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CanesSkins26 wrote:

I think the booing was directed more, if not entirely, towards Zorn not the players. We have no reason to be upset with the players except maybe Hall.

No reason to be upset with the players? Look, the playcalling was poor, but both Sellers and Thomas dropped td passes. Campbell missed a likely TD pass to Kelly. The execution, on offense mainly, was terrible.

The execution was close to excellent. The passing was excellent with few exceptions. Zorn's play calling in the red zone was unbelievably horrible and really the only negative story worth reporting. Please don't blame execution for the team's failure to run the football. There's a difference between poor execution and the simple failure to have players who can block for the run.
Our old guys can pass block because they have savvy. They can't run block because they're over powered and likely to be driven backward when they can't open a hole, which will become more frequent as the season goes on. We live and or die by the pass this year, like it or not.

Don't kid yourself. The passing was anemic. Dinks and dunks everywhere. Gutless.

I don't know or care who's fault is it: either Campbell not taking the shots downfield or Zorn calling no-risk plays. The botton line is, it's pretty anemic. Most football games are won by the big passing plays, at least one or tow per game. We won't be competitive until we start to make those types of plays.

And yes, suddenly, we found out our O-line is pretty fragile after shouting about it most of last year and the entire offseason. Our running game was shameful today against one of the doormats of the NFL.

This team is about to implode.

Seriously, were you all at the game? I was there and I saw a fan base that basically was apathetic. In the past my section has been one of the worst at yelling at players. Today, I didn't hear one boo or negative reaction directed at a player. I heard a few boos about play selection, but I didn't hear the Skins favorite chant of "Put in the Back-up QB" or "Campbell Stinks". I basically saw a bunch of fans who didn't care. As I left the stadium it was almost as if I was leaving a lecture. Few people were commenting about the game...much less caring about what they just saw. To tell you the truth, I was about the same. I am gradually emotionally divesting myself from this team.

I had to go home and watch the game (which I Tivo'ed) and didn't really notice it there either...so I don't know what all of the attention's about.

My only anger is directed at Snyder for milking every dime out of his fans in every way he can to line his pockets. He comes up with new and inventive ways to soak the fan. Next up: pay toilets at the stadium.

The guy is really scum of the earth.

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:My only anger is directed at Snyder for milking every dime out of his fans in every way he can to line his pockets. He comes up with new and inventive ways to soak the fan. Next up: pay toilets at the stadium.

The guy is really scum of the earth.

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Guys, we are not talking about pop warner or high school here. These are pofessionals and should not need "blind" support to perform. Maybe we should all chip in and take the team out for ice cream and pizza after the next game.

Until Zorn gets a clue and this team performs better they should be booed. That was one of the highlights of the game for me to finally hear the fans boo the inferior product that is put on the field year after year.

Dosnt matter what the sport is, the one thing guaranteed to get an owner's attention is booing home fans. Whether it is justified or not you can bet it made a bigger impact on the FO then any post match crticism from the 'experts'.

Hell, I was booing in my living room 800+ miles away... I was surprised there wasn't more booing after Randel El's catch to the 7, then two runs and a half back pass that wouldn't have surprised Stevie Wonder...

waa waa the fans are booing us, LMAO. We need to give them unconditional love! we need to coddle the whole team like we coddle the QB!

I was there. I boo'd and not ashamed ot admit it. Until Zorn starts making calls that play to win instead of not losing like Gibbs II used to do, I'll continue to boo the playcalling. Call me a bad fan if you like, personally, I couldn't care less. If anyone thinks that the playcalling isn't our biggest problem, I got oceanfront property to sell you in Montana.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I was there. I boo'd and not ashamed ot admit it. Until Zorn starts making calls that play to win instead of not losing like Gibbs II used to do, I'll continue to boo the playcalling. Call me a bad fan if you like, personally, I couldn't care less. If anyone thinks that the playcalling isn't our biggest problem, I got oceanfront property to sell you in Montana.

NO, IT'S JASON CAMPBELL, VET!!!!

Personally, I would find it hard to boo this team, or any Redskins team, but that's just me.

