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crazyhorse1 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Countertrey wrote:I don't have high hopes. I would love for Larry to prove me wrong.

Let's just see how it plays out, nobody want's to be right or wrong... (well most of us) We just want the team to become better and if his signing aides in that mission, great. If it becomes a detriment, we have coaches who have shown they aren't going to be pushed over.

There's nothing that's going to hurt for long if it proves to be a thorn.

Shanahan's a push over. He not only over-estimates players he falls in love with, he also rescues guys like Larry Johnson. I wish you guys would stop dreaming up wonderful things to believe about Shanahan. It make me want to hurl. If I had to have heroes I'd go on down to the local high school and hang out with teachers.

redskins14ru wrote:How many " i wanna get a ring" comments have either of the two made or for that matter how many have been made league wide. ...
Over the hill or not Portis and Johnson will be fine, I am not certian if either one will commit what it takes to show us if their careers are are coming to an end. Now the question remains what will be done about it??? Shanahan clearly has the talent in the back field, no question...

fleetus wrote:

BurgundyandGoldfaith wrote:yup thats it, I'm more concerned about a less-high-profile criminal than probably about 50NFL players than I am about finishing 4-12. My vote is to back Shanahan and not act like a know it all. How many times did we get shut down on 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1? With Portis?

Screw it, it's so important to have flawless character on the team that we should draft the entire Harvard Football squad. No on will laugh at the Redskins in the NFC East.

We all knew the criticism would start immediately. God himself couldn't get a 60% approval rating in this city.

So the only options you know are 1) draft all Harvard players 2) sign players like LJ ???

(who ever said Harvard players would all be of good character anyway?)

I think it is obvious that everything will be fine IF LJ keeps his nose clean and plays hard. Hell, my bills will be fine too if someone drops a few hundred thousand in cash on my door step. It's all good

I like to LIKE the players I intend to root for. Call me silly or nostalgic. When the Skins score a TD, I like to think they are good guys, playing together with heart. Right now, knowing what I do about LJ, it'll be hard to root for him. I don't expect the Skins players to flawless. Just not woman beaters who have screwed up 5-6 times in that many NFL years. We can all hope he turns his life around this time.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Countertrey wrote:I don't have high hopes. I would love for Larry to prove me wrong.

Let's just see how it plays out, nobody want's to be right or wrong... (well most of us) We just want the team to become better and if his signing aides in that mission, great. If it becomes a detriment, we have coaches who have shown they aren't going to be pushed over.

There's nothing that's going to hurt for long if it proves to be a thorn.

Shanahan's a push over. He not only over-estimates players he falls in love with, he also rescues guys like Larry Johnson. I wish you guys would stop dreaming up wonderful things to believe about Shanahan. It make me want to hurl. If I had to have heroes I'd go on down to the local high school and hang out with teachers.

BurgundyandGoldfaith wrote:3.26ypc? Sounds like he was on some bad teams since he ran for 1700+

langleyparkjoe wrote:Let's go LJ!!!!! I mean, no sense in complaining about the dude, he's here now. As a RB for my team, good luck and stay da heck outta trouble!

VetSkinsFan wrote:Let's keep things in persepctive. In his 2009 campaign, he averaged 3.26 ypc. Don't cherry pick for an agenda.

CIN – 46/204/4.4
KC – 132/377/2.9
Tot – 178/581/3.264


He's production has deteriorated since his back to back 1700+ yd seasons. And he also hasn't played in a full season since. He's broke down, bad character, and I despise this pick up. I don't care if he paid Danny to play on the skins.

I hope he gets cut in camp.

Redskin in Canada wrote:We mus be desperate indeed.

El Mexican wrote:Just to put things in perspective, LJ had his best seasons when running behind a O-line that featured these gentlemen:

Casey Wiegmann (center)
Brian Waters (guard)
Will Shields (guard)
Willie Roaf (tackle)

I'm no KC football expert. I just got the names of google by typing "KC Oline" and found this

http://www.examiner.com/x-7168-Kansas-C ... nsive-line

Like most of you guys, I'm not sold on this signing. I'm not on Portis either.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

But thing have occurred... like Johnson has put up more yards since 2006 than CP over the same time frame.

