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PulpExposure wrote:Or every team's strategy, since no team picked him until the 5th round?

Deadskins wrote:Mike Williams is a former #4 overall pick. I'm guessing they figure to go into this season with what we already have, and address the OL in future drafts, when we have more picks and a deeper field from which to choose.

Irn-Bru wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:Or every team's strategy, since no team picked him until the 5th round?

Well, very few people on THN aside from CanesSkins and brad are calling Cody Glenn a 'reach'. If all it takes is a team picking the player to legitimize him where he went, then why shouldn't the Redskins' decision not to take Meredith be open for questions?

When we picked the CB in the 3rd round, Meredith was near the top of Kiper's "Best Available" list. We could have picked him again in the 5th round, and I'd be willing to bet that most of THN would be calling it a great "value" pick—to meet an area of need to boot. It seems to me as though a lot is turning on the historical accident of whether or not we took him.

frankcal20 wrote:We can carry a ton of guys into camp right now so why not bring him in for this weekends mini-camp and see if he can hang. If not, cut him.

Zorn also said that tackle Mike Williams, signed Friday, will miss minicamp as he begins trying to shed weight. Williams is at 410 pounds - at one point he reached 450, Zorn said - and the Redskins hope to have him around 370 by training camp. Williams has not played an NFL game since 2005.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:We can carry a ton of guys into camp right now so why not bring him in for this weekends mini-camp and see if he can hang. If not, cut him.

Do you mean Mike Williams? He wont be participating in this weekend's mini-camp because he currently weighs over 400 pounds.

Zorn also said that tackle Mike Williams, signed Friday, will miss minicamp as he begins trying to shed weight. Williams is at 410 pounds - at one point he reached 450, Zorn said - and the Redskins hope to have him around 370 by training camp. Williams has not played an NFL game since 2005.

Irn-Bru wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:Or every team's strategy, since no team picked him until the 5th round?

Well, very few people on THN aside from CanesSkins and brad are calling Cody Glenn a 'reach'. If all it takes is a team picking the player to legitimize him where he went, then why shouldn't the Redskins' decision not to take Meredith be open for questions?

When we picked the CB in the 3rd round, Meredith was near the top of Kiper's "Best Available" list. We could have picked him again in the 5th round, and I'd be willing to bet that most of THN would be calling it a great "value" pick—to meet an area of need to boot. It seems to me as though a lot is turning on the historical accident of whether or not we took him.

Gibbs4Life wrote:We blew it on getting Meredith or Murtha. Cody Glenn was a special teams pick and Henson will be groomed at MLB, still for this season OL was a need and we ignored it in the draft.

Zorn also said that tackle Mike Williams, signed Friday, will miss minicamp as he begins trying to shed weight. Williams is at 410 pounds - at one point he reached 450, Zorn said - and the Redskins hope to have him around 370 by training camp.

SkinsFreak wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:We blew it on getting Meredith or Murtha. Cody Glenn was a special teams pick and Henson will be groomed at MLB, still for this season OL was a need and we ignored it in the draft.

Yet they signed some o-lines guys about 5 minutes after the draft ended.

Redskins Look to Young O-Linemen to Step Up
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
Posted: April 27, 2009


Offensive line was widely regarded as a need for the Redskins heading into the 2009 NFL Draft.

The way the draft board lined up, the team was not able to come away with an offensive lineman in their six picks.

Vinny Cerrato and Jim Zorn both said the Redskins will look to some of the team’s young linemen to emerge in 2009.

That group includes third-year player Stephon Heyer and second-year players Chad Rinehart and Devin Clark.

Zorn also mentioned D’Anthony Batiste, a third-year player signed last December, as a prospect to watch.

“I’m not disappointed we haven’t drafted an offensive lineman,” Zorn said. “We are developing some of our linemen. We are hoping that Chad Rinehart develops into an outstanding offensive lineman. D’Anthony Batiste--we hope he can develop.”

Added Cerrato: “It wasn’t a deep draft for offensive linemen. For guards, it was not a very good draft. There were some good centers, but they all went late in the first round and we didn’t have a second round pick.

“When we got to the third round, [cornerback] Kevin Barnes was the highest rated guy we had on the board. That is why we went that direction. There really wasn’t an offensive lineman we liked at that spot.”

Now that the draft is over, the Redskins are expected to sign offensive linemen as undrafted rookie free agents.

Coaches are prepared to enter training camp this summer with a competition at right tackle.

Heyer and incumbent Jon Jansen, a 10-year veteran, are expected to battle for the starting job.

Team officials are also keeping an eye on Randy Thomas, who had neck surgery this offseason.

Thomas and Chris Samuels, recovering from triceps surgery, are not expected to participate in mini-camp and the early part of OTAs.

And then there’s newcomer Mike Williams.

Williams signed with the Redskins on April 24, one day before the start of the NFL Draft.

Williams, 29, is a 5-year NFL veteran who has played for the Buffalo Bills and Jacksonville Jaguars. He has played both tackle and guard in his career.

A former first-round draft pick by the Bills, Williams has not played since 2005 and he has not been on an NFL roster since 2006.

Williams, who stands at 6-6 in height, currently weighs about 410 pounds, according to Zorn. When he last played in the NFL, he was 360 pounds.

Williams is expected to work with the team’s strength and conditioning coaches to get his weight down and get in playing shape.

