Only gonna say this once

[CanesSkins26]

You win. I apologize for using the word "completely". Its a really great point you've made. Feel better?

YES!!!! Thanks

Kaz, you must be missing your bestest buddy GSPODS; it looks like you're grooming riggofan to take his place...

Off topic, but what ever happened to GSPODS?

[skinsfan#33]

btw Did anybody listen to Lavar on 106.7 yesterday afternoon? First time I've caught him, and he was highly entertaining. He was extremely defensive of Campbell and pretty critical of the coaches. I thought one good point he made was on the Osi strip/fumble. He was going crazy that anybody would call a 7 step drop with guys like Osi and Justin Tuck coming at the QB. Basically said he thought calls like that set the QB up to fail. Also angry that they weren't taking any shots at intermediate passes the way the Giants did very well.

Not sure how true that is, but he was pretty passionate about it.

First, LA is paid to stir things up since the new 106.7 is marketing itself on the fact that they are not going to pull punches and be as negative as they want. They seem to think that the fan base is stupid enough to think that the on air tallent on 92.7 ESPN Redskins Radio isn't allowed to speek their minds and are just spouting propaganda for the Danny. Anyone who has ever listened to the Polin and Czabe KNOWS THAT ISN'T TRUE.

But back on point. LA is dead wrong on that play. The play was well protected, just like most of the pass plays! JC had plenty of time and a HUGE pocket to step up into. That one play was ALL ON CAMPBELL! and LA is either just trying to stir the pot (which is his job) or just knows a lot less about footballl than he should.

Can we please get B-Mitch back on the air. He was refreshingly honest with out trying to just stir things up and apparently has a much higher football IQ than LA!

[KazooSkinsFan]

You win. I apologize for using the word "completely". Its a really great point you've made. Feel better?

YES!!!! Thanks

Kaz, you must be missing your bestest buddy GSPODS; it looks like you're grooming riggofan to take his place...

First, I'm Pods best friend, he's not mine. I let this discussion go, but if you read his original quote it was a lot stronger then he's implying here. I'm definitely challenging the people who make ridiculous statements no one said and then lambasting them for it all high and mighty.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Off topic, but what ever happened to GSPODS?

As Pod's best friend, I think it comes to me to address this. Actually I posted the story of his demise before, you must have missed it.

One day he just disappeared. Most people thought it was a binge gone too far. Others that he was eaten by wolves. They had no evidence, I thought they liked visioning him being eaten by wolves. Personally I think he just keeled over and is dead lying on the keyboard. My evidence for his is that his last post was, “hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.” In the unlikely event anyone noticed he was missing they wouldn't go check his apartment because they'd be too afraid they'd find him. As his best friend I’d go to his apartment and check, but I don’t really give a crap.

Sorry, I'd check if my theory was right, but I still don't give a crap.

[Irn-Bru]

Off topic, but what ever happened to GSPODS?

He broke so many rules, so often, after many, many warnings and reminders . . . that eventually, after a particularly serious set of infractions, we dropped the hammer.

It takes a lot to get banned from THN, but let it not be said that a very few don't rise to the occasion.

[RayNAustin]

To borrow a phrase from the Kery/Edwards campaign in '04:

"MORE OF THE SAME."

The Skins looked like they picked up exactly where they left off in '08.

Can you really blame those of us who think the team should have shown SOME signs of life on opening day?

That was downright awful, all around.

My early opinion, this is not a playoff team, JC is not the right QB for this offense, and Zorn is over his head for the second straight year.

My thoughts exactly. More of the same .... inability to score or even put pressure on the opposing defense.

Personally, I'm not surprised by the outcome or that it appears to be a mirror image of last year's opener, and the second half of the year. Take away the zunk TD at the end of the game, and the 30-40 yards passing while the Giants were in prevent defensive mode, leaving the short middle of the field open, and the passing stats would have been 170 yards and zero TDs. I believed we could actually win this game by 7 or more points to be honest ... but only IF we put together a good offensive game plan, and Campbell stepped up. ( a big IF)

And while I still believe that Campbell is the most glaring problem, and that we'll truly not know what this offense is capable of until we have someone in there that can execute consistently, he's not the only problem.

The game plan that seemed to be in place for this game suggests to me that Zorn is about as clueless as Campbell looks under heavy blitz.

1) The Giants came into this game gimpy in the secondary, and the offense seemed incapable of, or completely unprepared to exploit that.

