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brad7686 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Campbell has a fantastic throwing arm.

What good is it when he's not accurate with it? I have yet to see him hit Moss in stride without him having to slow down, catch it on his hip or contort his body to get to it.

Moss is a very small man that runs very fast and can't catch. All of those things are difficult on the QB accuracywise. El is the same way. Its shocking to me that Campbell records a completion percentage so high under the circumstances. Phillip Rivers is out there with gigantic people and they adjust to make impossible to catches to make him look good.

I'm sorry sir but that is complete bullcrap.

Brad my friend, granted Brunell did hit Moss in stride with those 2 TD's that beat the cowpunks but to say Moss can't catch??

I'm not getting into stats, it's been done here already but JC just seems scared to make certain plays and when he does throw one deep, our receivers do have to make serious adjustments. I will still say this though, I'm glad we kept JC because we've seen time and time again that guys who are on their last year of contracts usually do a real good job. Also I'm *assuming* the Cutler/Sanchez thing will make him want to prove himself more and may probably help him channel his anger on the field at the defense.

Vet, I agree 100% bro, a QB with a good arm and bad attitude usually doesn't amount to much... Jeff George is my example. That dude had an arm but a crappy attitude and is only remembered for that. (not like he did much anyways)

So with that, screw Sanchez and Cutler and lets all rally behind our current #17 and give the guy some support, I mean really, do we have another option???

langleyparkjoe wrote:So with that, screw Sanchez and Cutler and lets all rally behind our current #17 and give the guy some support, I mean really, do we have another option???

That sounds cute but my well wishes aren't going to make a bit of difference. I've WISHED countless times that he'd stop pump faking and it hasn't worked yet.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:So with that, screw Sanchez and Cutler and lets all rally behind our current #17 and give the guy some support, I mean really, do we have another option???

That sounds cute but my well wishes aren't going to make a bit of difference. I've WISHED countless times that he'd stop pump faking and it hasn't worked yet.

Yea your right, he's quickly becoming the pump fake prince.. 2nd only to Fah-Vray

langleyparkjoe wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:So with that, screw Sanchez and Cutler and lets all rally behind our current #17 and give the guy some support, I mean really, do we have another option???

That sounds cute but my well wishes aren't going to make a bit of difference. I've WISHED countless times that he'd stop pump faking and it hasn't worked yet.

Yea your right, he's quickly becoming the pump fake prince.. 2nd only to Fah-Vray

At least Fah-Vray pump faked in fast-forward.

Jason pump fakes in slow motion, then he hits the still button (his indecisiveness), then he hits rewind (2nd read) > slow motion pump fake > still button, then he hits the tracking button (cus he's getting worried), then he hits play as he dumps it off to the RB in the flats for a 2 yard gain on 3rd & 8.

C... you do realize from now on that I'll be paying EXTRA close attention to that from now on right??

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:So with that, screw Sanchez and Cutler and lets all rally behind our current #17 and give the guy some support, I mean really, do we have another option???

That sounds cute but my well wishes aren't going to make a bit of difference. I've WISHED countless times that he'd stop pump faking and it hasn't worked yet.

Yea your right, he's quickly becoming the pump fake prince.. 2nd only to Fah-Vray

At least Fah-Vray pump faked in fast-forward.

Jason pump fakes in slow motion, then he hits the still button (his indecisiveness), then he hits rewind (2nd read) > slow motion pump fake > still button, then he hits the tracking button (cus he's getting worried), then he hits play as he dumps it off to the RB in the flats for a 2 yard gain on 3rd & 8.

Don't you think SOME of that could be unfamiliarity in a new system? He didn't do that kind of stuff in college did he? I'm not the biggest JC fan (I was all for trading up for Sanchez) but he's finally in a familiar system where he had his best season as a pro. It's not unrealistic to expect him to have a good year.

I think it's unrealistic to EXPECT anything from him right now. We can HOPE but I wouldn't expect anything.

I have always liked JC, even more now, because of his good character. Hopefully this year he makes me like him because what he does on the field.

Darn his good character. I'll like him better when he's tossing 23 TD's... Sunday is what I care about. His April demeanor can go jump off a bridge.

I keep looking for whatever Joe Gibbs saw that made him want this player so much.
"Potential" is my least favorite word.

tcwest10 wrote:I keep looking for whatever Joe Gibbs saw that made him want this player so much.
"Potential" is my least favorite word.

He saw Doug Williams...