He's also assaulted and spit on more women than CP over the same time frame. He's also been arrested more times, offended more fans, been suspended by his team and the NFL more times, and been released more often than CP. You can certainly question some of the football-related things that CP has done, but unlike LJ, CP isn't a racist, anti-social criminal that abuses women.

fleetus wrote:

El Mexican wrote:Just to put things in perspective, LJ had his best seasons when running behind a O-line that featured these gentlemen:

Casey Wiegmann (center)
Brian Waters (guard)
Will Shields (guard)
Willie Roaf (tackle)

I'm no KC football expert. I just got the names of google by typing "KC Oline" and found this

http://www.examiner.com/x-7168-Kansas-C ... nsive-line

Like most of you guys, I'm not sold on this signing. I'm not on Portis either.

Coincidentally, there were reports of the Skins bringing in Wiegmann for his expertise in the zone blocking scheme. He would be awesome to have as a backup Center/Guard.

1niksder wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

But thing have occurred... like Johnson has put up more yards since 2006 than CP over the same time frame.

He's also assaulted and spit on more women than CP over the same time frame. He's also been arrested more times, offended more fans, been suspended by his team and the NFL more times, and been released more often than CP. You can certainly question some of the football-related things that CP has done, but unlike LJ, CP isn't a racist, anti-social criminal that abuses women.

I'm not trying to defend anything the guy has done, nor will a make some foolish statement about it being in the past. I just saying there is not going to be a drop off if he goes in to spell CP.

LJ is a pretty good football player, I never said he was a man or that I liked him. He's a Redskins player now. Regardless of what he has done in the past, Redskins fans won't tolerate any pf it in Washington. But the guy hasn't been involed in any of that for a couple of years. I'm willing to bet if he does make the team, the first sign of his past returning, will have him looking for work shortly afterwards.

fleetus wrote:

El Mexican wrote:Just to put things in perspective, LJ had his best seasons when running behind a O-line that featured these gentlemen:

Casey Wiegmann (center)
Brian Waters (guard)
Will Shields (guard)
Willie Roaf (tackle)

I'm no KC football expert. I just got the names of google by typing "KC Oline" and found this

http://www.examiner.com/x-7168-Kansas-C ... nsive-line

Like most of you guys, I'm not sold on this signing. I'm not on Portis either.

Coincidentally, there were reports of the Skins bringing in Wiegmann for his expertise in the zone blocking scheme. He would be awesome to have as a backup Center/Guard.

Casey Wiegmann is back with KC

VetSkinsFan wrote:
Wasn't he cut LAST YEAR for the final straw being the racial slurs?

On November 9, 2009 ESPN wrote:In 2008, then-coach Herm Edwards benched him for three straight games for violating team rules and NFL commissioner Roger Goodell suspended him a fourth game for violating the league's player conduct policy.

Johnson was later sentenced to two years' probation after pleading guilty to two counts of disturbing the peace. One woman accused him of throwing a drink on her and another said he had pushed her head at a Kansas City night spot.

In April 2008, a special master ruled that in pleading guilty to disturbing the peace, Johnson had violated terms of his contract and the Chiefs could release him without having to pay about $3.5 million. In what now must be viewed as a huge mistake, they opted to keep him on the roster.

Getting benched for three games and suspended by the league for one cost him big. Then he lost another $315,000 for the gay slurs and tweeting. Last week, an online fan petition was started asking the Chiefs not to let Johnson become the team's all-time leading rusher.

Haley declined to say if Johnson's low production had any bearing on his release or whether the Chiefs' biggest concern were the slurs and the public criticism of his coach.

"It wouldn't be fair of me to try to comment on that in any way other than to say the totality of the situation was factored in -- what we felt was best for the Kansas City Chiefs," Haley said.

A month earlier ESPN wrote:The tweets were posted to the "Toonicon" account, an online alias the Star reported Johnson has said is his. The account includes a link to Johnson's personal Web site. Chiefs spokesman Bob Moore said the team could not verify that is Johnson's account.

The Twitter remarks were posted after San Diego routed the Chiefs (37-7).