“What we are going to do with Mike is for this first month, he will work with the strength coaches and the rehab guys, work on conditioning and work on some drill work with Joe Bugel to get ready for June OTAs,” Cerrato said.

Williams had been living with Derrick Dockery and his wife in Northern Virginia prior to the team signing him.

“Derrick told me about him and asked, ‘Will you contact him?’” Cerrato said. “We said we wanted to bring him over and work out before the draft and see what he looked like. We thought it might help us decide what we are going to do in the draft.

“When you get past the point in the draft where you don’t feel like there is a starting guy there, then you just go on to other positions.”

SkinsFreak wrote:Brad, Meredith is already being discussed in this thread. Please keep all related discussion here. Thanks amigo...

brad7686 wrote:Jamon Meredith

2nd among all Offensive Linemen in the 40

t-4th among all Offensive Linemen in the bench

Projected to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick by every major scouting entity out there, and keep in mind, these guys work hand in hand with NFL teams.

Finished high in the broad jump, although I don't know if that means anything.

The Packers took him even though they took an OT equally as talented a round earlier, just because they couldn't believe he was still there. McShay praised them for getting him in the fifth and believes he could start there in a year or two.

HEROHAMO wrote:Why did we draft a tight end? Why did we not take at least the best tackle left on there talent board? Yes many of us question the moves.

PulpExposure wrote:

brad7686 wrote:Jamon Meredith

2nd among all Offensive Linemen in the 40

t-4th among all Offensive Linemen in the bench

Projected to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick by every major scouting entity out there, and keep in mind, these guys work hand in hand with NFL teams.

Finished high in the broad jump, although I don't know if that means anything.

The Packers took him even though they took an OT equally as talented a round earlier, just because they couldn't believe he was still there. McShay praised them for getting him in the fifth and believes he could start there in a year or two.

If the Packers really liked him, or thought that much of him, they would have gotten him with their earlier pick.


Again, it wasn't just the Redskins who passed on this guy.

EVERY NFL TEAM PASSED ON THIS GUY, multiple times, until he was picked in the 5th round.

brad7686 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

brad7686 wrote:Jamon Meredith

2nd among all Offensive Linemen in the 40

t-4th among all Offensive Linemen in the bench

Projected to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick by every major scouting entity out there, and keep in mind, these guys work hand in hand with NFL teams.

Finished high in the broad jump, although I don't know if that means anything.

The Packers took him even though they took an OT equally as talented a round earlier, just because they couldn't believe he was still there. McShay praised them for getting him in the fifth and believes he could start there in a year or two.

If the Packers really liked him, or thought that much of him, they would have gotten him with their earlier pick.


Again, it wasn't just the Redskins who passed on this guy.

EVERY NFL TEAM PASSED ON THIS GUY, multiple times, until he was picked in the 5th round.

Because the guy they took the round before was also a good OT. Apparently they were the only team even considering taking OT's. If he's a fifth round pick on your board instead of a 3rd, then why not take him in the fifth instead of Cody frickin Glenn

Deadskins wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

brad7686 wrote:Jamon Meredith

2nd among all Offensive Linemen in the 40

t-4th among all Offensive Linemen in the bench

Projected to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick by every major scouting entity out there, and keep in mind, these guys work hand in hand with NFL teams.

Finished high in the broad jump, although I don't know if that means anything.

The Packers took him even though they took an OT equally as talented a round earlier, just because they couldn't believe he was still there. McShay praised them for getting him in the fifth and believes he could start there in a year or two.

If the Packers really liked him, or thought that much of him, they would have gotten him with their earlier pick.


Again, it wasn't just the Redskins who passed on this guy.

EVERY NFL TEAM PASSED ON THIS GUY, multiple times, until he was picked in the 5th round.

Because the guy they took the round before was also a good OT. Apparently they were the only team even considering taking OT's. If he's a fifth round pick on your board instead of a 3rd, then why not take him in the fifth instead of Cody frickin Glenn

What are you gonna do if Cody frickin Glenn becomes a draft gem?

brad7686 wrote:He has about as much of a shot as Dallas Sartz. Everybody thought i was wrong to get on Vinny about him too. We could have Mason Crosby instead and be making field goals all over the place.

If you want to argue that the Skins should have taken Jamon Meredith or Duke Robinson or Fenuki Tupou instead of Cody Glenn in the fifth, fine. I'll concede that one. The rest of the league, however, didn't seem to think as much of them as Kiper, Mayock, and the rest of the draft "experts" did. We can compare over the years and see how they turn out just like we do with other players the Redskins could have had like LaRon Landry vs. Amobi Okoye or Fred Davis vs. Calais Campbell.

While you can get lucky every once in a while you aren't going to solve your problem areas for this year in the fifth round and later. If you want to debate Robert Henson vs. Tackle X or Eddie Williams vs. Tackle Y, be my guest. Again, time will tell.

The Redskins didn't lose their opportunity to take a tackle in this draft over the weekend. They lost it last August when they dealt their second-round pick for Jason Taylor and when their fourth-rounder went to the Jets for Pete Kendall two years ago. That limited their options both in terms of sheer numbers and in the opportunity to move up and down. A second-round pick such as Phil Loadholt of Oklahoma would have made the whole draft look a lot better.

But you can't draft the draft you wish was there you have to work with was actually is there. Time will tell how this one will turn out.