Pasquarelli on Campbell

[CanesSkins26]

I personally thing that he has all the tools it takes to be a good NFL QB

Please explain what tools he has that will make him a good NFL qb.

Do you think that he shows good touch on his passes?

Do you think that he has good pocket presence?

Do you think that he does a good job of reading defenses and finding his open receivers?

Do you think that he throws an accurate deep ball?

Do you think that he has a killer instict and is aggressive throwing the football?

Do you think that he is good at hitting his receivers in stride and letting them run with the football?

What type of NFL system do you think that he is best suited for?

[frankcal20]

Basically, all you did was take one statement I made and turn the questions back on me. We can go back and forth but like you and I have said in the past many times, we'll just agree to disagree on Jason Campbell.

[skinsfan#33]

I still think that JC's in the wrong system. He's not going to be Montana or Marino, but in a vertical game with a average line or better, he would be a lot better. Victim of circumstances.

Only problem with that is he is a terrible down field passer! He isn't an average down field passer or a bad down field passer, he is a terrible down field passer!

[SkinsJock]

to be good at getting the ball to a receiver downfield you must also be good at reading defenses - one of the reasons that Campbell does not throw many interceptions is that he will not take chances because he is not sure what is happening in the defensive backfield

[skinsfan#33]

He was drafted 25th overall (one pick after Aaron Rogers! Arg!) and since then he's played in 3 pro offenses.

He may have been on the team with three pro offense, but he has only played under two.

Two in four years!

I always new Fat Lenny new very little about football, now I know he knows less than that.

If we get a 3rd round pick for JC we should feel good. If we get a 2nd we should feel ecstatic!

[frankcal20]

to be good at getting the ball to a receiver downfield you must also be good at reading defenses - one of the reasons that Campbell does not throw many interceptions is that he will not take chances because he is not sure what is happening in the defensive backfield :roll:

See, I would say that the WR's can't get open. Reference Game 1 vs NYG's when Moss was going up against Rookie WR's who've been lite up.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

Underappreciated in Washington

Underappreciated, my ass. Campbell has gotten as fair a shot as anyone could ask for, if not more so. He just isn't producing like he needs to be. Yes, we have problems on the O-line and we have receivers who can't catch the ball. But that doesn't mean Campbell isn't a problem.

This is Patrick Ramsey all over again. I would bet money that Campbell never starts on a playoff team if he leaves the Redskins. In fact, I suspect he wouldn't start with any regularity, and that three years from now you'd have to use Google just to know what team he is on.

Starting-caliber quarterbacks such as Campbell almost never become available in the NFL.

Uhh . . . only 2-3 times a year. Exaggerate much, Lenny?

If he possesses a maddening weakness, it's in his inability to protect the football; he has fumbled 30 times (lost 12) since the beginning of the '07 season.

Words that could only be spoken by someone who hasn't watched Campbell play. Fumbling the ball is far from being his only or even most maddening weakness. Quick decision making, accuracy, and killer instinct concerns for me rank much higher on the list.

Campbell is not the classic "touch" passer. Instead, he's a quarterback with superb pocket stature (6-foot-5, 230 pounds) and a strong right arm, and is much better throwing the ball vertically than he is completing 5-yard timing routes.

OK, Lenny has definitely convinced me he doesn't watch Campbell. When was the last time JC threw a 40-yard beauty of a ball, right on target? It happens, but not often enough. Certainly not enough to call that his strength.

You think Steve Young would have developed into a Hall of Fame quarterback if he had not been traded from Tampa Bay to San Francisco? Hall of Famer Sonny Jurgensen, an influential confidant of Washington owner Dan Snyder, originated his career with the Philadelphia Eagles, not the Redskins, with whom he is most associated. Even the much-traveled Vinny Testaverde wasn't successful until he finally left the Bucs after six seasons.

What?!? "Here's a list of several great quarterbacks who happened to be traded." Uh, thanks, Lenny. Neat info. Relevance?

I'm a bit disappointed, SF55 . . . that may have been the worst Campbell article I've seen in months. It's basically Lenny saying "hey, maybe a new team would turn this kid into an all-star!" Well, OK. Maybe. But if his past play is any indication . . . that ain't happening any time soon.

Oh SNAP!!!