2) Running an option on the second play after a 34 yard run by Portis smacks of unjustified desperation against a defense that's one of the best at getting penetration. It's just not a good risk-reward scenario given the strengths of the Giants defense. Play action would seem to have been the "smart call" in that situation after burning them on a long run like that. You don't beat the Giants by being "cute", or spending too much time with the ball in the backfield. That's a recipe for disaster, and a good coach should recognize this.

3) Most running backs will tell you how important it is to develop a rhythm, and cycling Portis in and out (as is Zorn's stated plan for this year) is a HUGE mistake. First, it prevents developing that "rhythm", and secondly, it broadcasts to the defense "Oh, Portis is in, watch the run" because they know Portis is going to get his touches. So by only having him in there on 1 & 2nd downs, that's just poor strategy. No, that's just ridiculous lack of strategic planning .. IMHO Having your best back on the sideline on 3rd downs is absolutely inconceivably ignorant. (a savvy 12 year old might justifiably ask "why is Portis not playing on third and 3"?

4) Running three straight times in the red zone is just horrible play calling for an offense that has continued to struggle putting points on the board. Two trips in there and we have to rely on a fake FG for 1 TD, and settle for 3 on the second one? This is an embarrassment for what should be a professionally coached football team.

5) Moss being jammed all game long on the outside is not Moss's fault either. When a defense commits to a particular strategy to take away something, the offense has to respond with counter formations and play calling to punish that type of over commitment. Formations like three wide on Moss's side ... daring them to keep jamming. It shows a rather amateurish offense that can be stymied in the same manner ALL GAME LONG. Why not put Kelly and Thomas on the outside and move Moss to the slot on a play or two? Obviously the Giants were giving the Redskins the middle and taking the outside away .. so why not make them pay? Moss is far more elusive in space than ARE. The lack of offensive adjustments boggles the mind, and brings Zorn's legitimacy into serious question.

6) Campbell is just not good enough to overcome poor coaching, and I place as much blame on Zorn as I do on Campbell for the Giants loss. Campbell didn't play that well, and he continues to show the same weaknesses, but the entire offensive strategy seemed to be incoherent at best, and clueless at worst. So I'm not sure it's fair to put it on Campbell. I think he had one arm tied behind his back (by Zorn), and the game plan and lack of adjustments are deeply disturbing.

7) Defensively, I don't believe Blache feels he can be as aggressive as he might like to be given the offense's struggles. I believe his conservative play calls are to limit big play exposure, and the defense did keep the Giants in check pretty well (points wise) Unfortunately, we aren't going to see what everyone WANTS to see from this defense until the offense starts producing ... and if anyone saw any significant signs of that taking place anytime soon, they were watching a different game than I was.

[langleyparkjoe]

Off topic, but what ever happened to GSPODS?

As Pod's best friend, I think it comes to me to address this. Actually I posted the story of his demise before, you must have missed it.

One day he just disappeared. Most people thought it was a binge gone too far. Others that he was eaten by wolves. They had no evidence, I thought they liked visioning him being eaten by wolves. Personally I think he just keeled over and is dead lying on the keyboard. My evidence for his is that his last post was, “hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.” In the unlikely event anyone noticed he was missing they wouldn't go check his apartment because they'd be too afraid they'd find him. As his best friend I’d go to his apartment and check, but I don’t really give a crap.

Sorry, I'd check if my theory was right, but I still don't give a crap.

@ I don't give a crap

[Deadskins]

To borrow a phrase from the Kery/Edwards campaign in '04:

"MORE OF THE SAME."

The Skins looked like they picked up exactly where they left off in '08.

Can you really blame those of us who think the team should have shown SOME signs of life on opening day?

That was downright awful, all around.

My early opinion, this is not a playoff team, JC is not the right QB for this offense, and Zorn is over his head for the second straight year.

My thoughts exactly. More of the same .... inability to score or even put pressure on the opposing defense.

Personally, I'm not surprised by the outcome or that it appears to be a mirror image of last year's opener, and the second half of the year. Take away the zunk TD at the end of the game, and the 30-40 yards passing while the Giants were in prevent defensive mode, leaving the short middle of the field open, and the passing stats would have been 170 yards and zero TDs. I believed we could actually win this game by 7 or more points to be honest ... but only IF we put together a good offensive game plan, and Campbell stepped up. ( a big IF)

And while I still believe that Campbell is the most glaring problem, and that we'll truly not know what this offense is capable of until we have someone in there that can execute consistently, he's not the only problem.