Why is J-Cam a classy guy? The only difference between Campbell and Cutler is leverage...J-Cam has none. If Campbell was coming off a Pro Bowl season and the Skins tried what the Broncos did with Cutler, you would have seen an entirely different side of Campbell. But as it stands, there's no market for him. If the Skins could have gotten a 2nd for him, there's no doubt in my mind, they would have shipped Campbell off.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

tcwest10 wrote:I keep looking for whatever Joe Gibbs saw that made him want this player so much.
"Potential" is my least favorite word.

He saw Doug Williams...

Joe didn't see Doug Williams when he was looking right at him. He saw somebody not named Schroeder.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

He saw Doug Williams...

If ever a player was fated to win a superbowl...

... there we were, the Broncos were just killing us and just before the 1st quarter ends, Williams goes down, injurees his leg and drops the ball. The play was ruled dead but when the TV guys looked at it they (I think it ws Madden) came to the conclusion that it should have been ruled a fumble recovered by Denver. If that had happened then who knows what would have happened, instead a few minutes later he leads us to the greatest quarter ever in a superbowl.

Dont think I'll ever forget those words ... "its getting to be Didier time"

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Why is J-Cam a classy guy? The only difference between Campbell and Cutler is leverage...J-Cam has none. If Campbell was coming off a Pro Bowl season and the Skins tried what the Broncos did with Cutler, you would have seen an entirely different side of Campbell. But as it stands, there's no market for him. If the Skins could have gotten a 2nd for him, there's no doubt in my mind, they would have shipped Campbell off.

I think you couldn't be more wrong. Campbell is not a little crybaby like Cutler. JC understands the business that is the NFL and talks of getting traded, cut, benched, etc... are a part of the business. And why do you think that the Skins would have sent him packing for a second round pick? Do you want Collins to be our starting quarterback over JC, because he would be the first option to start.

in the end though my homeboy is right, his classiness won't win us games.. he needs to be a great point guard and lead the offense. I like the guy, always had.. especially his last year at Auburn when they got robbed by not making the national championship (they woulda lost anyways). Oh well... lets see what happens

Cappster wrote:Campbell is not a little crybaby like Cutler.

Fine, they're polar oppposites but both attitudes are arguably detrimental to the team.

Cappster wrote: JC understands the business that is the NFL and talks of getting traded, cut, benched, etc... are a part of the business.

It's only part of the business when you're not wanted... And he's not wanted because they believe he's not good enough.

Cappster wrote: And why do you think that the Skins would have sent him packing for a second round pick?

Cus they'd be foolish not to! LOL I wouldn't expect anymore than a 3rd or 4th depending on the situation. They'd only make this move if they were comfortable with Colt or brought in a vet.

Cappster wrote:Do you want Collins to be our starting quarterback over JC, because he would be the first option to start.

You say that like theres a ton of drop off from 2-6... Oh no, we'll go 1-7 with Todd!!! I'm shakin in my boots! lol

hahahahhahahahahahaaa... beware of the TODDSTER!!!!

I think Jason is a good guy and a good QB but I am also convinced from what we have seen that he's not going to be a really good QB in the NFL. I understand all the reasons why his progress has not allowed him to showcase his talents but I just feel that this guy is just a good QB and will not become a great QB.

One of the most important things in building a team should begin, in my opinion, with having (or acquiring) a great QB - Campbell is not that and I think the guys here (Snyder and Zorn) know that - I agree that having good defensive and offensive lines are important but a truly good team will only remain a consistently good team if they have a great QB. You can be a good team with great offensive and defensive lines but you will not be consistently good without a great QB

We need to get one soon because we can build the rest of the offense (and we have to) around him, and, let's face it the defense here only requires adding some pieces here and there to remain a top 5 or top 10 defense.

The recent interest in Cutler and Sanchez indicate to me that the guys want a better QB than they have and, I think, if there had been better prospects OR if we had not had to give up so much for a QB, these guys would have done that this year.

I look for us to get a really good QB soon - Campbell may be a good guy and he has handled everything really well but he is just a good QB. I hope he stays as he may be useful here in both the transition and as a backup

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Cappster wrote:Campbell is not a little crybaby like Cutler.

Fine, they're polar oppposites but both attitudes are arguably detrimental to the team.

Cappster wrote: JC understands the business that is the NFL and talks of getting traded, cut, benched, etc... are a part of the business.

It's only part of the business when you're not wanted... And he's not wanted because they believe he's not good enough.