One tweet read: "My father got more creditentials than most of these pro coaches." That was followed by: "My father played for the coach from "rememeber the titans". Our coach played golf. My father played for redskins briefley. Our coach. Nuthn."

Johnson's agent, Peter Schaffer, said, "I talked to Larry about it and he was focusing more on pumping up his father than anything else. He wasn't trying to downgrade anyone ... yes, everyone is frustrated after a loss like this but I wouldn't put too much into it."

The tweets drew responses, including one that referred to a nightclub incident in which Johnson was accused of spitting in someone's face.

Johnson's response included a three-letter gay slur. The final post read: "Make me regret it. Lmao. U don't stop my checks. Lmao. So 'tweet' away."

Johnson's account since has been made private.

Johnson then was sentenced to two years' probation after pleading guilty to two counts of disturbing the peace. One woman accused him of throwing a drink on her and another said he had pushed her head at a Kansas City night spot.

A judge earlier this year suspended the sentence and said he would remove the guilty plea from the public record if Johnson finished the probation period without further incidents.

Today Rick Maese of WaPo wrote:"He will take over the running back position," said Vermeil, who coached Johnson in Kansas City from 2003 to '05. "That's what I think. He'll push that guy right out of a job. Larry Johnson will work all week -- he'll work Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday -- and he'll make you start him on Sundays."

Johnson, sitting next to second-year running back Jamaal Charles, told reporters that “I’m not talking till Thursday,” his usual day of speaking with reporters.
In the wake of the Chiefs’ 37-7 loss to the San Diego Chargers on Sunday, Johnson tweeted about Haley’s lack of football-playing experience from a Twitter account that appears to be his.

Then Johnson turned away and whispered.

“Get your f***** ass out of here,” he said.

“My father got more creditentials than most of these pro coaches,” Johnson said. It was followed with, “My father played for the coach from “rememeber the titans”. Our coach played golf. My father played for redskins briefley. Our coach. Nuthn.”

Johnson continued the rant, and, in later responses directed toward Johnsons Twitter followers, contained inflammatory remarks about gays. In a reference to someones profile picture, Johnson called it a “f** pic” and called the person a “Christopher street boy,” a reference to a predominantly homosexual section in New York’s Greenwich Village. Johnson’s Twitter profile was taken private and some posts were deleted.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

1niksder wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

But thing have occurred... like Johnson has put up more yards since 2006 than CP over the same time frame.

He's also assaulted and spit on more women than CP over the same time frame. He's also been arrested more times, offended more fans, been suspended by his team and the NFL more times, and been released more often than CP. You can certainly question some of the football-related things that CP has done, but unlike LJ, CP isn't a racist, anti-social criminal that abuses women.

I'm not trying to defend anything the guy has done, nor will a make some foolish statement about it being in the past. I just saying there is not going to be a drop off if he goes in to spell CP.

LJ is a pretty good football player, I never said he was a man or that I liked him. He's a Redskins player now. Regardless of what he has done in the past, Redskins fans won't tolerate any pf it in Washington. But the guy hasn't been involed in any of that for a couple of years. I'm willing to bet if he does make the team, the first sign of his past returning, will have him looking for work shortly afterwards.

fleetus wrote:

El Mexican wrote:Just to put things in perspective, LJ had his best seasons when running behind a O-line that featured these gentlemen:

Casey Wiegmann (center)
Brian Waters (guard)
Will Shields (guard)
Willie Roaf (tackle)

I'm no KC football expert. I just got the names of google by typing "KC Oline" and found this

http://www.examiner.com/x-7168-Kansas-C ... nsive-line

Like most of you guys, I'm not sold on this signing. I'm not on Portis either.

Coincidentally, there were reports of the Skins bringing in Wiegmann for his expertise in the zone blocking scheme. He would be awesome to have as a backup Center/Guard.

Casey Wiegmann is back with KC

Wasn't he cut LAST YEAR for the final straw being the racial slurs?

CanesSkins26 wrote:In 09 He was suspended by the Chiefs and then cut two weeks later for criticizing Todd Haley on Twitter and using gay slurs.