McShay's Current take

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:41 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:Can Okung block DWare?

He blocked Okung. I think he can block Ware as well as anyone can.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:15 am

I would be very happy if we could get Okung - he'd be a big plus for any offensive line for many years AND he'd be most likely able to start immediately

If we end up taking Bradford we'd probably be looking at having a really good QB for many years but he'd most likely not start until Mike Shanahan felt he could handle the position and Kyle Shanahan had an offensive line that could both effectively run and play adequate pass protection - we are looking at a draft that seems fairly deep with offensive linemen and a lot of the guys coming out seem like they have had decent experience at more than one position on the line

I think the franchise is going to take advantage of this draft and an uncapped year - I'm sure that Snyder will support Allen and Shanahan and we will start the process of basically re-building this franchise back into a group of players that can be looked at as a team again

The most important part right now is to try and maximise the addition of players - we have a lot of needs but I think we have a good group at the controls right now and an owner that looks like he's going to support them and not interfere ..... for a while :roll:

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:48 am

SkinsJock wrote:I would be very happy if we could get Okung - he'd be a big plus for any offensive line for many years AND he'd be most likely able to start immediately

If we end up taking Bradford we'd probably be looking at having a really good QB for many years but he'd most likely not start until Mike Shanahan felt he could handle the position and Kyle Shanahan had an offensive line that could both effectively run and play adequate pass protection

This seems like a better argument to take a QB if one is evaluated as franchise type. Why take an OL now and not even start developing the longer cycle QB position until next year? Doesn't that just push us out even further to contend for the big game? You can't believe with Okung we're at that level this year can you?

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:10 am

You're right Kaz - let me be clear here - If Shanahan has a choice between Okung or either of the QBs AND he thinks the QB can be really good for many years he should take the QB for the very reason that by the time we get an offensive line in place, we have a QB ready to go and not just a QB that might be really good (like, if we take one in the later rounds) but a guy that Shanahan thinks will be really good - that's good enough for me

We need to have a really good offensive line and I believe these guys will ensure that they have one - while they are building that line and acquiring the depth needed along that line, it would be the best thing to have the QB in place to run the offense behind that line when both are ready

IF these guys think that they can get a really good QB then they should do that - other than that, they really need to get a really good offensive line in here with some quality depth as well - but that is critical to any team

This franchise needs a special QB and I think that Bradord is going to be special - hopefully he's there at 4 because if Okung is not there, I'm not as convinced about Claussen
but ... what do I know :roll:

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:53 am

I don't think it will take that long for a QB to develop as you think. Let's take a look at a team that has one of the better O-line's in the NFL and brought in a QB after they set it up. The NY Jets. They've been able to be competitive over the past few seasons while they put together an offensive line - even with a bad previous coach.

Call me old school but I'm all about building your teams from the line's out. No QB is goign to be able to make a play if there is no time to throw the ball. No RB is going to be able to run the ball if there are no holes - result if we have about the same line as last year 4-12 at the most.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:11 am

I really think we could do both...draft a top tier OT at #4 AND draft a QB. LeFevour is pretty darn good and could be picked up in the 2nd or third rounds. He will need some time to work behind a vet (Campbell) but I think the kid has some real upside. I really hope we trade down to 9 with the Bills and pick up another 2nd round pick or a third and a 6.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:00 am

frankcal20 wrote:I don't think it will take that long for a QB to develop as you think. Let's take a look at a team that has one of the better O-line's in the NFL and brought in a QB after they set it up. The NY Jets. They've been able to be competitive over the past few seasons while they put together an offensive line - even with a bad previous coach.

Call me old school but I'm all about building your teams from the line's out. No QB is goign to be able to make a play if there is no time to throw the ball. No RB is going to be able to run the ball if there are no holes - result if we have about the same line as last year 4-12 at the most.

The Jets were sick in the running game. Sanchez was meh. And their defense was realy strong, too.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:26 am

Sounds similar to what we could be right with the right offensive line.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:40 am

VetSkinsFan wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:I don't think it will take that long for a QB to develop as you think. Let's take a look at a team that has one of the better O-line's in the NFL and brought in a QB after they set it up. The NY Jets. They've been able to be competitive over the past few seasons while they put together an offensive line - even with a bad previous coach.
Call me old school but I'm all about building your teams from the line's out. No QB is goign to be able to make a play if there is no time to throw the ball. No RB is going to be able to run the ball if there are no holes - result if we have about the same line as last year 4-12 at the most.

The Jets were sick in the running game. Sanchez was meh. And their defense was realy strong, too.