The game plan that seemed to be in place for this game suggests to me that Zorn is about as clueless as Campbell looks under heavy blitz.

1) The Giants came into this game gimpy in the secondary, and the offense seemed incapable of, or completely unprepared to exploit that.

2) Running an option on the second play after a 34 yard run by Portis smacks of unjustified desperation against a defense that's one of the best at getting penetration. It's just not a good risk-reward scenario given the strengths of the Giants defense. Play action would seem to have been the "smart call" in that situation after burning them on a long run like that. You don't beat the Giants by being "cute", or spending too much time with the ball in the backfield. That's a recipe for disaster, and a good coach should recognize this.

3) Most running backs will tell you how important it is to develop a rhythm, and cycling Portis in and out (as is Zorn's stated plan for this year) is a HUGE mistake. First, it prevents developing that "rhythm", and secondly, it broadcasts to the defense "Oh, Portis is in, watch the run" because they know Portis is going to get his touches. So by only having him in there on 1 & 2nd downs, that's just poor strategy. No, that's just ridiculous lack of strategic planning .. IMHO Having your best back on the sideline on 3rd downs is absolutely inconceivably ignorant. (a savvy 12 year old might justifiably ask "why is Portis not playing on third and 3"?

4) Running three straight times in the red zone is just horrible play calling for an offense that has continued to struggle putting points on the board. Two trips in there and we have to rely on a fake FG for 1 TD, and settle for 3 on the second one? This is an embarrassment for what should be a professionally coached football team.

5) Moss being jammed all game long on the outside is not Moss's fault either. When a defense commits to a particular strategy to take away something, the offense has to respond with counter formations and play calling to punish that type of over commitment. Formations like three wide on Moss's side ... daring them to keep jamming. It shows a rather amateurish offense that can be stymied in the same manner ALL GAME LONG. Why not put Kelly and Thomas on the outside and move Moss to the slot on a play or two? Obviously the Giants were giving the Redskins the middle and taking the outside away .. so why not make them pay? Moss is far more elusive in space than ARE. The lack of offensive adjustments boggles the mind, and brings Zorn's legitimacy into serious question.

6) Campbell is just not good enough to overcome poor coaching, and I place as much blame on Zorn as I do on Campbell for the Giants loss. Campbell didn't play that well, and he continues to show the same weaknesses, but the entire offensive strategy seemed to be incoherent at best, and clueless at worst. So I'm not sure it's fair to put it on Campbell. I think he had one arm tied behind his back (by Zorn), and the game plan and lack of adjustments are deeply disturbing.

7) Defensively, I don't believe Blache feels he can be as aggressive as he might like to be given the offense's struggles. I believe his conservative play calls are to limit big play exposure, and the defense did keep the Giants in check pretty well (points wise) Unfortunately, we aren't going to see what everyone WANTS to see from this defense until the offense starts producing ... and if anyone saw any significant signs of that taking place anytime soon, they were watching a different game than I was.

Very good assessment, Ray.

[brad7686]

To borrow a phrase from the Kery/Edwards campaign in '04:

"MORE OF THE SAME."

The Skins looked like they picked up exactly where they left off in '08.

Can you really blame those of us who think the team should have shown SOME signs of life on opening day?

That was downright awful, all around.

My early opinion, this is not a playoff team, JC is not the right QB for this offense, and Zorn is over his head for the second straight year.

My thoughts exactly. More of the same .... inability to score or even put pressure on the opposing defense.

Personally, I'm not surprised by the outcome or that it appears to be a mirror image of last year's opener, and the second half of the year. Take away the zunk TD at the end of the game, and the 30-40 yards passing while the Giants were in prevent defensive mode, leaving the short middle of the field open, and the passing stats would have been 170 yards and zero TDs. I believed we could actually win this game by 7 or more points to be honest ... but only IF we put together a good offensive game plan, and Campbell stepped up. ( a big IF)

And while I still believe that Campbell is the most glaring problem, and that we'll truly not know what this offense is capable of until we have someone in there that can execute consistently, he's not the only problem.

The game plan that seemed to be in place for this game suggests to me that Zorn is about as clueless as Campbell looks under heavy blitz.

1) The Giants came into this game gimpy in the secondary, and the offense seemed incapable of, or completely unprepared to exploit that.

2) Running an option on the second play after a 34 yard run by Portis smacks of unjustified desperation against a defense that's one of the best at getting penetration. It's just not a good risk-reward scenario given the strengths of the Giants defense. Play action would seem to have been the "smart call" in that situation after burning them on a long run like that. You don't beat the Giants by being "cute", or spending too much time with the ball in the backfield. That's a recipe for disaster, and a good coach should recognize this.