Cappster wrote: And why do you think that the Skins would have sent him packing for a second round pick?

Cus they'd be foolish not to! LOL I wouldn't expect anymore than a 3rd or 4th depending on the situation. They'd only make this move if they were comfortable with Colt or brought in a vet.

Cappster wrote:Do you want Collins to be our starting quarterback over JC, because he would be the first option to start.

You say that like theres a ton of drop off from 2-6... Oh no, we'll go 1-7 with Todd!!! I'm shakin in my boots! lol

What attitude does JC have that is detrimental to the team?

You say JC is not currently wanted and that point I won't argue with. I will point out that if he performs well this year that he will be wanted and rewarded with a contract extension. Winning and playing well heals almost everything. And who says Zorn doesn't believe in him just because the FO has questions?

I would say it is quite apparent at this point that Zorn feels more comfortable with JC at the helm than either Collins or Brennan.

If our O-Line is as bad as everyone makes it out to be, we are gonna need some wells at quarterback to make plays. You may come back with the argument that we need a quick decision maker and JC is not that guy, but I will say that with his second year in the offense, it should be for him to make quicker decisions as he won't have to think about where everyone is going to be. It will allow him to read and react instead of read think react.

SkinsJock wrote:You can be a good team with great offensive and defensive lines but you will not be consistently good without a great QB

How then did Gibbs manage to win 3 superbowls with 3 different QBs, none of which would qualify as "a great QB"?

Cappster wrote:What attitude does JC have that is detrimental to the team?

Some people believe that his passive nature is an issue. This "classiness" that he's being heralded for in some peoples opinion extends to Sunday. They believe a team needs a louder voice...

Cappster wrote:I will point out that if he performs well this year that he will be wanted and rewarded with a contract extension.

And if he doesn't he won't.

Cappster wrote:And who says Zorn doesn't believe in him just because the FO has questions?

He and Zorn are tied together, if one fails they both fail. Is Cowher or Shannahan lurking in the shadows? lol

Cappster wrote:I would say it is quite apparent at this point that Zorn feels more comfortable with JC at the helm than either Collins or Brennan.

Of course. But Zorn also stated on the radio that Colts preseason time is going to get heavily increased. Zorn is ready to see what the kid has... He knows he might have to yank the plug on JC if he's still pump faking.

Cappster wrote:It will allow him to read and react instead of read think react.

I hope so. I'm just not sure that he can do it. He made the right reads last year but he's just so scared to make a mistake. That timid nature has nothing to do with his knowledge of the system, it's just him.

PulpExposure wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:You can be a good team with great offensive and defensive lines but you will not be consistently good without a great QB

How then did Gibbs manage to win 3 superbowls with 3 different QBs, none of which would qualify as "a great QB"?

My point is more to having a team be good for a period of time - there are anumber of teams that have been good enough to win a Super Bowl here and there without a great QB and we were lucky enough to do that with 3 that were not great but also the Redskins only went there one other time, with Joe T.

Having a great coach did not hurt!

I am only saying that the consistently good franchises have a great QB - Aikman, Marino, Elway, Montana and the list goes on. Look at what Favre almost did at the end of his career - Campbell is just a good QB but he will never get our team to be consistently good because he's not that good. Also, I do not think that the Giants are a very successful team but that is primarily because i do not think that Eli or the coach are very good and they have had a good defense and decent offense - they are not consistently good because of their QB.

I have no problem with Campbell, he's a good QB and we could even win a Super Bowl with him. I just don't think he could take us to multiple Super Bowls - I think we'll be a lot better with a rebuilt offense and that includes the most important position, the QB

PulpExposure wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:You can be a good team with great offensive and defensive lines but you will not be consistently good without a great QB

How then did Gibbs manage to win 3 superbowls with 3 different QBs, none of which would qualify as "a great QB"?

Seriously? Rypien may have not been a "great" QB in terms of career, but his 1991 season was argueably the greatest ever by a Skins QB. So, I would say he had a "great" season to win the SB. He was also SB MVP and is considered a "70 greatest Redskin".

As far as Theismann, I am surprised that you would say that about a "70 greatest Redskin", 2 Time Pro Bowl selection --- including the 1983 season in which he won the SB where he was named first team all pro and offensive player of the year. So, it is your opinion that Theismann wasn't a "great" player. We can agree to disagree on that, but his 1983 season was the best in football that year.

Regardless, there is no denying that you need a QB that has the ability to have one of the best seasons as a QB in the NFL to win a SB.