I understand that some fans would be disapointed in the team and how they were playing and wanted to vent at how ineffective the team looked down near the goal line but I would not do that - like I said, this is my team

I also think that I may not be as frustrated as many here because I felt that going into this season we had too many issues to overcome offensively to hopefully be able to score more points this year - many here predicted:

the play calling would be a lot better

the QB play was going to be a lot better

the offensive line play would mean that we got better yardage in the air and on the ground

the young tall receivers when used with both Moss, ey and ARE would mean a lot better production from our passing game

I tried to point to these concerns and the fact that ALL of these issues were likely to not happen - so, while I am frustrated at how the team is looking right now I could never boo them but I am not as disapointed in them as many others are

I think that many of us here and at the game thought we would see a lot better effort from our coaches and players - we are not a very good team and the HC needs to re-invent himself here and quickly or I think he will be gone - Snyder has the most expensive defensive player here and while he does not expect great things offensively, I think he expects more that this


we need better management - actually we just need a FO, because we don't have one right now

I went Sunday and I boo'd also. Now there is a difference though in opinions. Many players seem to think the booing was aimed at them for the way they played.....I boo'd Zorn, his playcalling, time management and all together coaching ability. I wish the players knew that some and maybe most of the boos were not directed at them.....but directed to Zorn. Paging Bill Cowher.....

skins2357 wrote:I went Sunday and I boo'd also. Now there is a difference though in opinions. Many players seem to think the booing was aimed at them for the way they played.....I boo'd Zorn, his playcalling, time management and all together coaching ability. I wish the players knew that some and maybe most of the boos were not directed at them.....but directed to Zorn. Paging Bill Cowher.....

Some have an idea. I don't believe that we have that much insight over what the players do that they can't see it.

The execution was close to excellent.

You think that 2 dropped td's and an overthrow on another td is excellent execution? The play calling is atrocious but dropped td passes, fumbles, etc. are inexcusable.

Irn-Bru wrote:We really have a lackluster, confused, and boorish fan base. It's very sad.

(Yes, I know that not everyone is that way. There are lots of people like Terri and Jake who go and show the right kind of support. But who can deny that the fans, at large, are part of the problem?)

A fan should NEVER lack in support of his/her team. No matter what, no matter the score or the W/L record. A fan ALWAYS supports its team. I will never understand fans who boo their team or even some particular coaches or players on the field.

It takes an act of honesty by Hall to say this:

I'm happy we got a win. We could have played a hell of a lot better though."

Having said all of the above, ask me what would I do if I ever see Dan Snyder on or off the field?

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:We really have a lackluster, confused, and boorish fan base. It's very sad.

(Yes, I know that not everyone is that way. There are lots of people like Terri and Jake who go and show the right kind of support. But who can deny that the fans, at large, are part of the problem?)

A fan should NEVER lack in support of his/her team. No matter what, no matter the score or the W/L record. A fan ALWAYS supports its team. I will never understand fans who boo their team or even some particular coaches or players on the field.

It takes an act of honesty by Hall to say this:

I'm happy we got a win. We could have played a hell of a lot better though."

Having said all of the above, ask me what would I do if I ever see Dan Snyder on or off the field?

So as long as it's not the front office, you are obligated to support it, right RiC? Nice double standard.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:We really have a lackluster, confused, and boorish fan base. It's very sad.

(Yes, I know that not everyone is that way. There are lots of people like Terri and Jake who go and show the right kind of support. But who can deny that the fans, at large, are part of the problem?)

A fan should NEVER lack in support of his/her team. No matter what, no matter the score or the W/L record. A fan ALWAYS supports its team. I will never understand fans who boo their team or even some particular coaches or players on the field.

It takes an act of honesty by Hall to say this:

I'm happy we got a win. We could have played a hell of a lot better though."

Having said all of the above, ask me what would I do if I ever see Dan Snyder on or off the field?

So as long as it's not the front office, you are obligated to support it, right RiC? Nice double standard.

Well isn't it like the hate the Pres. but support the troops argument??

I would never boo at the game...I see no value in it and I just think it hurts the team. I will never understand some of the fans at Fedex. Did they really want to go far a TD at the end??
I've got news for you, the other team gets paid to play as well. This is the team we have, and IMO they aren't very good....I understood that going in. Take a look around the league and look at the teams that are 1-1 or 0-2. Having coached football the past 8 years I know how it feels to not beat a team that you think your better then...Would you have preferred last years result??