3) Most running backs will tell you how important it is to develop a rhythm, and cycling Portis in and out (as is Zorn's stated plan for this year) is a HUGE mistake. First, it prevents developing that "rhythm", and secondly, it broadcasts to the defense "Oh, Portis is in, watch the run" because they know Portis is going to get his touches. So by only having him in there on 1 & 2nd downs, that's just poor strategy. No, that's just ridiculous lack of strategic planning .. IMHO Having your best back on the sideline on 3rd downs is absolutely inconceivably ignorant. (a savvy 12 year old might justifiably ask "why is Portis not playing on third and 3"?

4) Running three straight times in the red zone is just horrible play calling for an offense that has continued to struggle putting points on the board. Two trips in there and we have to rely on a fake FG for 1 TD, and settle for 3 on the second one? This is an embarrassment for what should be a professionally coached football team.

5) Moss being jammed all game long on the outside is not Moss's fault either. When a defense commits to a particular strategy to take away something, the offense has to respond with counter formations and play calling to punish that type of over commitment. Formations like three wide on Moss's side ... daring them to keep jamming. It shows a rather amateurish offense that can be stymied in the same manner ALL GAME LONG. Why not put Kelly and Thomas on the outside and move Moss to the slot on a play or two? Obviously the Giants were giving the Redskins the middle and taking the outside away .. so why not make them pay? Moss is far more elusive in space than ARE. The lack of offensive adjustments boggles the mind, and brings Zorn's legitimacy into serious question.

6) Campbell is just not good enough to overcome poor coaching, and I place as much blame on Zorn as I do on Campbell for the Giants loss. Campbell didn't play that well, and he continues to show the same weaknesses, but the entire offensive strategy seemed to be incoherent at best, and clueless at worst. So I'm not sure it's fair to put it on Campbell. I think he had one arm tied behind his back (by Zorn), and the game plan and lack of adjustments are deeply disturbing.

7) Defensively, I don't believe Blache feels he can be as aggressive as he might like to be given the offense's struggles. I believe his conservative play calls are to limit big play exposure, and the defense did keep the Giants in check pretty well (points wise) Unfortunately, we aren't going to see what everyone WANTS to see from this defense until the offense starts producing ... and if anyone saw any significant signs of that taking place anytime soon, they were watching a different game than I was.

I would agree with all of that except the Moss thing. If he can't be a man and get into his route in a one on one situation he shouldn't be on the field. How is an offense supposed to operate if one of the WR's can't even get off the line of scrimmage? No wonder Kelly couldn't get open.

[VetSkinsFan]

If you're successfully jamming a small WR in a WCO, then you're essentially taking him out of a timing offense game (see WCO). They could have rotated him as illustrated or motioned him. I didn't see much of either. It's ultimately the coach's issue when he allows the D to take a player out of the game.

You see coaches motion and change position (see Moss/TO) to get their key guys in the match-ups they like. We're not doing it.

[RayNAustin]

Well, my thoughts about Moss are this: a physical corner should be and will be able to tie him up on the line long enough to disrupt the rout timing, especially with two situations existing:

1) their d-line can only be blocked for so long .. probably the best in the NFL, so all they need to do is tie him up for 2 seconds and stay close

2) Campbell hasn't shown the ability to buy time to make plays downfield... in fact .. he doesn't show much ability to do it when he has plenty of time.

And, if the coaches call plays that require Moss to run certain routes, and they don't make adjustments (like running Moss on a quick slant), the corner can continue to use the same strategy, taking inside position and jamming him to the outside.

To say he needs to "be a man" is just an insult to a good player, and an oversimplification. Moss has been in the league for quite a while, and if it were simply that easy to take him out ... we would have already seen this as a problem and he would have been gone a long time ago.

The question really should be .. how could this have gone on all game long? Make adjustments! This is a coaching issue, and a situational issue. The Giants recognize the lack of downfield threat posed by the Redskin offense, which is the reason they felt comfortable jamming Moss at the line all day long. The reason corners play off the line is to prevent the receiver from getting behind the secondary. But if that's not a concern, and you just want to disrupt the short and intermediate patterns, most decent cover corners can do that to any receiver for a couple of seconds ..

Most of us novices have recognized that this offense relies on the run, and short passes. You don't think good defenses don't game plan heavily for that?