I agree with you Frank, the offensive and defensive lines are really important - I just think that, this year, our offensive line will be better (how big a leap of faith is that, really?) - BUT, if we get Bradford it will be because these guys think he's a really good QB - the only thing will then be to get him ready to play in the NFL AND to put him behind a line that can protect him
IF we get Bradford there will still be a big effort to have a decent O line in place here - I don't think Kyle is going to play Bradford behind a line that might interfere with his future - there are a lot of offensive linemen both free agents and in the draft that are going to be getting a good chance here because that will be a focus of the coaches I'm sure

IF we don't get Bradford then we'll just have to hope we can find a decent QB because IMO this franchise needs a special guy as our QB and leader - we are going to have many more players to choose from to make the line a lot better - let's face it, building a line that's better and more effective than what we saw last year is not going to be too much of a problem - finding a really good QB is a little more difficult

We can have our cake and eat it too - we need to have a really good line and we will - we also need to have a really good QB - IF Bradford is going to be really good and he's available we take him - IF Bradford is gone then I hope we take Okung, he's looking very good too and will be a force here for many years

I just hope we get Bradford because he's looking like a great prospect at QB

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:47 am

See I think that the line as a whole are more important than a QB. A good line will make a mediocre QB look Good - not great but good. But a bad O line can make a good QB look bad - see Matt Hasselbeck the last 3 years.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:53 am

Okung will be a really great addition but it looks like Bradford will be a better QB than Stafford or Sanchez - that's a QB that you cannot pass up IF you get the chance :wink:

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:40 am

Who's saying that? And if so, he's not going to be around when we pick. Rams need a QB and my Gut is that he's going to go there.

But in looking at the top QB's in the draft this year, all have question marks - Bradford and the shoulder, Claussen and the toe - leadership, McCoy - size, arm strength and that wierd injury he had, and Tebow - which we all know and have discussed endlessly.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:43 am

frankcal20 wrote:Who's saying that? And if so, he's not going to be around when we pick. Rams need a QB and my Gut is that he's going to go there.

But in looking at the top QB's in the draft this year, all have question marks - Bradford and the shoulder, Claussen and the toe - leadership, McCoy - size, arm strength and that wierd injury he had, and Tebow - which we all know and have discussed endlessly.

Hey Frank, if what they're sayin is true bout McNabb going to the Rams does that change your thinking my friend? Jus curious (Bradford I'm talkin about)

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:53 am

From what I've read, Philly wants their #1 pick for McNabb. They are nuts b/c no one's going to give the #1 pick in the draft for a QB on the downside of his career. That's why I would think that they may just be asking to switch 1st round picks and then Philly getting a later round pick as well. But let's just say it happens, as the Redskins I try to move out of that spot . Here are the teams I could see wanting a QB:

1. Seattle #6 & #14
2. Cleveland #7
3. Oakland #8
4. Buffalo #9
5. Bronco's #11

Any of these teams can move up to pick Bradford if he's available b/c no one is talking about any of the other QB's being legit contenders with Bradford. But keep in mind that Bradford still has a pro-day and depending on how that turns out, that'll determine a lot.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:56 am

frankcal20 wrote:From what I've read, Philly wants their #1 pick for McNabb. They are nuts b/c no one's going to give the #1 pick in the draft for a QB on the downside of his career. That's why I would think that they may just be asking to switch 1st round picks and then Philly getting a later round pick as well. But let's just say it happens, as the Redskins I try to move out of that spot . Here are the teams I could see wanting a QB:

1. Seattle #6 & #14
2. Cleveland #7
3. Oakland #8
4. Buffalo #9
5. Bronco's #11

Any of these teams can move up to pick Bradford if he's available b/c no one is talking about any of the other QB's being legit contenders with Bradford. But keep in mind that Bradford still has a pro-day and depending on how that turns out, that'll determine a lot.

Good points.. 1-4 ESPECIALLY need a QB.. Broncos I don't think need one so much.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:58 am

Actually Denver's QB is going to be a FA this year and his backup is Simms.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:01 pm

Simms???? Oh yea, in that case I'd have to agree 100% with that than. :lol:

Even if it means signing Orten for a year just to have a rookie sit it out cause Simms is just horrible. I hate his dad too (when he played) :lol:

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:40 am

frankcal20 wrote:From what I've read, Philly wants their #1 pick for McNabb. They are nuts b/c no one's going to give the #1 pick in the draft for a QB on the downside of his career. That's why I would think that they may just be asking to switch 1st round picks and then Philly getting a later round pick as well. But let's just say it happens, as the Redskins I try to move out of that spot . Here are the teams I could see wanting a QB:

1. Seattle #6 & #14
2. Cleveland #7
3. Oakland #8
4. Buffalo #9
5. Bronco's #11

Any of these teams can move up to pick Bradford if he's available b/c no one is talking about any of the other QB's being legit contenders with Bradford. But keep in mind that Bradford still has a pro-day and depending on how that turns out, that'll determine a lot.

They may not be so nuts. I can see Al Davis giving up a 1st round pick for McNab.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:11 am

Nah - McNabb is too slow. He'd give up a 1st for Mike Vick though.