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We have been given the indication that Allen would not have come here without an assurance that Snyder would allow him to be the GM and the authority to get that job done

I hope the same is true of Shanahan if he comes here and (as seems likely) becomes the HC and President

I truly hope that there is a clause in their contracts that includes a significant payout and the ability for either to leave the franchise if Snyder interferes with how they manage this franchise AT ALL - that will be interesting


this franchise has no chance for putting a consistently competitive product on the field until Snyder allows people that know what they're doing to do their jobs without his 'help' or meddling



does anyone really think we could win a Super Bowl with Snyder's way of managing this franchise?

Tuesday 9:00am and no Shanahan, what gives?

Not signing Shanahan immediately means that Shanahan is most likely trying to ensure that he's getting the best 'deal' (including the most money) he can out of Snyder

I think this will get done in the next day ... BUT ... if he has not signed by Thursday, we are most likely not seeing Shanahan as our HC this season

that could be interesting

tribeofjudah wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:The key is to see if Snyder keeps his hands free of the personnel decisions. Not to see if he's involved in selecting the next guy he's going to pay to run his franchise.

An owner can do WHATEVER he/she pleases.

A WISE owner should limit his choices to picking the GM and/or President. After that, his role diminishes GREATLY. Most good owners get involved as part of the process to a LIMITED extent, such as JKC in the hiring of that unknown Joe Gibbs almost 30 years ago.

After that, wise owners should not only refrain from making personnel decisions but ALL other decisions on the football side of the operations, such as other coaches hirings, who plays or who does not, bypassing coaches with direct communications with players, drafting, player acquisitions, etc.

In other words, wise owners do not meddle. Good owners do not play fantasy football. Wise owners let the best people do the best job they were hired to do.

We have no signal yet that Daniel Snyder is not meddling. He does not have the benefit of the doubt for some of us. He would if he was a new owner. With over a decade of bad habits, it is difficult to believe otherwise.

The Washington Redskins have become the graveyard of coaches, good and bad coaches. Let us hope that Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan know that and acquired sufficient control to save their careers and reputations.

It's rumored that Shanahan may be Team President, too. Then it wouldn't be meddling.

The guilty until proven innocent routine is old. We'll win a Super Bowl and some people still won't be happy.

I'm so confused: What is the heirachy of a team? Who is the TOP DOG?

1. GM
2. President
3. HC

Do I have this right?

Generally, it would be:
1. Team President
2. GM
3. HC

Gibbs4Life wrote:Tuesday 9:00am and no Shanahan, what gives?

I was watching channel 4 news this morning and they were speculating that there wouldn't be an announcement until later in the week. No link since I watched it on TV ~6am this morning.

PulpExposure wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:putting Snyder's ownership in the same context as the Rooney family is an insult to our intelligence

You missed the point of it. When it comes to hiring a coach, even "hands off" owners like the Rooneys are involved in the hiring process. It's normal to do so.

It'd be idiotic for an owner NOT to be involved in hiring his franchise's next head coach.

The key is to see if Snyder keeps his hands free of the personnel decisions. Not to see if he's involved in selecting the next guy he's going to pay to run his franchise.

It's normal for an owner to be involved, but not spearheading the search. Danny was the one that picked him up at the airport, he's staying at Snyder's house, Snyder was talking to Shanahan prior to Allen being hired, etc. That's where the problem is. Of course it's normal for an owner to interview a guy that he is going to pay millions to, however, it is not normal for an owner to be acting like a GM the way that Snyder is. But, like you said, what really matters in the end is what role Snyder plays in personnel decisions. If he stays away from that I could care less about what else he does.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:putting Snyder's ownership in the same context as the Rooney family is an insult to our intelligence

You missed the point of it. When it comes to hiring a coach, even "hands off" owners like the Rooneys are involved in the hiring process. It's normal to do so.

It'd be idiotic for an owner NOT to be involved in hiring his franchise's next head coach.

The key is to see if Snyder keeps his hands free of the personnel decisions. Not to see if he's involved in selecting the next guy he's going to pay to run his franchise.

It's normal for an owner to be involved, but not spearheading the search. Danny was the one that picked him up at the airport, he's staying at Snyder's house, Snyder was talking to Shanahan prior to Allen being hired, etc. That's where the problem is. Of course it's normal for an owner to interview a guy that he is going to pay millions to, however, it is not normal for an owner to be acting like a GM the way that Snyder is. But, like you said, what really matters in the end is what role Snyder plays in personnel decisions. If he stays away from that I could care less about what else he does.

Allen probably doesn't have a house worthy of hosting yet...remember the GM's only been here a few weeks.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:Tuesday 9:00am and no Shanahan, what gives?

I was watching channel 4 news this morning and they were speculating that there wouldn't be an announcement until later in the week. No link since I watched it on TV ~6am this morning.

I read yesterday on espn insider that Bugel would be retiring (today, most likely) and out of respect to his service to the Skins' that they wouldn't be announcing a new head coach until Buges has the opportunity to address his retirement.

chiefhog44 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

DEHog wrote:Why is he meeting with Snyder??

Boy oh Boy - Snyder is really handling this in such a classy way that it makes me very worried about how much he has to do with the re-building around here

this looks like Snyder is still running things

would Bruce Allen handle this this way? really

AND if it is not Bruce Allen, then who is running this franchise and what is happening today?

please explain that Snyder is not running this franchise right now
he said he had turned it over to Bruce Allen and now are we to believe that Bruce Allen sent the plane to pick up Shanahan on the same day we let Zorn go?

Dude. Get a grip. Owners are involved in the coaching search all the time.