Now, from the brilliant offensive minds at Redskin Park, they've actually made it easier for opposing defenses ... we now keep our biggest offensive threat on the sideline on 3rd downs.

Oh yeah baby ... brilliant strategy. Let's tell the defense we're going to run Portis on 1st and 2nd downs so they can stack the box, creating 3rd and longs ... then take him out.

Does that make any sense to anyone other than Jim Zorn?

[VetSkinsFan]

Well, my thoughts about Moss are this: a physical corner should be and will be able to tie him up on the line long enough to disrupt the rout timing, especially with two situations existing:

1) their d-line can only be blocked for so long .. probably the best in the NFL, so all they need to do is tie him up for 2 seconds and stay close

2) Campbell hasn't shown the ability to buy time to make plays downfield... in fact .. he doesn't show much ability to do it when he has plenty of time.

And, if the coaches call plays that require Moss to run certain routes, and they don't make adjustments (like running Moss on a quick slant), the corner can continue to use the same strategy, taking inside position and jamming him to the outside.

To say he needs to "be a man" is just an insult to a good player, and an oversimplification. Moss has been in the league for quite a while, and if it were simply that easy to take him out ... we would have already seen this as a problem and he would have been gone a long time ago.

The question really should be .. how could this have gone on all game long? Make adjustments! This is a coaching issue, and a situational issue. The Giants recognize the lack of downfield threat posed by the Redskin offense, which is the reason they felt comfortable jamming Moss at the line all day long. The reason corners play off the line is to prevent the receiver from getting behind the secondary. But if that's not a concern, and you just want to disrupt the short and intermediate patterns, most decent cover corners can do that to any receiver for a couple of seconds ..

Most of us novices have recognized that this offense relies on the run, and short passes. You don't think good defenses don't game plan heavily for that?

Now, from the brilliant offensive minds at Redskin Park, they've actually made it easier for opposing defenses ... we now keep our biggest offensive threat on the sideline on 3rd downs.

Oh yeah baby ... brilliant strategy. Let's tell the defense we're going to run Portis on 1st and 2nd downs so they can stack the box, creating 3rd and longs ... then take him out.

Does that make any sense to anyone other than Jim Zorn?

I completely agree, Ray. I've wondered some of these same points as of late. Hell, even my Giants fan co-worker wondered some of these same points when we talked about it.

[RayNAustin]

If you're successfully jamming a small WR in a WCO, then you're essentially taking him out of a timing offense game (see WCO). They could have rotated him as illustrated or motioned him. I didn't see much of either. It's ultimately the coach's issue when he allows the D to take a player out of the game.

You see coaches motion and change position (see Moss/TO) to get their key guys in the match-ups they like. We're not doing it.

Bingo. It shouldn't even happen for an entire half, much less the entire game. What are Zorn and his coaches doing at halftime? Listening to Mozart on his iPod, trying to "stay medium"?

[RayNAustin]

At this point, it may be wise to examine Zorn's finances. I mean, given the amount of corruption and intrigue in Washington DC .. maybe he's a mole ?

But in all seriousness, I'm not convinced, at this point, that Jim Zorn isn't the worst offensive coach we've ever had. AND YES, that includes the "Ball Coach".

[brad7686]

Well its not like every corner in the league is going to be able to manhandle him, but corey webster is huge for a corner. And then, you got safeties over the top, so really only the middle is open. Good receivers are able to get open short against corners. Moss can't do that against corners with any physicality, i.e. Corey Webster, Al Harris, etc. Although I agree Zorn needs to use motion or more 3 WR sets, etc. Just to give great defenses like that different looks. I, along with most people, was extremely disappointed in the playcalling.

[CanesSkins26]

But in all seriousness, I'm not convinced, at this point, that Jim Zorn isn't the worst offensive coach we've ever had. AND YES, that includes the "Ball Coach".

I was having that exact same thought on Sunday while watching our pathetic excuse of an offense.

[CanesSkins26]

To borrow a phrase from the Kery/Edwards campaign in '04:

"MORE OF THE SAME."

The Skins looked like they picked up exactly where they left off in '08.

Can you really blame those of us who think the team should have shown SOME signs of life on opening day?

That was downright awful, all around.

My early opinion, this is not a playoff team, JC is not the right QB for this offense, and Zorn is over his head for the second straight year.

My thoughts exactly. More of the same .... inability to score or even put pressure on the opposing defense.

