Mark Sanchez to make a visit

El Mexican · Post by **El Mexican** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:11 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:If the Redskins really thought that Mark Sanchez was an elite QB and Jason Campbell was not they'd be stupid NOT to bring him in.

It's easy to talk about pressing needs now but in a year if Jason Campbell is playing somewhere else, Colt Brennan is starting and Sanchez looks like a future stud people would be KILLING the Redskins for not grabbing Sanchez when they had the chance.

It's never "stupid" to get a great player. Whether or not Sanchez is that guy (probably not) is up for debate, but if they were to draft Sanchez and he were to have a great career in Washington who cares what anyone would think about it this April?

Spot on, SF55.

This is a very similar situation the Redskins faced when drafting Campbell in 2005 with the 25th overall pick, under Joe Gibbs.

As you all remember, Pat Ramsey had just been drafted under Steve Spurrier in the first round of 2002, with pick number 32.

So for one season, the QBs on roster consisted of Mark Brunell, Ramsey and Campbell, with Brunell named as the starter.

Similarities: change of coaching regime, veteran QB as clear starter and the opportunity of drafting another posible franchise QB.

Sorry, Colt does not come under this "frachise" QB category, so even if he was drafted under Zorn, I am not making him part of the equation.

And remeber, as Vinny once famously said: this team does not draft for need, it tries to get the best available player on their "draft board".

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:47 pm

My bet is that the FO and the coach both think that Campbell is going to be a good QB and right now I just don't see them taking a QB at the #13 spot when they have other needs :roll:

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:05 am

I am a Jason Campbell fan, but if the team thinks that Sanchez will be a better QB than JC or CB, then they should draft him.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:19 am

JansenFan wrote:I am a Jason Campbell fan, but if the team thinks that Sanchez will be a better QB than JC or CB, then they should draft him.

good point and speaking for myself I think that if the FO or the coach are at all hesitant about Campbell they should consider taking Sanchez or anyone they think might be a decent QB :lol:

As someone that thinks Campbell is not going to be as good a QB that Gibbs, Zorn or our FO thinks he is - I'm all for looking to the future

Not only do I think that they (Zorn and the FO) think Campbell's going to be a decent QB they also have a few more pressing needs and the QB situation will not need too much focus here for the next few months. I think that they feel that Campbell, Brennan and Collins will be fine for this coming season and that depending on how good Campbell does this year will depend on the extent of the urgency for finding our next QB.

I think we will see Campbell get most of the attention this next few months and Brennan will be given a lot of support also - Collins is just insurance and I think will clearly be the #3 QB this season. I look for more opportunities for Brennan this next 4-5 months.

I hope that Campbell is as good as some think he is but I just have not seen him be the type of player and leader he needs to be to be a great QB.

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:52 am

I agree, but I also think that the one thing that all the consistently good team's have in common is a franchise quarterback. If they think that Sanchez is the guy, then they should snatch him up. If we fill our biggest need and then our offense averages 8 points per game, we have a more complete team sitting at 8-8 and watching the play-offs again.

I don't think Sanchez is that guy, but I hope that the Redskins will try to run their organization with an eye on building a perennial contender, not just a fill one need and hope for the best team, like we have been for years.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:55 pm

To your point Scott - I just wish they would make a plan to build rather than just keep addressing needs per se as if we are close.

The key for the offense is the QB - you need to identify the long term guy and get him in place (or on the team) and then both bring him along and also assemble the parts around him - not all these guys will be great but it really helps if you have a great QB. I think the coach and FO think that guy is Campbell - I am for getting a Sanchez or anyone and building for the future because I do not think that Campbell is 'special'.

I thiink that adding Haynesworth was good (although I am very concerned about his health) and the Hall signing was a no-brainer - again you have to have all the pieces and you definetly need to build around the defensive philosophy of whoever is the defensive coach. Getting Taylor and Archuletta and then not using them properly is really on the coaches not the players.

Blache (like Williams before him) uses a lot of player rotation with the defensive line - so you do not need a few stars on the line you really need a very deep, defensive line made up of a lot of very good players because with this system it's more about having fresh good players rather than having star players in there trying to still be effective in the 4th quarter.

We have always seemed to just try and add the player of the moment rather than make a plan and stick to it.

SkinsSince96 · Post by **SkinsSince96** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:50 am

I think that Mark Sanchez is the best QB in this draft. I believe he will be the Lions 1st overall pick unless they decide to take Jason Smith. At the sametime this is a weak QB class compared to other years.

The Skins main needs are at OT, DE, and OLB. If a player falls to us like Michael Oher or Everette Brown it would be hard for the Skins to pass imo. I dont take this Sanchez workout as anything other than a smokescreen to possibly trade down if somehow he is still on the board at 13.

I have only seen flashes of potenial from Jason Campbell. Colt Brennan is really a unknown with promise. If the Skins drafted Sanchez I wouldnt be upset but I think we should give Campbell one more chance to see if he can step it up in a contract year.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:27 am

SkinsSince96 wrote:I think that Mark Sanchez is the best QB in this draft. I believe he will be the Lions 1st overall pick unless they decide to take Jason Smith. At the sametime this is a weak QB class compared to other years.

The Skins main needs are at OT, DE, and OLB. If a player falls to us like Michael Oher or Everette Brown it would be hard for the Skins to pass imo. I dont take this Sanchez workout as anything other than a smokescreen to possibly trade down if somehow he is still on the board at 13.

I have only seen flashes of potenial from Jason Campbell. Colt Brennan is really a unknown with promise. If the Skins drafted Sanchez I wouldnt be upset but I think we should give Campbell one more chance to see if he can step it up in a contract year.