For example, the beloved Rooneys...well when they interviewed candidates to replace Tomlin, they used a 3 person search/interview committee. 2 of those 3 people were Rooneys; the 3rd was the GM.

I totally agree. I'm sitting here reading this and wondering the same thing. Rooney is very involved with the coaching hires...I know, my in-laws are part of the ownership there and they were saying that Rooney met with Tomlin a bunch of times before hiring him. Settle down guys, this is very normal.

You guys are missing the point!! First things first…Rooney and Snyder are both owners and that about where the similarities end…can we please not compare Snyder to Rooney!!
Second in your example did you notice the GM was INCLUDED in the decision of picking a HC…when was the last time or first time Snyder included a GM in that decision??
Anyway the big picture here is that Snyder has 11 years of damage (that came to a head this year) to undo…I’m not suggesting that he not be involved at all I’m saying that he needs to step back and let Bruce take the lead…it will go a long way in repairing his image with fans like me. Why is it every time I hear about the Redskins I hear Dan Snyder name?? It is because he has the final say on all things football…and before you say of course look at any team around the league…Well when I hear about the Browns all I hear is Holmgren…The Dolphins…Parcells…why it that…you know why because they have final say on football decision. How is DS suppose to evaluate any GM?? We all wanted Vinny gone...why; because we thought he was a bad GM?? Of course not...we know Vinny didn’t make decisions...we wanted him gone so that we could bring a football guy that Snyder would hand over control to…I haven’t seen any proof of that yet…have you??? By all account Snyder hired a coach and asked him who he wanted as GM. And now it’s being reported that he will be the team president…doesn’t that position outrank the GM??

Thanks DEHog - we just do not see a clear indication from Snyder that he has turned the team over to Allen as he indicated he was going to do

nobody is naive enough to think Snyder will not be somewhat involved BUT this bottom dwelling slime knows how to get things done and not appear as if it's his doing - a lot of what is happening looks like what we have seen around here BEFORE Allen came in

we need Snyder to stop interfering is all - he's a liar and he has done nothing but hurt this franchise

skinsfan#33 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Jake wrote:He just got off the plane and went into a limo... we'll see how quickly they can rush him to Redskins Park. I'm sure he's there by now. It's only a few minutes away.

The link said the plane landed at Dulles at 10:45 AM local time and it was 84 degrees and cloudy. I don't want to point out the desparity in temp as a caution to this being a fake, but something is not right!

There's nothing fake about the story. A reporter from NBC saw him and tried to talk to him.

Here's a pic as he got off the plane...

Wow a picture of Mike Ratahan! That couldn't fake. That light jacket is exactly what I would where leaving Denver (very cold) coming to Ashburn, below freezing.

But hey it was in the news it has to be true. Heck Ratahan was at Redskins park last week according to Fox 5!

I'll believe he is the coach when they have a presser to introduce Ratahan.

Yes, I'm sure you're right. It's a conspiracy between Dan Hellie, Lindsey Czarniak, and Adam Schefter to dupe Redskins fans into believing that Shanahan is really in DC when he is actually back home in Denver. Tricky, tricky media

OOPS! I hadn't seen the news yet. But I still stand by the fact that he was tremendously underdressed for the weather.

Well it's not like he's going to be waiting outside for the bus. Warm airplane, to warm airport, to a limo in which I'm sure the heat works. A light jacket is better when doing that kind of travel since you'll be carrying it more than wearing it.

Plus, I'm sure it get's colder in Denver than it does in DC. 28-degrees might not be as bad as what he's gotten used to in mile high. When my uncle flies in from Alaska, he walks around in shorts and a tank top. Of course in Fairbanks, 0 is a pretty warm day.

Bob 0119 wrote: Of course in Fairbanks, 0 is a pretty warm day.

Ah, no it isn't! It may not be bitter cold, but 0 is never "warm" I don't care where you are at.

I spent a week in Salt Lake City one Christmas and I don't think it was ever above 12 degrees and mostly single digits. It was flipping cold, but when I landed in Norkolk and it was 38 and raining I felt way colder, but 5 degrees is still flipping cold.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote: Of course in Fairbanks, 0 is a pretty warm day.

Ah, no it isn't! It may not be bitter cold, but 0 is never "warm" I don't care where you are at.

I spent a week in Salt Lake City one Christmas and I don't think it was ever above 12 degrees and mostly single digits. It was flipping cold, but when I landed in Norkolk and it was 38 and raining I felt way colder, but 5 degrees is still flipping cold.

Oh, I'm with ya, but when you've lived for many years in an area where the average temperature is -30 to -60, it's amazing what you can get used to.

We have a family pic taken outside many christmases ago where the whole family is bundled up in parka's and a wind chill of 17 degrees, and he's dressed for the beach!

Gibbs4Life wrote:Calling the man Ratahan is disrespectfull and childish

Would you prefer ferret face?

Didn't Allen say before the Monday night game against the G-strings that he had total control over the hiring of the next coach, if in fact Zorn was to be fired?

VetSkinsFan wrote:The guilty until proven innocent routine is old. We'll win a Super Bowl and some people still won't be happy.

Old but true and the fans need proof of "promises" before he can regain our trust.

As far as the second sentence goes, let us wait until it happens and you'll find out. It seems to me that the last time this happened we were not even members of this board. So, there is no way to tell about myself or many others. Let's win it first and make accusations later, shall we?

Deadskins wrote:Didn't Allen say before the Monday night game against the G-strings that he had total control over the hiring of the next coach, if in fact Zorn was to be fired?

Yes I beleive it was right after Shanahah hire him