Personally, I'm not surprised by the outcome or that it appears to be a mirror image of last year's opener, and the second half of the year. Take away the zunk TD at the end of the game, and the 30-40 yards passing while the Giants were in prevent defensive mode, leaving the short middle of the field open, and the passing stats would have been 170 yards and zero TDs. I believed we could actually win this game by 7 or more points to be honest ... but only IF we put together a good offensive game plan, and Campbell stepped up. ( a big IF)

And while I still believe that Campbell is the most glaring problem, and that we'll truly not know what this offense is capable of until we have someone in there that can execute consistently, he's not the only problem.

The game plan that seemed to be in place for this game suggests to me that Zorn is about as clueless as Campbell looks under heavy blitz.

1) The Giants came into this game gimpy in the secondary, and the offense seemed incapable of, or completely unprepared to exploit that.

2) Running an option on the second play after a 34 yard run by Portis smacks of unjustified desperation against a defense that's one of the best at getting penetration. It's just not a good risk-reward scenario given the strengths of the Giants defense. Play action would seem to have been the "smart call" in that situation after burning them on a long run like that. You don't beat the Giants by being "cute", or spending too much time with the ball in the backfield. That's a recipe for disaster, and a good coach should recognize this.

3) Most running backs will tell you how important it is to develop a rhythm, and cycling Portis in and out (as is Zorn's stated plan for this year) is a HUGE mistake. First, it prevents developing that "rhythm", and secondly, it broadcasts to the defense "Oh, Portis is in, watch the run" because they know Portis is going to get his touches. So by only having him in there on 1 & 2nd downs, that's just poor strategy. No, that's just ridiculous lack of strategic planning .. IMHO Having your best back on the sideline on 3rd downs is absolutely inconceivably ignorant. (a savvy 12 year old might justifiably ask "why is Portis not playing on third and 3"?

4) Running three straight times in the red zone is just horrible play calling for an offense that has continued to struggle putting points on the board. Two trips in there and we have to rely on a fake FG for 1 TD, and settle for 3 on the second one? This is an embarrassment for what should be a professionally coached football team.

5) Moss being jammed all game long on the outside is not Moss's fault either. When a defense commits to a particular strategy to take away something, the offense has to respond with counter formations and play calling to punish that type of over commitment. Formations like three wide on Moss's side ... daring them to keep jamming. It shows a rather amateurish offense that can be stymied in the same manner ALL GAME LONG. Why not put Kelly and Thomas on the outside and move Moss to the slot on a play or two? Obviously the Giants were giving the Redskins the middle and taking the outside away .. so why not make them pay? Moss is far more elusive in space than ARE. The lack of offensive adjustments boggles the mind, and brings Zorn's legitimacy into serious question.

6) Campbell is just not good enough to overcome poor coaching, and I place as much blame on Zorn as I do on Campbell for the Giants loss. Campbell didn't play that well, and he continues to show the same weaknesses, but the entire offensive strategy seemed to be incoherent at best, and clueless at worst. So I'm not sure it's fair to put it on Campbell. I think he had one arm tied behind his back (by Zorn), and the game plan and lack of adjustments are deeply disturbing.

7) Defensively, I don't believe Blache feels he can be as aggressive as he might like to be given the offense's struggles. I believe his conservative play calls are to limit big play exposure, and the defense did keep the Giants in check pretty well (points wise) Unfortunately, we aren't going to see what everyone WANTS to see from this defense until the offense starts producing ... and if anyone saw any significant signs of that taking place anytime soon, they were watching a different game than I was.

Excellent Post

[chiefhog44]

I think I just came to the realization that everyone on here (including me) doesn't know what the hell they're talking about

[VetSkinsFan]

I think I just came to the realization that everyone on here (including me) doesn't know what the hell they're talking about

Such insight. Care to elaborate?

[KazooSkinsFan]

I think I just came to the realization that everyone on here (including me) doesn't know what the hell they're talking about

The vast majority of us have only more or less a layman's knowledge of professional football. Even the ones who played major college football only have a glimpse of what it takes to succeed in the NFL. There's nothing wrong with that, it's why we're here. It's entertainment. It's what we spend our money on and the smart ones who do know what the heck they are talking about know that. So opine away.

[chiefhog44]

I think I just came to the realization that everyone on here (including me) doesn't know what the hell they're talking about

Such insight. Care to elaborate?

Not really. Only to say that I came to that realization when I was responding to someone else's questionable post, to argue a point that I could care less or truely know much about. Just arguing to argue with limited knowledge...and that's coming from a former coach and player. I guess that's why I continue to come back to this site.