Welcome to the site, SkinsSince96!

Cooter · Post by **Cooter** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:47 am

SkinsSince96 wrote:I think that Mark Sanchez is the best QB in this draft. I believe he will be the Lions 1st overall pick unless they decide to take Jason Smith. At the sametime this is a weak QB class compared to other years.

I'd take Stafford (more experience) over Sanchez, but like you said this is a very weak QB draft. Welcome to THN!

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:15 am

JansenFan wrote:I agree, but I also think that the one thing that all the consistently good team's have in common is a franchise quarterback.

Another thing that the consistently good teams do is they do not draft a QB in the first round every 3 years

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JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:05 pm

The really good teams draft WR's every year in the first round. Right Detroit?

In any case, I'm not really advocating we draft Sanchez. I just want, as Jock said, for the team to put together a plan and stick to it. I also want them to draft people that can help us. If they think Sanchez is the guy (or anyone else, for that matter) and they don't think Campbell is the answer, then they should absolutely not refrain from drafting him just because it would look like they were drafting another QB int he first round every three years.

I would rather draft a new QB every three years and then hit on a Peyton Manning then draft one every 10 years and have decades where mediocre QB play keeps us mediocre.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:15 pm

SkinsJock wrote: I am for getting a Sanchez.

My 'Beevis and Butthead' moment of the day.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:00 pm

JansenFan wrote:The really good teams draft WR's every year in the first round. Right Detroit?

In any case, I'm not really advocating we draft Sanchez. I just want, as Jock said, for the team to put together a plan and stick to it. I also want them to draft people that can help us. If they think Sanchez is the guy (or anyone else, for that matter) and they don't think Campbell is the answer, then they should absolutely not refrain from drafting him just because it would look like they were drafting another QB int he first round every three years.

I would rather draft a new QB every three years and then hit on a Peyton Manning then draft one every 10 years and have decades where mediocre QB play keeps us mediocre.

Oh, I agree. I'm just saying that repeatedly drafting QBs high isn't generally a recipe for success. It's a sign that you either stink as talent evaluators for QBs, or that you draft guys who don't end up fitting your system.

Or in Ramsey's case, you draft guys who become punching bags because your coach decides that it's not necessary to block the inside blitz...

I will leave SkinsJock's statement (as quoted by TC) alone. It's just too easy...

SkinsSince96 · Post by **SkinsSince96** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:36 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:Welcome to the site, SkinsSince96!

Thanks dude. This site looks great. HTTR

Cooter wrote:I'd take Stafford (more experience) over Sanchez, but like you said this is a very weak QB draft. Welcome to THN!

Stafford imo has more potenial when compared to Sanchez. At the sametime Stafford makes alot of bad throws. Every Georgia game I watched he held them back to a extent. After looking at alot of tape on Sanchez from last year he has made alot of improvement in his game. The safe pick is Sanchez but Stafford has the ability if he can take his game to the next level to be a franchise QB.

I really believe Sanchez has his head on right for a QB who doesnt have as much experience as others like Stafford. Thats another reason I like Sanchez more. Stafford had Moreno, Massauqoi, and a stud in AJ Green plus alot of other talent around him last year and he still looked lost at times. Like I said before though this is a weak QB class and both of these QBs would be mid/late 1st Rd prospects in other years at best.

Thanks for the warm welcome and HTTR

markshark84 · Post by **markshark84** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:19 pm

Personally, it will ultimately depend on who is available at 13. I would not trade up for Sanchez (besides, we really don't have much to give), but if all the quality OTs are taken (which some mock drafts have), I wouldn't be surprised to see us take Sanchez.

My opinion is mainly formulated based on the "what if" factor for JC. If JC doesn't perform well next year, where are we? Are we going to start Collins or Colt? That would not be the best path to take at this juncture. And if JC does perform well, then there is the possiblity of trading Sanchez next year or keeping him as a solid #2. If Sanchez does not play, his value will not have substantially decreased and we could get a low first or second rounder for him (this also depends on the QBs in next years draft, which may be a good amount -- so he may not be as valuable).

If all the OTs are taken and there are no quality LBs or DLs (or that they are a reach at 13), I don't see the problem in taking him. But in my eyes, to warrant drafting Sanchez, a ton of players we want will have to be off the board. I don't see it happening, but I wouldn't be too upset if we took him and he was the best player available at 13.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:33 am

tcwest10 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote: I am for getting a Sanchez.

My 'Beevis and Butthead' moment of the day.

when taken out of context like that, it does look a little stupid, doesn't it :oops:

I really do not want Sanchez per se - I just think we do not have the type of QB we need for the future in Campbell - he's good but he's not good enough.

The point is that I do think that Zorn and the FO are going to give him another shot here and are not convinced that he might not be better than just a good QB. :wink:

That being said I think that he will be fine given that it is going to take a little time to get this team back to being consistently good and playing with the type of quality depth especially along both lines and at the other key positions that so many other teams have.

I just want us to continue to build this team and a key part of that is to find a great QB - I am certainly not sure that a Sanchez or anyone else is that QB but I am also not sure that Campbell is that QB either - he just does not seem to have it.

but thanks for the moment tcw :wink:

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:41 am

PulpExposure wrote:... It's a sign that you either stink as talent evaluators ....... or that you draft guys who don't end up fitting your system.

and that my friend is a big part of our problem - maybe it is getting better but finding players at all positions that fit and make the others around them better has been a big bugaboo here and that is going to take some time to get over :wink:

and thanks for 'sparing' me :lol: