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Fios wrote:I hope -- I really, really hope -- he's picked well before the Redskins can get him.

I know it seems dumb when there's other needs, but quarterback is the exception to the rule. If there was a great running back, a great cornerback, a great defensive tackle that might be available obviously we'd be crazy to take them because we have so many other needs... but quarterback is different.

If the Redskins truly felt that Mark Sanchez was an elite QB in the making, a potential franchise player then they'd have to try and get him. We don't seem to have a long term answer at QB, and that's the one position in which ability correlates with team success. You may not be high on Sanchez (I'm not sure what to think myself) but if he's legit who cares what our needs are next season? Having a franchise QB is like having a chess queen in a game of checkers.

For the sake of argument say the Redskins take Sanchez. NFL experts and draftniks would call it crazy, they'd say it's a luxury pick and the Redskins failed to improve themselves for next season. They'd tout Sanchez's skills, but question the pick. Now in that situation if the Skins scouts are right, and that he's a star (wouldn't have too much competition to be the best Skins QB since Jurgensen honestly) then won't it have been a good pick? If Sanchez is a Pro-Bowler in two years and people are touting his ability and calling him great then who will care what our needs were in 2009?

Like I said, I'm not sold on Sanchez, I'm not sure what to think about his NFL future but if the Skins think they have a shot at a legit franchise QB then they need to get him. That's rare, and it can lead to BIG success for a team.

i cant wait till we have dirty sanchez so our starter and our back up are kids with no experience.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Sources say that the Redskins are enamored with Mark Sanchez, and if they really want him, they'll find a way to get him. If the stories are true we will get Mark Sanchez.

I really hope that is not true. If it is that means we are going to give up more draft picks. That is not good. Not good at all.

For the record, of course I recognize the value of a franchise quarterback. However in my admittedly amateur opinion, Sanchez is not that guy. Regardless of what you think about JC's long-term prospects (and I'm not sold on him by any means) the team would be much better served waiting for next years MUCH deeper QB class. Why go fishing in such a shallow pond? NOT addressing the offensive line or NOT taking the shot to add an impact player on the defensive side of the ball to grab Sanchez is foolish IMO.

Fios wrote:For the record, of course I recognize the value of a franchise quarterback. However in my admittedly amateur opinion, Sanchez is not that guy. Regardless of what you think about JC's long-term prospects (and I'm not sold on him by any means) the team would be much better served waiting for next years MUCH deeper QB class. Why go fishing in such a shallow pond? NOT addressing the offensive line or NOT taking the shot to add an impact player on the defensive side of the ball to grab Sanchez is foolish IMO.

Like I said, I don't know what to think about Sanchez... but if the Redskins really, truly think he's the guy and they've measured him against next year's class and their potential draft positions in 2010... and they STILL think Sanchez is their best chance for a franchise QB they'll take him and they should.

It's hard for me to hope one way or another what they do because if the scouts and coaches say he's a star I'll be excited about the future and understand the call. If we don't get him, then we'll be filling an important need too.

I think the only way we get him is if the Skins front office is convinced he's a franchise QB. If not, oh well, we'll be able to sign JC, grab a QB in free agency or draft one next season.

I am not enthralled with Campbell and never have been. However, I have watched Sanchez play at every USC home game this year and am less enthralled with Sanchez. He is not as good as Leinart and Leinart has not been very productive in his tenure in the NFL. Granted, as someone pointed out, Leinart has the problem of trying to replace a probable HoF player.

I would rather stick with Campbell and hope he does have a break-out year.

However, I think the hand-writing is on the wall for Campbel though. He is not the Redskins choice. If he does have a break-out year, I don't think he will stay with the Redskins because of all of the stuff that has gone on lately (the lack of talknig about a new contract, the Cutler thing, the try to trade him, even if that is just rumor).

Yeesh. If we draft Sanchez, regardless of this year's record, Zorn should be back next year. Or given 2 more years, because it'll take him that long to get Sanchez acclimatized to his system.

The worst thing we can do is draft Sanchez, then hire a new coach with a new system that may not fit him. We have a tendency to do that kind of thing around here...

What would the drafting of Sanchez say about Colt??
What would it say about Zorn?
We know what it says about Jason

I am required to point out here that this would hardly be the first thing LaCanfora was wrong about. I'm under the impression the team knows it can use him as an unwitting mouthpiece for misinformation, so there's some reason to hope this is purely posturing on the part of the FO to inflate the value of the 13th pick.

First of all, I agree that in order to pick up Sanchez, we are passing up on a potential franchise OLB or pass-rushing DE. More importantly, Mark Sanchez will absolutely be taken before our Skins have a shot at him. Aside from the handful of teams picking ahead of us in the first round who will be interested (Lions, Rams, Jags, Niners, Broncos), there are also a few teams who will make serious attempts at trading into the top-ten picks to snag him. The Jaguars are the favorite right now for trading out of their pick at no. 8, which makes them a juicy target for teams who wish to swoop in and draft Sanchez. Even MEL KIPER JR., who is the only analyst sending Sanchez to the Skins at 13, expressed serious doubt on a podcast on ESPN Wednesday morning. He agreed with Todd McShay (I know, right?) that it is very unlikely that Sanchez will last through the top-ten, expecially with the possibility of teams trading up to get him. Personally, I think this is a blessing in disguise. As many of you have discussed, we are better off giving Jason another full season, and if that fails, our options at QB in next years draft are far superior. Thoughts???

There is no way in hell Sanchez is still there at 13. No way.

If the Redskins are indeed interested in Sanchez, they will have to trade some picks to get him.

Another posibility would be including Campbell in the deal.

Still, even the posibility of the FO being interested in Sanchez says a lot about their relation current with Campbell.

[quote="As many of you have discussed, we are better off giving Jason another full season, and if that fails, our options at QB in next years draft are far superior. Thoughts??? [/quote]

Next year's QB draft options not as good as this year. Prevailing wisdom is that if Sanchez had stayed another year, he would have projected as the top pick in the draft. So he's a good value at 13. Trading away picks to move up for him would obviously eliminate some of that value. (not to mention trading away Campbell who we also moved up to get).

Maybe we see a draft day trade of Campbell for a 2nd or 3rd rd pick that they would combine with our first to move up. My best guess would be Tampa who needs a QB and has Doug Williams evaluating talent for them.

Anyway, if we're dead set on starting over at QB, Sanchez is a great prospect. It's just that he will be playing behind the same O-line (one year older), and he will likely be tossed aside in 3 years after spending most of his time getting sacked and learning new offenses every year. Somewhere we've seen this movie before.

Sanchez is possibly better than Bradford, McCoy, etc. but more than likely a talented junior or maybe even senior qb will have a huge year next year, have NFL ability, and be a high pick. It usually happens. Where was Mark Sanchez predicted to be picked last year? If I recall, it wasn't even guaranteed he would start. Although, I could be wrong.

Does anyone know if there is any truth to this?

http://www.marksanchezonline.org/

SkinsFreak wrote:
I actually believe the primary reason Sanchez decided to declare this year was directly attributed to the fact that this is a weaker QB class. I'm sure Sanchez's agent told him if he came out this year, he'd have a far better chance of getting drafted much higher with the ability to make more money. If Sanchez waited to come out next year, there's a chance he doesn't even go in the 1st round. This year he's the 2nd rated QB in the draft. Next year he might only be the 4th or 5th best.

I Like your reasoning SkinsFreak.

Fios wrote:I am required to point out here that this would hardly be the first thing LaCanfora was wrong about. I'm under the impression the team knows it can use him as an unwitting mouthpiece for misinformation, so there's some reason to hope this is purely posturing on the part of the FO to inflate the value of the 13th pick.

Thank you.

I mean really, if the Skins were seriously interested in drafting Sanchez, does anyone really think Snyder and Cerrato would pick up the phone, call La Confora and tell him about it? I seriously doubt that.

Further, prior to the draft, draft rooms, draft boards and draft strategies are highly, highly secretive. The only "leaks" to the media are done intentionally for the purpose of misdirection or for the inflation of a perceived value of a draft pick. Charley Casserly has spoken about this numerous times recently on The Path To The Draft series on the NFLN.

SkinsFreak wrote:

Fios wrote:I am required to point out here that this would hardly be the first thing LaCanfora was wrong about. I'm under the impression the team knows it can use him as an unwitting mouthpiece for misinformation, so there's some reason to hope this is purely posturing on the part of the FO to inflate the value of the 13th pick.

Thank you.

I mean really, if the Skins were seriously interested in drafting Sanchez, does anyone really think Snyder and Cerrato would pick up the phone, call La Confora and tell him about it? I seriously doubt that.

