope so because Haynesworth is the most talented player on the team and could be the difference between a solid defense and a nasty, dominant defense. But there is no disguising the reality of the situation and it ain't a good sign for things to come when your highest paid player puts more priority on his personal trainer than his new Head Coach.
Hey, if I'm wrong, come back here in September and say so.
VetSkinsFan wrote:fleetus wrote:VetSkinsFan wrote:Jesus, the man's taking it in to his own hands to get a trainer to give him 1vs1 attention. The same guy who got him to his peak performance. How is this an issue. As WaPo was quoted, the team is not upset (which probably includes Shanahan it's safe to assume). If you don't like the dude, that's fine, but don't attempt (poorly) to twist details to your agenda.
You're the only one bringing emotion to your irrational argument. Can spot it a mile away. Shanahan stated day one that he wanted 100% participation. Has Shanahan retracted that? Do you think he is fine with no shows by the highest paid player on the team in the very first series of workouts? Keep drinking that kool-aid.
It may all workout in the end, there is always that possibility. I hope so because Haynesworth is the most talented player on the team and could be the difference between a solid defense and a nasty, dominant defense. But there is no disguising the reality of the situation and it ain't a good sign for things to come when your highest paid player puts more priority on his personal trainer than his new Head Coach.
Hey, if I'm wrong, come back here in September and say so.
Okay, so if I'm drink on Kool Aid, then you must be able to show me where Shanahan is upset with Haynesworth and his workout regimen. I mean, if I'm so irrational and emotional, there must be TONS of links out there to support how I'm off my rocker here. Go ahead, buddy, hook me up.
fleetus wrote:Okay, no problem. I'm not arguing the report that he is working out with a trainer who supposedly can get Haynesworth into the best shape. I'm not arguing that the workouts are not mandatory. I'm just pointing out (what i thought was obvious) that if you consider several things:
1. how out of shape Haynesworth was at the start of camp last season
2. consider that Haynesworth is reportedly has concerns about switching to a Haslett's 3-4.
3. consider the defense is likely to be learning some of Haslett's 3-4 scheme during these workouts and that Haynesworth has never played DE in a 3-4.
4. Consider that Shanahan expects to instill some discipline and team work and has already called out Portis (the other problem child) about his off season conditioning and participation in team workouts.
Me thinks there is potential for a conflict here. No more, no less. Hopefully it all blows over.
vwoodzpusha wrote:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/22/haynesworth-explains-his-decision-not-to-participate-in-offseason-workouts/
Seems like Haynesworth isnt happy to me....
"Last year, I worked out with the Redskins, and the year that we had and all that stuff wasn't great, by any means," Haynesworth said. "I'm getting back to basics, what got me to be one of the top defensive players in the NFL, and that's what I plan on doing."
Haynesworth said that new coach Mike Shanahan doesn't agree with the approach, but that Shanahan said he respects Haynesworth for being candid about it. Haynesworth also was very complimentary of the ability to approach and talk to Shanahan.
But the relationship is strained, for now. Haynesworth isn't happy with the switch to a 3-4, but he acknowledges that there's nothing he can do about it, given that he's under contract in D.C. "Whatever they ask me to do, that's what I'm gonna do," he said, with what seemed to be more than a hint of resignation in his voice.
Haynesworth also suggested that if he knew in early 2009 what he knows now, he possibly would have signed with a different team. He pointed to having "too many chiefs" in D.C., and while he stopped short of saying that owner Daniel Snyder is too involved, Haynesworth pointed out that Titans owner Bud Adams rarely was in the facility during Haynesworth's seven seasons in Tennessee.
CanesSkins26 wrote:"Last year, I worked out with the Redskins, and the year that we had and all that stuff wasn't great, by any means," Haynesworth said. "I'm getting back to basics, what got me to be one of the top defensive players in the NFL, and that's what I plan on doing."
Haynesworth said that new coach Mike Shanahan doesn't agree with the approach, but that Shanahan said he respects Haynesworth for being candid about it. Haynesworth also was very complimentary of the ability to approach and talk to Shanahan.
But the relationship is strained, for now. Haynesworth isn't happy with the switch to a 3-4, but he acknowledges that there's nothing he can do about it, given that he's under contract in D.C. "Whatever they ask me to do, that's what I'm gonna do," he said, with what seemed to be more than a hint of resignation in his voice.
Haynesworth also suggested that if he knew in early 2009 what he knows now, he possibly would have signed with a different team. He pointed to having "too many chiefs" in D.C., and while he stopped short of saying that owner Daniel Snyder is too involved, Haynesworth pointed out that Titans owner Bud Adams rarely was in the facility during Haynesworth's seven seasons in Tennessee.
SkinsJock wrote:Like I've maintained since this misguided thread started - there is a lot of misguided worry about Haynesworth being presented by both the very biased anti-Redskins media and some fans here who just want to see the bad in almost everything about this franchise
Haynesworth is ours and he's fortunately staying here - we are lucky to have him and many teams are very envious
now, what else is there to really worry about this off season
fleetus wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:"Last year, I worked out with the Redskins, and the year that we had and all that stuff wasn't great, by any means," Haynesworth said. "I'm getting back to basics, what got me to be one of the top defensive players in the NFL, and that's what I plan on doing."
Haynesworth said that new coach Mike Shanahan doesn't agree with the approach, but that Shanahan said he respects Haynesworth for being candid about it. Haynesworth also was very complimentary of the ability to approach and talk to Shanahan.
But the relationship is strained, for now. Haynesworth isn't happy with the switch to a 3-4, but he acknowledges that there's nothing he can do about it, given that he's under contract in D.C. "Whatever they ask me to do, that's what I'm gonna do," he said, with what seemed to be more than a hint of resignation in his voice.
Haynesworth also suggested that if he knew in early 2009 what he knows now, he possibly would have signed with a different team. He pointed to having "too many chiefs" in D.C., and while he stopped short of saying that owner Daniel Snyder is too involved, Haynesworth pointed out that Titans owner Bud Adams rarely was in the facility during Haynesworth's seven seasons in Tennessee.
Like I said when I started this thread, it looks like Haynesworth is becoming a problem. I don't care who you are, if you don't want to be here, you are not going to give 100%. Then if you're talking about a guy who has never played more than about 12 games and 60-70% of the snaps in those games, it is hard to see him playing all out for the Skins this year.
VetSkinsFan wrote: As recent as today, he's not even requesting a trade. He's said he'll do what is asked of him. He's working out with the same ppl that got him to the pro bowl. He and Shanahan/Haslett have had convo and none of them have shown anything negative towards him or his workout regimen that was established BEFORE the current administration was in place.
Where is that a problem?
He and Shanahan/Haslett have had convo and none of them have shown anything negative towards him or his workout regimen that was established BEFORE the current administration was in place.
Haynesworth said that new coach Mike Shanahan doesn't agree with the approach, but that Shanahan said he respects Haynesworth for being candid about it.
CanesSkins26 wrote:He and Shanahan/Haslett have had convo and none of them have shown anything negative towards him or his workout regimen that was established BEFORE the current administration was in place.
Not exactly...Haynesworth said that new coach Mike Shanahan doesn't agree with the approach, but that Shanahan said he respects Haynesworth for being candid about it.
Clearly Shanahan isn't happy that Haynesworth isn't working out with the team. Now, is it a big deal? No. But it's pretty obvious that there is some tension between Big Al and the team. As long as it doesn't turn from being something small (which it is now) to something big there is no real problem, but to pretend that everything is 100 percent cool is ignoring the obvious.
PulpExposure wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:He and Shanahan/Haslett have had convo and none of them have shown anything negative towards him or his workout regimen that was established BEFORE the current administration was in place.
Not exactly...Haynesworth said that new coach Mike Shanahan doesn't agree with the approach, but that Shanahan said he respects Haynesworth for being candid about it.
Clearly Shanahan isn't happy that Haynesworth isn't working out with the team. Now, is it a big deal? No. But it's pretty obvious that there is some tension between Big Al and the team. As long as it doesn't turn from being something small (which it is now) to something big there is no real problem, but to pretend that everything is 100 percent cool is ignoring the obvious.
I actually understand Haynesworth's position on this. He came to DC with assurances that he'd be allowed to play DT in a 4-3, as a penetrator. Then last year, he played different role than what he was told he would play. And now he's switching to a different position in a different defense.
I'd be pissed, too. I mean, he had other options, where he presumably would have been allowed to play the position as he wanted to. There's some amount of you having to be a good soldier, but imho if you can't trust the organization you work for to keep their word, you do have a right to be pissed off about it. And at this time, he's actually pretty mild in expressing his disappointment so far.
VetSkinsFan wrote:fleetus wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:"Last year, I worked out with the Redskins, and the year that we had and all that stuff wasn't great, by any means," Haynesworth said. "I'm getting back to basics, what got me to be one of the top defensive players in the NFL, and that's what I plan on doing."
Haynesworth said that new coach Mike Shanahan doesn't agree with the approach, but that Shanahan said he respects Haynesworth for being candid about it. Haynesworth also was very complimentary of the ability to approach and talk to Shanahan.
But the relationship is strained, for now. Haynesworth isn't happy with the switch to a 3-4, but he acknowledges that there's nothing he can do about it, given that he's under contract in D.C. "Whatever they ask me to do, that's what I'm gonna do," he said, with what seemed to be more than a hint of resignation in his voice.
Haynesworth also suggested that if he knew in early 2009 what he knows now, he possibly would have signed with a different team. He pointed to having "too many chiefs" in D.C., and while he stopped short of saying that owner Daniel Snyder is too involved, Haynesworth pointed out that Titans owner Bud Adams rarely was in the facility during Haynesworth's seven seasons in Tennessee.
Like I said when I started this thread, it looks like Haynesworth is becoming a problem. I don't care who you are, if you don't want to be here, you are not going to give 100%. Then if you're talking about a guy who has never played more than about 12 games and 60-70% of the snaps in those games, it is hard to see him playing all out for the Skins this year.
As recent as today, he's not even requesting a trade. He's said he'll do what is asked of him. He's working out with the same ppl that got him to the pro bowl. He and Shanahan/Haslett have had convo and none of them have shown anything negative towards him or his workout regimen that was established BEFORE the current administration was in place.
Where is that problem besides you not liking Haynesworth?
TeeterSalad wrote:Lavar tears into Big Al here....
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/03/lavar_arrington_slams_albert_h.html
vwoodzpusha wrote:TeeterSalad wrote:Lavar tears into Big Al here....
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/03/lavar_arrington_slams_albert_h.html
Wow...Lavar doesnt hold back....
He has some good points tho...