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[SkinsJock]

to be good at getting the ball to a receiver downfield you must also be good at reading defenses - one of the reasons that Campbell does not throw many interceptions is that he will not take chances because he is not sure what is happening in the defensive backfield

See, I would say that the WR's can't get open. Reference Game 1 vs NYG's when Moss was going up against Rookie WR's who've been lite up.

no worries Frank - you are obviously continuing to only see and feel good things about this QB - most here agree that he's not the problem but very few feel that even given adequate support from the other 10 guys on offense this team would have a good chance at being a consistent scoring machine with Campbell as the QB

the problem is not that Campbell does not have the talent or the potential - Campbell is a good QB but he is not good enough to be able to make the other players on offense better - this guy just does not make any of us think that if we had the players around him, he would find a way to get the win - to be a good QB in the NFL you have to be a difference maker in some way and that is why I think we will not only not see him start any more games after this year but I think that this team will not even want him around


AND as FFA points out in his post this article by FAT lenny is so wrong on so many counts it just confirms how stupid he is and that he's consistently so wrong in what he 'reports' that you have to wonder if he's even seen the players play
HOWEVER I would love for some other team to think that Campbell just needs a change of scenery to be successful - enough to give us a draft pick

[Redskin in Canada]

AND as FFA points out in his post this article by FAT lenny is so wrong on so many counts it just confirms how stupid he is and that he's consistently so wrong in what he 'reports' that you have to wonder if he's even seen the players play
HOWEVER I would love for some other team to think that Campbell just needs a change of scenery to be successful - enough to give us a draft pick

NOOOOOOOOO !!!

Pastabelly is RIGHT !!!!

He needs a new team with new scenery and different players to be GREAT and show us how good he really is. He is like ... hmmmmm .... Brett Favre being traded from Atlanta to Green Bay !!! He will light it up WHEREVER he goes.

PS. Irn-Bru and Joko, you are not helping with your posts.

Good job Frank, keeep it up my good friend.

[SkinsJock]

True dat

I really do hope that in the next 7 games, Campbell can show that he is a future HOF QB
I just hope and pray that he is not wearing B&G next year

[CanesSkins26]

True dat

I really do hope that in the next 7 games, Campbell can show that he is a future HOF QB
I just hope and pray that he is not wearing B&G next year

JC and Hall of Fame should never be mentioned in the same sentence.

[RayNAustin]

I think that Redskin fans have been secretly infected with a little known .. and totally misunderstood disease identified by scientists as "Campbelitus Hallafamousus".

The condition begins with unrealistic views of accomplishment, followed by hallucinations of pro bowl calibre performances which SLOWLY leads to a complete breakdown of the lower synapses of the brain, and it's inability to distinguish olfactory neuron transmission of very foul odors and mistaking them for a pleasant, perfume like fragrance.

[VetSkinsFan]

I think that Redskin fans have been secretly infected with a little known .. and totally misunderstood disease identified by scientists as "Campbelitus Hallafamousus".

The condition begins with unrealistic views of accomplishment, followed by hallucinations of pro bowl calibre performances which SLOWLY leads to a complete breakdown of the lower synapses of the brain, and it's inability to distinguish olfactory neuron transmission of very foul odors and mistaking them for a pleasant, perfume like fragrance.

I expected better from you, Ray. One liners are one liners for a reason.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I still think that JC's in the wrong system

Systems are to get people open. His ongoing and repeated inability to hit open receivers is him.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I think that Redskin fans have been secretly infected with a little known .. and totally misunderstood disease identified by scientists as "Campbelitus Hallafamousus"

Yes, a disease you weren't able to back up when challenged. You came up with TWO quotes, one I accepted as a gift. You are consistent my friend. I always agreed you believed what you were saying.

[markshark84]

I don't ever really remember him being a large factor in a game like the combo of Betts and Rock where this past weekend.

Then I guess you have mentally blocked out the first half of last season.....

But, I will say this: I do agree with you that a combo of backs is better for this team than one single featured back. You need fresh legs.

[VetSkinsFan]

I still think that JC's in the wrong system

Systems are to get people open. His ongoing and repeated inability to hit open receivers is him.

Yeah, a system doesn't have anything to do with the QB in reads, timing or ANYTHING else directed QB related What was I thinking.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I still think that JC's in the wrong system

Systems are to get people open. His ongoing and repeated inability to hit open receivers is him.

Yeah, a system doesn't have anything to do with the QB in reads, timing or ANYTHING else directed QB related What was I thinking.

Hmm. Sarcasm works better if used to somehow disagree with my point. I said that once the receiver is open it's his job to hit him and you don't actually seem to counter that anywhere, just roll your eyes over points I didn't contradict.

In the passing game, reads lead to getting receivers open. Timing is to get receivers open. Not what sure the "ANYTHING" means. But what difference does any of that make if once open JC can't hit the receiver? How is a different system going to help him throw a catchable ball to an open receiver?

[SkinsJock]

I certainly hope that whatever teams are interested in Campbell pay more attention to the guys who can see the potential in this guy like Lenny, Frank and Vet and not to the guys that obviously have some kind of agenda against him

I'm telling you - all this guy needs is an opportunity and surely being selected by Gibbs has got to get us at least a 2nd round pick

[KazooSkinsFan]

I certainly hope that whatever teams are interested in Campbell pay more attention to the guys who can see the potential in this guy like Lenny, Frank and Vet and not to the guys that obviously have some kind of agenda against him

Yes, I want a black quarterback to fail. I mean the lily white media wants a black quarterback to succeed. I mean..um...