Further, prior to the draft, draft rooms, draft boards and draft strategies are highly, highly secretive. The only "leaks" to the media are done intentionally for the purpose of misdirection or for the inflation of a perceived value of a draft pick. Charley Casserly has spoken about this numerous times recently on The Path To The Draft series on the NFLN.

Yes, that's how normal teams do it. Us, not so much. Remember when it was leaked beforehand that we were going to draft Jason Campbell with the 25th overall pick, and then we did exactly that?

funbuncher wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

Fios wrote:I am required to point out here that this would hardly be the first thing LaCanfora was wrong about. I'm under the impression the team knows it can use him as an unwitting mouthpiece for misinformation, so there's some reason to hope this is purely posturing on the part of the FO to inflate the value of the 13th pick.

Thank you.

I mean really, if the Skins were seriously interested in drafting Sanchez, does anyone really think Snyder and Cerrato would pick up the phone, call La Confora and tell him about it? I seriously doubt that.

Further, prior to the draft, draft rooms, draft boards and draft strategies are highly, highly secretive. The only "leaks" to the media are done intentionally for the purpose of misdirection or for the inflation of a perceived value of a draft pick. Charley Casserly has spoken about this numerous times recently on The Path To The Draft series on the NFLN.

Yes, that's how normal teams do it. Us, not so much. Remember when it was leaked beforehand that we were going to draft Jason Campbell with the 25th overall pick, and then we did exactly that?

touche

Manchester_Redskin wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:
I actually believe the primary reason Sanchez decided to declare this year was directly attributed to the fact that this is a weaker QB class. I'm sure Sanchez's agent told him if he came out this year, he'd have a far better chance of getting drafted much higher with the ability to make more money. If Sanchez waited to come out next year, there's a chance he doesn't even go in the 1st round. This year he's the 2nd rated QB in the draft. Next year he might only be the 4th or 5th best.

I Like your reasoning SkinsFreak.

No offense SkinsFreak, but your evaluation of next year's QB class is the exact OPPOSITE of everything I've heard. The top prospect is Sam Bradford (who would rank behind Sanchez if he was in this draft). Scouts are very unimpressed with McCoy and Tebow as well, calling them both mid-round picks, and even saying that Tebow will have to switch to H-back if he want to play in the NFL.

I'm not saying I have a clue that these guys are right, I'm just saying that is the "current" prevailing wisdom. If it's true, then the logic of getting Sanchez this year makes more sense. Like I mentioned before (I think in this thread), I've heard multiple opinions say that Sanchez would have projected as the top OVERALL pick in next years draft.

funbuncher wrote:Yes, that's how normal teams do it. Us, not so much. Remember when it was leaked beforehand that we were going to draft Jason Campbell with the 25th overall pick, and then we did exactly that?

No, I don't remember that, because we didn't get that 25th pick until draft day.

The Skins made that trade to move up to the 25th pick overall on draft day, not beforehand. Now, I do remember reports that Gibbs and co. had gone to Auburn prior to the draft, but they drafted Rogers with their 1st pick that year. Some speculated before the draft that perhaps they were looking at JC, but most thought the team was targeting Mike Williams with their 1st pick, not Carlos Rogers. But they traded up on draft day to get JC with what turned out to be their 2nd first round pick.

Nevertheless, leaks for the purpose of misdirection happen all the time and are intentional. If Sanchez IS the target, I just find it hard to believe the Skins would leak that information out prior to the draft and give to La Confora, of all people. I'll say it now, I highly... highly doubt the team will draft Sanchez. Nothing against Sanchez, but based solely on the teams needs, QB isn't one of them right now and drafting Sanchez would be a huge mistake. Even if the team feels they'll need a new QB for the future, failing to get the QB, any QB, some blocking and protection first would be a mistake.

funbuncher wrote:

Manchester_Redskin wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:
I actually believe the primary reason Sanchez decided to declare this year was directly attributed to the fact that this is a weaker QB class. I'm sure Sanchez's agent told him if he came out this year, he'd have a far better chance of getting drafted much higher with the ability to make more money. If Sanchez waited to come out next year, there's a chance he doesn't even go in the 1st round. This year he's the 2nd rated QB in the draft. Next year he might only be the 4th or 5th best.

I Like your reasoning SkinsFreak.

No offense SkinsFreak, but your evaluation of next year's QB class is the exact OPPOSITE of everything I've heard. The top prospect is Sam Bradford (who would rank behind Sanchez if he was in this draft). Scouts are very unimpressed with McCoy and Tebow as well, calling them both mid-round picks, and even saying that Tebow will have to switch to H-back if he want to play in the NFL.

I'm not saying I have a clue that these guys are right, I'm just saying that is the "current" prevailing wisdom. If it's true, then the logic of getting Sanchez this year makes more sense. Like I mentioned before (I think in this thread), I've heard multiple opinions say that Sanchez would have projected as the top OVERALL pick in next years draft.

Well... opinions vary. But I took that from a discussion on the NFLN, to which I agree with. Could Sanchez be the #1 guy next year? Sure. Could it end up being someone else? Sure. Wouldn't it also depend largely on how each fairs next year? It's pure speculation, my friend.

But I sure would like to see the report that says this years QB class is better than next years QB class.

I didn't say this years QB class was good. It's considered below average to bad after the top 2 or 3. My point was about Sanchez only.

And I'm almost positive we did acquire the 25th pick for Campbell a few days before the draft. Don't make me go back and re-read the Pasta-Belly articles proclaiming how stupid we were to telegraph our moves to the rest of the league.

funbuncher wrote:I didn't say this years QB class was good. It's considered below average to bad after the top 2 or 3. My point was about Sanchez only.

And I'm almost positive we did acquire the 25th pick for Campbell a few days before the draft. Don't make me go back and re-read the Pasta-Belly articles proclaiming how stupid we were to telegraph our moves to the rest of the league.

I looked it up, and you were right... my bad.

Redskins targeting Auburn's Campbell

Pasquarelli By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

Just three years after investing a first-round choice on quarterback Patrick Ramsey, the Washington Redskins are plotting to acquire the possible replacement for the man who currently holds the top spot on their depth chart.

Washington, already slated to pick ninth overall, added a second selection in the first round of the 2005 draft on Tuesday night, acquiring the 25th pick overall from the Denver Broncos. The prospect Washington brass is eyeing at No. 25? Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell.

funbuncher wrote:

Manchester_Redskin wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:
I actually believe the primary reason Sanchez decided to declare this year was directly attributed to the fact that this is a weaker QB class. I'm sure Sanchez's agent told him if he came out this year, he'd have a far better chance of getting drafted much higher with the ability to make more money. If Sanchez waited to come out next year, there's a chance he doesn't even go in the 1st round. This year he's the 2nd rated QB in the draft. Next year he might only be the 4th or 5th best.

I Like your reasoning SkinsFreak.

No offense SkinsFreak, but your evaluation of next year's QB class is the exact OPPOSITE of everything I've heard. The top prospect is Sam Bradford (who would rank behind Sanchez if he was in this draft). Scouts are very unimpressed with McCoy and Tebow as well, calling them both mid-round picks, and even saying that Tebow will have to switch to H-back if he want to play in the NFL.

I'm not saying I have a clue that these guys are right, I'm just saying that is the "current" prevailing wisdom. If it's true, then the logic of getting Sanchez this year makes more sense. Like I mentioned before (I think in this thread), I've heard multiple opinions say that Sanchez would have projected as the top OVERALL pick in next years draft.

I think that next year's draft class, if players pan out the way they are being projected to, will be a deeper draft class than this year's. However, I don't think that there is any significant difference between the top of this year's class (Stafford and Sanchez) and next year's (Bradford and McCoy). I'm not even including Tebow in this because no team that needs a qb is going to draft him. A team that has a solid qb may draft him and try to develop him, but nobody that is looking for a starter in the first or second round is going to take him. There are simply too many questions about his ability to play qb in NFL.

Comparing the top qb's, I think that Bradford is the only lock to go in the first next year. McCoy has the intangibles to be a good NFL qb, but he doesn't have a particularly strong arm and I wonder if he will be able to make all of the throws that an NFL qb has to make. He could go in the first but I could also see him slipping.

Another interesting thing to compare between the two classes is the systems that the qb's are coming out of. McCoy and Bradford (and even Tebow) play in the spread at Texas and Oklahoma. Sanchez and Stafford, on the other hand, both play in pro-style offenses. Will that help their transition to the NFL? Maybe, maybe not. However, Sanchez plays in one of the most complex college offenses so I think that will give him an advantage in terms of adapting to the NFL, despite him not having as much game experience as some of the other qb's.