VetSkinsFan wrote:So as long as it's not the front office, you are obligated to support it, right RiC? Nice double standard.

There is a DIFFERENCE between MY team on the field and the incompetent crowd who has hijacked this team.

If you do not understand the difference between the two, you never understood the difference between the racist Preston Marshall and the older team, and you will not understand my stand. If I had thought that Preston Marshall was the Skins, I would never had become a fan. Dan Snyder is not the Washington Redskins. If he were, I would no longer be a fan.

You are a fan under the illusion that one is synonymous with the other. It is not true. But if you feel that you must support one and the other as a package, that is your prerogative if you wish. It simply does not work that way for me and many others.

Redskin in Canada wrote:Having said all of the above, ask me what would I do if I ever see Dan Snyder on or off the field?

Hugs, kisses, and a box of chocolates?

Redskin in Canada wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:So as long as it's not the front office, you are obligated to support it, right RiC? Nice double standard.

There is a DIFFERENCE between MY team on the field and the incompetent crowd who has hijacked this team.

If you do not understand the difference between the two, you never undestood the diference between the racist Preston Mashall and the older team, and you will not understand my stand. If I had thought that Preston Marshall was the Skins, I would never had become a fan. Dan Snyder is not the Washington Redskins. If he were, I would no longer be a fan.

You are a fan under the ilusion that one is synonimous with the other. It is not true. But if you feel that you must support one and the other as a package, that is your prerogative if you wish. It simply does not work that way for me and many others.

No, really, I wanted to yank your chain and see how many CAPITALIZED words I could get. I'm VERY disappointed in you.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:We really have a lackluster, confused, and boorish fan base. It's very sad.

(Yes, I know that not everyone is that way. There are lots of people like Terri and Jake who go and show the right kind of support. But who can deny that the fans, at large, are part of the problem?)

A fan should NEVER lack in support of his/her team. No matter what, no matter the score or the W/L record. A fan ALWAYS supports its team. I will never understand fans who boo their team or even some particular coaches or players on the field.

It takes an act of honesty by Hall to say this:

I'm happy we got a win. We could have played a hell of a lot better though."

Having said all of the above, ask me what would I do if I ever see Dan Snyder on or off the field?

Agreed on all accounts, and I agree with DEHog too. Maybe it's a disposition thing. Some of us seem to share one mentality, and others see no problem holding a near-opposite view. Perhaps that's just the way it is.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:Having said all of the above, ask me what would I do if I ever see Dan Snyder on or off the field?

Hugs, kisses, and a box of chocolates?

It would have been fun to meet him after school in my neighbourhood.

VetSkinsFan wrote:No, really, I wanted to yank your chain and see how many CAPITALIZED words I could get. I'm VERY disappointed in you.

You can always start booing.

Irn-Bru wrote:We really have a lackluster, confused, and boorish fan base. It's very sad

I'm with you in principle and I've never booed my team in any sport ever. And we did win and any win is not nothing in the NFL. But I have to say I did actually understand it yesterday. For me it wasn't the way the Skins played, which I wouldn't boo. It's that we were home against one of the worst teams in the NFL and we're just too afraid of making a mistake. What offended me the most specifically was:

1) In FOUR trips inside the 10, we tried to run it in every time. And the first three we never got near the goal line.

2) Campbell throwing it down field and out of bounds. I'm sorry, he's an NFL QB, it was pathetic. At least if he overthrows the receiver he has a chance. But it just seems like more of the timid mentality.

Those were examples, but the play and play calling just seemed like that. You have a bad team down at home, you go for the throat, you don't play like you're on the road against the Steelers who are going to burn you for a slip up. It was the timid play and play calling that was frustrating to me. I'd have been far less frustrated had we gone for it (in general) and lost. And when that happens I back it up. I am not saying I'd be happier if we'd gone for it and lost, just less frustrated.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I am not saying I'd be happier if we'd gone for it and lost, just less frustrated.

That might be exactly Zorn's argument. Would Zorn withstand frustration for not being agressive enough rather than face the rage and anger of the fans for an inexcusable loss?

He can manage boos and frustration by the fans. He can gain some time. BUT ... How would the Danny have reacted after a loss against the "lowly" Rams? Would that be in his mind, I wonder ...