Ironic that only people who disagree with posters of particular points who can't really support them have "agendas." They don't, people who agree with them don't, only people who disagree with them and saying "they" have an "agenda" sure is easier then defending a point.

Dude, do you watch the games and see JC missing one open receiver after another? I made that point in the off season and whoa, it's happening again. But I guess I wouldn't care about his ability to hit open receivers if I didn't have an "agenda."

OK, here's my agenda. I want a quarterback who is able to throw a catchable ball on a consistent basis to an open receiver. Wow, it feels great to come out of the closet.

[SkinsJock]

I certainly hope that whatever teams are interested in Campbell pay more attention to the guys who can see the potential in this guy like Lenny, Frank and Vet and not to the guys that obviously have some kind of agenda against him

Yes, I want a black quarterback to fail. I mean the lily white media wants a black quarterback to succeed. I mean..um...
Ironic that only people who disagree with posters of particular points who can't really support them have "agendas." They don't, people who agree with them don't, only people who disagree with them and saying "they" have an "agenda" sure is easier then defending a point.
Dude, do you watch the games and see JC missing one open receiver after another? I made that point in the off season and whoa, it's happening again. But I guess I wouldn't care about his ability to hit open receivers if I didn't have an "agenda."
OK, here's my agenda. I want a quarterback who is able to throw a catchable ball on a consistent basis to an open receiver. Wow, it feels great to come out of the closet.

I love when someone calls me names, especially somebody who is SO oblivious to what is really going on here

what kind of draft pick do you think we are going to get if anybody listens to you - FORTUNATELY for this team NOBODY LISTENS TO YOU ANYWAY

WAKE UP KAZOO - this is about getting a draft pick for someone who is quite possibly not going to be worth anything if he keeps playing the way he has been playing

I am NOT a Campbell fan - GOT IT

TRY & PAY ATTENTION for crying out loud -

AND - I am not a DUDE

[Scottskins]

I've been a big supporter of Campbells potential, but I've recently begun to see that his shortcomings aren't getting better and maybe they are natural and not learned. They are 1-He has a slow release 2-He makes slow decisions 3-He doesn't "feel" pressure coming. I think he could turn into a Mark Rypien type QB if he had a good offensive line. I doubt he'll ever get that situation though...

oh yeah, and this article is just another Redskins bashing article. It has nothing to do with Fat Lenny actually liking Campbell...

[Countertrey]

I certainly hope that whatever teams are interested in Campbell pay more attention to the guys who can see the potential in this guy like Lenny, Frank and Vet and not to the guys that obviously have some kind of agenda against him

Yes, I want a black quarterback to fail. I mean the lily white media wants a black quarterback to succeed. I mean..um...

Ironic that only people who disagree with posters of particular points who can't really support them have "agendas." They don't, people who agree with them don't, only people who disagree with them and saying "they" have an "agenda" sure is easier then defending a point.

Dude, do you watch the games and see JC missing one open receiver after another? I made that point in the off season and whoa, it's happening again. But I guess I wouldn't care about his ability to hit open receivers if I didn't have an "agenda."

OK, here's my agenda. I want a quarterback who is able to throw a catchable ball on a consistent basis to an open receiver. Wow, it feels great to come out of the closet.

I love when someone calls me names especially somebody who is ALWAYS oblivious to what is really going on here - what kind of draft pick do you think we are going to get if anybody listens to you - FORTUNATELY for this team NOBODY LISTENS TO YOU ANYWAY
WAKE UP KAZOO - this is about getting a draft pick for someone who is quite possibly not going to be worth anything if he keeps playing the way he has been playing

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON HERE - I am NOT a Campbell fan - GOT IT

PAY ATTENTION for crying out loud -

I am not your DUDE

Right. Just how do you plan to get all those GM's and owners to NOT look at the same film that any of us can watch to see how effective Jason ACTUALLY is?

[SkinsJock]

actually - all we have to hope is that somebody out there is just looking for that QB that "has all the tools ..." and just needs a "team" to "blossom"

I have it! - lets spread the word that Campbell is the next Rich Gannon - don't laugh now! all we need is a little more "support" from FAT Lenny and we'll get a bunch of GMs thinking "the Redskins made a mistake in how they used this guy - he's got a cannon ..... "

oh my! can we get a 3rd round pick ....... please

[Redskin in Canada]

Right. Just how do you plan to get all those GM's and owners to NOT look at the same film that any of us can watch to see how effective Jason ACTUALLY is?

It is not about who he IS. Instead, it is about what a different coach CAN do with his abilities. It is is about creating the idea of untapped potential. It is about the wrong guy in the wrong system and in the wrong team.

OK, several of us are not saying that we BELIEVE this but we are saying that it is not impossible.

We would not do this as advicers to GMs but I am sure that there are WORSE QBs than JC in the NFL. And this is what makes me think that he still has some trade value for teams which can improve from where they are at QB now.